Canon officially announces the Canon EOS R6 Mark II, Canon RF 135mm f/1.8L IS USM and Canon Speedlite EL-5

[scyrene]

That was, most fortunately, too short a time for much to happen. The price gouging in the UK has been going on since Brexit. Now, if more people in the UK shot Canon then perhaps we would renegotiate.

You need to buy more of their products! ;p

 

[definedphotography]

Well, there has to be an R5 MK II next year, right? Because the fact that it doesn't have a hotshoe is becoming a huge problem

Pretty sure my R5 has a hotshoe. Not sure what I've been attaching my strobe trigger to otherwise.
I'm guessing there will be an R5 II announced around this time next year - release early 2024.

The R6 II looks like a nice replacement for my 5D mkIV. The R6 just didn't quite cut it.

 

[neuroanatomist]

It being 1/16000 makes this a potential upgrade for me

It's nice, but for me not that meaningful (not that I'm in the market for an R6II). One stop over the standard 1/8000 doesn't make a big difference for me, but the 1/64000 s on the R3 is meaningful because it now I don't need to use the 3-stop ND on f/1.2-1/4 lenses for outdoor portraits.

 

[scyrene]

Thanks. It would be interested to see how the results compare to Topaz Gigapixel and similar post process editors.

Is there an echo in here?

 

[entoman]

Is there an echo in here?

Yes I think so... so... so... so... so...

 

[danfaz]

I have to say, I'm rather impressed that this 24 MP non-stacked sensor has a read-out speed fast enough to support 40 FPS. I'm clearly no expert, but I really thought a stacked sensor would have been needed to achieve this rate at this resolution.

And some complainers say the R6II is nothing but firmware updates. SMH

 

[dlee13]

135mm in the UK is £2167 before VAT.

That's $2490 US. So Canon have added $390 (£340) additional Canon Tax for the SAME lens. That's a whopping +15% Canon Tax in the UK.

No thanks. Other camera companies simply don't do this - Fuji for example.

You can’t use US price as the base though, the lenses aren’t even manufactured in the US and they are making a way bigger profit than that. For example the 135GM from Sony is $2098 USD and the Canon RF 135 is $2099 USD. Now in Australia, the 135GM goes for as cheap as $2300 AUD but the Canon is selling at $3969. Both of these include 10% GST so either Sony is committing so very major tax fraud (unlikely) or Canon is pricing their stuff very fairly in the US and really milking everyone outside the US for all they have!

 

[entoman]

You can’t use US price as the base though, the lenses aren’t even manufactured in the US and they are making a way bigger profit than that. For example the 135GM from Sony is $2098 USD and the Canon RF 135 is $2099 USD. Now in Australia, the 135GM goes for as cheap as $2300 AUD but the Canon is selling at $3969. Both of these include 10% GST so either Sony is committing so very major tax fraud (unlikely) or Canon is pricing their stuff very fairly in the US and really milking everyone outside the US for all they have!

Maybe you should consider that the US is the biggest market. In countries such as UK (where I live) distributors and dealers simply don't have the bulk purchasing power available in the US market. Consequently I usually purchase grey market from HK, although I make exceptions where savings are minimal (such as my RF 100-400mm just purchased in the UK).

 

[reef58]

Maybe you should consider that the US is the biggest market. In countries such as UK (where I live) distributors and dealers simply don't have the bulk purchasing power available in the US market. Consequently I usually purchase grey market from HK, although I make exceptions where savings are minimal (such as my RF 100-400mm just purchased in the UK).

The USD is at a very high level right now compared to the Yen.

 

[drisley]

5 year warranty... has IS and is not made by a Chinese lens cloner. Yep DOA for sure.

I shot as a pro for Canon for 15 years and the RF prices make these lenses untouchable for me. I'd get the Sigma instead! 1/3 the price, 7 year warranty vs only 1 year for Canon lenses in Canada.

 

[Bonich]

And VAT is about 20% in Europe.
Free (almost...) healthcare in Europe has a price.
I'd rather pay more for a new camera every few years...

Healthcare is not paid by tax, we have to pay into a different system (from Germany)

 

[entoman]

I shot as a pro for Canon for 15 years and the RF prices make these lenses untouchable for me. I'd get the Sigma instead! 1/3 the price, 7 year warranty vs only 1 year for Canon lenses in Canada.

TBH, long warranties are of questionable value - if anything goes wrong with a camera or lens, it's usually either DOA or is discovered within the first couple of weeks. Things seldom wear out, and they only usually break if the item gets dropped, immersed or otherwise abused, in which case the warranty is invalid anyway.

