Rumored Canon EOS M7 camera specifications, and the end of the line for EOS M? [CR1]

[Baron_Karza]

BIG reason for wanting to keep small M, LOL!

 

[toodamnice]

talent ≠ gear
gear ≠ talent
talent > gear
talent + gear > talent

I am hoping my R5 will make it look like I have more talent lol! With awesome DR, IBIS and killer AF my R5 will give me more keepers than my 2 6Ds do.

I joke... I know gear doesn't make up for talent, but honestly the R5 (and R6) will make better photographers of us all!

I need for my R5 to ship...

 

[jam05]

Another year, another try at the "End the M line" worthless rumor. M50 and M6mk II selling as soon as they become available and on every top 10 list. Anyway, my EOS R5 Smallrig cage and L bracket arrived today. SWEET!!. Can't wait to start adding stuff.

 

[privatebydesign]

I am hoping my R5 will make it look like I have more talent lol! With awesome DR, IBIS and killer AF my R5 will give me more keepers than my 2 6Ds do.

I joke... I know gear doesn't make up for talent, but honestly the R5 (and R6) will make better photographers of us all!

I need for my R5 to ship...

I agree, add to either metric of the sum and the result gets better. In particular AF is becoming a game changer in acquisition, tracking and scene coverage. More in focus shots mean more keepers!

 

[Sibir Lupus]

About a week before my honeymoon (2013) the M+22mm kit dropped from €800 to €250 and the firmware with the improved AF had been released. I'm really glad that I bought it, the M+22mm was so much easier to bring along everywhere compared to the 7D + 24-105.

I bought a new EOS M with 18-55mm lens bundle on Amazon (overseas bundle) for $318 in October of 2013, replacing my heavily used Powershot G9. I then nabbed the EF-M 22mm lens for $99 at around that same time. It was light-years ahead of my G9, and was my first ILC. I still remember going to events where everyone else taking photos was using a DSLR, and here I was getting great, high quality shots from something I could almost fit into a large pants pocket .

 

[SteveC]

I still remember going to events where everyone else taking photos was using a DSLR, and here I was getting great, high quality shots from something I could almost fit into a large pants pocket .

This can't be true, because everyone knows the M series sucks so badly it should just be discontinued.

(Yes, sarcasm).

 

[highdesertmesa]

Too complex for me, here’s the DPR thread and both the article link and Olympus links are in there...

Earth’s Rotation Limits IBIS to 6.3 Stops: Micro Four Thirds Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Expert news, reviews and videos of the latest digital cameras, lenses, accessories, and phones. Get answers to your questions in our photography forums.

www.dpreview.com

I get the theoretical limit on stops, but I’m saying there are other improvements they can make to IBIS besides extending the exposure time. One example would be compensating for more dramatic movement of the camera than they can now — filming video from inside a moving vehicle on a rough road, etc.

 

[analoggrotto]

Much like M43, the EOS M line sells very well, and yet, pundits keep wishing it away for some reason. Canon never intended M to be a professional system. That seems to bother people.

And no, you can't put an M lens on an RF body, but you could never put an EF-S lens on an EF body either. Sure, you could put EF lenses on EF-S bodies, but that was only rarely useful. And you can still put EF or EF-S on M or RF.

There are obvious advantages to specializing each system. The RF with it's huge majestic lenses, and M on the smaller end. As a compromise, and RF to M speed booster would be nice.

 

[Michael Clark]

I find it odd that a decision to kill the EF-M mount would escape from Canon HQ and make it to a rumor site. And things like "cheap" EVF and overheating 1080p? Sounds more like something cooked up by Sony fanboys than a credible rumor. As long as they make money from it and don't need to do more R&D than this, they will probably keep EF-M.

that said, it does make sense to add an APS-C RF model at some point to be able to offer a lower cost model.

Any APS-C RF mount camera will not be a lower cost model. Canon seems firmly committed to making entry level into the RF system a FF model that can compete on price with others' entry level APS-C models. Any APS-C model in the RF line will be an advanced specialist model like the 7D Mark II or 90D, not like a Rebel.

 

[Michael Clark]

Well, yes, of course. But it follows that if they don't do as you suggest then it might not be worth their while.



Speak for yourself. I would be fine either way. What market research of 7D users have you conducted? I would bet Canon has.



Okay. So you what to use EF lenses with your APS-C body. You can do that just as easily with an M mount as with an RF mount. And, you would prefer the R5, but don't want to pay that much for a body. Yet you are talking about big white EF lenses and new RF mount lenses. The big whites already cost more than the R5 and have you taken a look at the prices of RF lenses?

On a limited budget, the less one must pay for a body that does what one needs, the more one has left to spend on lenses.

 

[Michael Clark]

I am wondering how many people that wants to kill the M line and want a APS-C RF mount camera have ever used a M camera???

Probably about the same number as those who have never used a 7-series camera and keep telling 7-series users why the R6, R5, or M7 will work just as well for them as an R7 would...

