Someone should read the post and then react. I'm saying again:Wow. I am taken aback by the ignorance displayed here.
Thanks again for a post filled with true filmmaking ignorance.
Did I say there was something wrong with the 5DIV?? That's exactly the point that it's still the best. All Canon mirrorless cameras released after 5DIV have DR worse than 5DIV. RP uses an old sensor, R uses the same sensor but has a slight decrease in DR. I won't be surprised if they dust 5DSr sensor, tweak it a bit and release a mirrorless high-res R version.and whats wrong with the current 5d4 DR? I've worked with nikon and sony raw files and the 5d4 is not lagging at all.
Still. I joined Canon's Australian R&D group in 2011 and he was then 74, and they categorically said they'd be installing younger blood progressively and now he's an 82-year-old fossil still running them. You can see why Canon are no longer the trail blazers.Canon's CEO is Fuji Mitarai? Hmmm...
You must love the Grind House movies are the pinnacle of film making then.Just talking aesthetics, 4K is an abomination. I do not like my actors looking like they are playing dress-up in my living room. Instead of being transported to another world, the ultra high resolution of 4K dooms us to watching ordinary (although better looking than average) people play acting, stripped of all sense of mystery or drama. I know it is unrealistic to expect his, but I truly wish movie theaters would resist the 4K/8K craze. I would like to have at least one refuge for viewing films as an art.
I didn’t know 4k30fps and crop 1.3, 100mpbs, 420 and 8 bit were cutting edge, seriously people have gotten dumber and dumber. Look at those Sony Specs and tell me those are above what camera? The EOS R is a 30Mp camera and if you factor the crop that’s the same crop vs a 24mp sensor 1.3 crop at 4k30. Also 422 10bit if you’re a professional with 480mbps. Both cameras have limitation, they are just doing it in different ways. If sony did 422 10bit 480mbps, yes that would be a very awesome camera. I have the EOS R with the RF50f1.2 and the RF24-105 and if the sony was so great then I would of bought it but I’ll take the EOS-R any day because SPECs don’t mean crap if you don’t enjoy the camera. I used it more than my 1DX ii cause it’s such great handling camera, the touch LCD there’s nothing in the market like it, feels like an iPhone. Touch and drag focus, touch menus, swipe and pinch photos, has eye focus now and face detect. If you like sony great, if you enjoy then that’s all that matters stop spewing pointless specs that i bet you don’t even useEverybody's situation is different, but for me, the opportunity cost of waiting for Canon to flesh out its video/hybrid system was simply not worth it. Thus, I went over to Sony in late 2017 from Panasonic/Olympus in the MILC space. I didn't move over prior to that because Sony wasn't quite there with their mark ii bodies. That was a year and a half ago. Since then, Canon didn't disappoint (to my benefit) and it has relatively stayed true to its conservative roots (in the EOS R and RP). Given Canon's CEO predictions of a 50% drop of the camera market in the following 2 years and Canon's financial reports stating a transition into marketing and distribution vs R&D, I'm not sure they are interested in catching up for bragging rights. They are more interested in catering to the consumer/entry level market like Rebels, Instant print cameras, etc. which is their most volatile market group considering the fast paced development of multi-camera array smartphones and contribution to their overwhelming market share. In addition, there doesn't seem to be any more releases in the MILC space from Canon in 2019, so those looking for product in that space will have to wait for 2020. By then, I would have generated revenue with Sony product for more than 2.5 years assuming I don't upgrade one of my bodies to the A7Siii. It would be quite some time even after that for Canon to completely displace them in the MILC space forcing them to sell or abandon.... At that point, some of the feature parity between Canon and its competitors would more than likely be partially achieved, and moving to Canon would be more palatable to me for video/hybrid work and the depreciation on the Sony equipment on the used market acceptable.