I do agree that RF prices are very high, but Canon glass is superbly engineered and the build quality is industry-leading. It would be nice to have RF mount independent glass from Sigma and Tamron, but don't expect it to happen for another year or two...

 

[Marco Birri]

You can’t use US price as the base though, the lenses aren’t even manufactured in the US and they are making a way bigger profit than that. For example the 135GM from Sony is $2098 USD and the Canon RF 135 is $2099 USD. Now in Australia, the 135GM goes for as cheap as $2300 AUD but the Canon is selling at $3969. Both of these include 10% GST so either Sony is committing so very major tax fraud (unlikely) or Canon is pricing their stuff very fairly in the US and really milking everyone outside the US for all they have!

Canon is already giving Canadians a good rebate on the R6 Mark II. canon.ca has an MSRP of 3499$ for the R6 and 3299$ for the R6 Mark II

 

[Jonathan Thill]

I shot as a pro for Canon for 15 years and the RF prices make these lenses untouchable for me. I'd get the Sigma instead! 1/3 the price, 7 year warranty vs only 1 year for Canon lenses in Canada.

To each their own. I do not use 3rd party lenses so the price difference is meaningless from system to system. Good 1st party glass is always going to be expensive because unlike Camera bodies lenses are long term investments.

I was able to recoup much of the cost I paid when I sold my Canon EF collection to move to RF glass.

I also find the RF STM glass that my wife uses with her R7 is not bad at all. The little RF 100-400 really surprised me. Not as nice the 100-500 but so light and sharp.

 

[Kit.]

So how are people feeling? Are we happy or upset?

Preordered for my wife. Her 7D2 conveniently needs a replacement.

tethered control using your phone,

What's wrong with in on R5? It seemed to work last time I stumbled upon it.

 

[dtaylor]

Sensor is a disapointment(if it indeed is old design), seems like Canons castration fetish was strong with this one. While El-5 and 135 are quite interesting.

Edit: EL-5 with Li-Ion battery pack and undercutting 600ex seems like a great option for cameras with new hot shoe.

The performance matters. The engineering to get there typically does not. BSI never made much of a difference in FF sensors. Stacked sensors increase readout/processing speed, but this camera is delivering 40 fps e-shutter and 4k60 FF oversampled from 6k using a FSI sensor. It's very competitive with the other cameras in its segment regardless of chip fabrication differences.

 

[Johnw]

This is not an upgrade for the R5. R5 is better in almost every aspect.

I’d say it depends on your workflow.

Faster FPS and faster max shutter speed in electronic mode, and longer recording time in 4k60 would seem to be upgrades over the R5 for me. Of course not everyone will use those features, and some people need more MP. In most respects the R5 is still better of course.

 

[Jonathan Thill]

You can’t use US price as the base though, the lenses aren’t even manufactured in the US and they are making a way bigger profit than that. For example the 135GM from Sony is $2098 USD and the Canon RF 135 is $2099 USD. Now in Australia, the 135GM goes for as cheap as $2300 AUD but the Canon is selling at $3969. Both of these include 10% GST so either Sony is committing so very major tax fraud (unlikely) or Canon is pricing their stuff very fairly in the US and really milking everyone outside the US for all they have!

Again, in Australia you are at the mercy of the increased cost of Canon glass and bodies because they only offer 5 year warranties. Sony offers a 2 years warranty.

If you were to buy the RF 135 from the US with Australian dollars it would cost you $3303.95 at the current exchange rate and would have no Australian warranty. Yes $665 is a lot to pay for an extra 3 years of warranty but still comparing US pricing to Australian is not really apples to apples because of the extra warranty.

Here in Canada the Canon RF 135 in Canada costs $2849.99 CDN before taxes if I was to buy it from the US at the current exchange rate = $2099 USD to CDN = $2877.21 so we are saving a little in Canada over buying in the US. Also many of the US retailers are no longer shipping some items to Canada addresses.

Still just a 1 year warranty in Canada and here in BC you can add 12% to the $2849.99 =

$3191.98 out the door.

 

[Del Paso]

Healthcare is not paid by tax, we have to pay into a different system (from Germany)

Right, but indirectly, many structures are co-financed by the state, or by local structures which benefit from tax-revenues.

 

[jam05]

And some complainers say the R6II is nothing but firmware updates. SMH

That's all it is. Complete firmware updates. An antique image sensor that is not even a BSI CMOS. A plain CMOS sensor. If you're impressed with firmware coding and 40fps electronic shutter only, waste your money. Any tech savy person knows the difference betweeen hardware and firmware. Heck Nikon did a recent firmware update to its Z9 and stated that its a entirely new camera.