 

[Michael Clark]

The M Series creates to good of a cash flow for Canon in my opinion for them to just kill it off, especially as soon as next year (2021)....
Canon's actions and what we see with our own eyes can be used as a guide; it looks like they are killing off certain lines of DSLR's such as the 5D's, 7D's, quite possibly the 6D's. It also looks like the 90D may be the last of the **D series. We may actually be seeing the 1DXiii being the last of it's line.
We don't hear much of the Rebel Series being spoke about....
We do hear a few new lenses and camera's soon to be released for the M Series and right out of Canon's mouth they have said the RF mount is their main focus.
Looks to me they are phasing out the middle ground and will in a few years just have the budget friendly M Mount or the outrageously expensive RF Mount to choose from.

Cheaper non-L RF lenses are coming. Some are already on the market.

 

[Czardoom]

It is a line for consumers. Not pros. Why does that seem to aggrevate folks? Canon did no better with the EF-S lineup.

It only aggravates elitist snobs, which, unfortunately, are on forums in abundance.

 

[Stu_bert]

I get the theoretical limit on stops, but I’m saying there are other improvements they can make to IBIS besides extending the exposure time. One example would be compensating for more dramatic movement of the camera than they can now — filming video from inside a moving vehicle on a rough road, etc.

Ok I see now what you are suggesting but I don’t think that sort of complex image stabilisation will not go inside a camera for now. Complex car rigs are employed to achieve that sort of movement, no? Funny enough I got to see one being filmed in Alabama Hills, Sierra Nevada, California many years ago.

IBIS and IS are for small movements caused by hand holding, are they not?

Canon could consider the edge cases around super resolution or perhaps aligning stacked shots in low light, but I think IBIS / IS might have another 1 / 1.5 stops before it gets complex and costly. I agree CIPA IBIS is like their battery tests, not reflected necessarily in real world tests. I guess Canon will refine what is already a great first version and no doubt there will be a race to achieve 10 stops CIPA IBIS which translates to 6 in the real world!

 

[brad-man]

It only aggravates elitist snobs, which, unfortunately, are on forums in abundance.

I would very much like a fast wide prime such as an EF-M 16 f/1.8 and I sir, am no elitist snob. Bye the bye, do you have any Grey Poupon?

 

[Baron_Karza]

I would very much like a fast wide prime such as an EF-M 16 f/1.8 and I sir, am no elitist snob. Bye the bye, do you have any Grey Poupon?

I'll need to ask my assistant to ask my Butler, but they are both in the west wing and I'm in the west wing relaxing in my sauna and enjoying my massage. Now hit post (no I was asking you to hit post, not type that part out...gimme!!)

 

[Michael Clark]

Nice little list? Maybe.... The 15-45 is ok but weak, the 55-200 is mediocre, the 18-150 just ok for the price, all full plastic-fantastic.

You're comparing EF-M lenses to the kinds of lenses basement dwelling forum warriors who have never actually seen them salivate over. That's not how the vast majority of buyers of EOS M cameras are comparing them. They're comparing them to similarly sized lenses from Fuji and Sony, and they're comparing them on price.

 

[Michael Clark]

Shove a 32MP APS-C sensor in a R body with a good set of the stills features from the R5/6 and then what was the point of the r6? Unless you price it more than the r6, but then would the high end 7d ii users go for it?

Shove the same sensor in a r body with the 90d feature set and perhaps R style Af, then you might convince 90d users to migrate. Canon already have stats from the 90d vs the m6 ii, and it would be interesting to know that split, but for ergonomics and market size, I would guess the existing m users chose a better m and DSLR chose the 90d and not many people changed camps. Love to know if any 7d ii users went with the 90d. Not many...

Historically, the advanced APS-C 7D (2009) and 7D Mark II (2014), which are superior in every way except sensor size, have sold for less than the entry level FF 6D (2012) and 6D Mark II (2017).

An APS-C R7 would almost certainly sell for less than a FF R6.

 

[Michael Clark]

Already own 2 big white lenses which I bought second hand the EF400 f/5.6 and the EF300 f/2.8 non is and i really dislike the ergonomics of dinky little M mount cameras so if Canon wants me (And all the 7D ii owners)to buy a new body they need to offer something we want like an RF aps-c with say a downsized 17mp version of the R5 sensor

If I could afford it I’d buy the R5 which is the best wildlife camera ever made but second best for me is a aps-c R7 with a downsized 17mp R5 sensor to give more reach (like the R5 has in crop mode) but a bit more affordable

Wouldn't the 32MP APS-C sensor from the 90D/M6 Mark II or a 32MP or so downsized version of the upcoming 80MP or so FF 5Ds be even better and give even more reach? 17MP is not even the same pixel density as the 7D Mark II.

 

[Michael Clark]

So . EOS M replacemant RF-S with utrawide could be possible.

How are RF-S pancake lens with elements backwards "into mount" excluded? Canon has mentioned before, that it is willing to put elements "backwards, into mount".

EOS M and the market is is aimed at is not about large aperture, ultra-wide angle lenses in any way, shape, or form. There's no need for that type of lens in the market to which they're aiming and selling the EOS M. Thus, no need for a larger throat diameter that makes it more difficult to make the bodies and lenses as compact as possible, which is one of the primary features of the entire system!