You’re foolish if you think people are going to be shooting 4k, that’s a lot of harddrive space. 1080p coming from a EOS R on a 4k look awesome. My LG oled upscale really well and a lot of movies are shot in 4k but remove the sharpness anyway. I have almost 600 4k movies on my ITunes and only a few take advantage of the 4k resolutions and those are digital movies like the avengers and Deadpool . And these are professional grade movies , so lets not even bring up a consumer grade hybrid camera at that. If sony works for you and by all means go buy sony and stop the whining4K TVs are everywhere in the USA; many computer and even the latest smartphone displays are greater than HD (revealing the resolution limitations of HD footage); and most video work is shot in 4K even when finishing in HD, to make use of the greater resolution to reframe and to enhance quality; also, many pros and prosumers need and want a hybrid camera that does stills and video; and, to top it off, many corporate productions are shot on Sony FS7s and the matching A7 series is used for a ton of gimbal work. All this goes without mentioning any future proofing benefits of shooting in 4K.
So, really who's clueless here?
But no Sony full frame camera does 4k60 not even their flagship camera, they can’t even shoot over 100mpbs cause they will overheat, and 4k30fps has a 1.3x crop, so all this sony being great at video is just propaganda, paid by sony to spew crap on YouTubeThey just want us plebes to see the light. All 14.8 EV of it, underexposed by 5 stops and pushed in post, with the editing process documented in uncropped 4K60p video.
The difference between the 5D4 and R (0.1ev) is inconsequential. They have the same DR for all practical purposes outside a lab test.Did I say there was something wrong with the 5DIV?? That's exactly the point that it's still the best. All Canon mirrorless cameras released after 5DIV have DR worse than 5DIV.
That sensor still ties for highest image quality in 35mm format 4 years after its release. With the right glass it can quite frankly give MF a run for its money. Mine has done nothing but impress me in all respects at all print sizes.I won't be surprised if they dust 5DSr sensor, tweak it a bit and release a mirrorless high-res R version.
Sony doesn't have a single camera outside their cinema lineup that shoots 4K/60p yet. Not even the A9. Sony will have to make their first one before they make their 4th of 5th. Canon 1DX II does 4K/60p & was released in 2016.Sony will be releasing its fourth or fifth model with those specs before Canon gets its first to market
The point is, the R sensor isn't any better at all.The difference between the 5D4 and R (0.1ev) is inconsequential. They have the same DR for all practical purposes outside a lab test.
I wouldn't care to complain about the RP, it's just not the camera I'd be buying so I have no complaints at all.DR has been "stuck" for everyone. The D800 set the bar in 2012. Very few cameras have matched or (barely) exceeded it. It would appear that DPAF is the reason why the 5D4 and R are roughly 1ev behind on this metric, as you can process a DP RAW file to match the DR of the D850. That said, 1ev (regular RAW file) is a tick or two on a NR slider. It's nothing like the D800 vs. the 5D3 where the D800 shadows would reveal details that simply weren't in the 5D3 file.
I suppose you could complain about the DR of the RP, but first you would have to find a FF camera at the same price point.
As a customer, I just don't care to be honest. That is it's all interesting theoretical and historical stuff, and I like reading it, but as a customer looking for a new more advanced camera, I just don't care. What I do care about is a next-get mirrorless weather-sealed camera with a flip screen and a better sensor as a 5DIV successor. Preferably Canon because I have a number of expensive L lenses. The sensor is a major factor to me. If Canon doesn't deliver - I'm just not upgrading from 5DIV, that's all. Will eventually switch to Sony or whatever, depending on my budget and available products on the market.This is one of those areas where people act like "Canon is behind" with "sensors that are years old" without realizing that the industry as a whole has not moved forward in 7 years on the metric in question.
I'm a very casual video user, don't care much about video. Some people find it extremely important and crucial, I don't.On a similar point: it seems like the video discussion is progressing as if Sony had 4k60p and Canon had no 4k. Last I checked Sony offered FF 4k30p (better high ISO) at 100 Mbps while Canon offered cropped 4k30p at 400 Mbps (far better for grading). That's not a clear win for Sony, and more than one review by a professional cinematographer points this out.
If the 5DIV successor has the same DR as 5DIV and 60+mp, and no AA filter, I'll probably buy it. If they promise it'll have a better DR, I'm happy to preorder it right now.That sensor still ties for highest image quality in 35mm format 4 years after its release. With the right glass it can quite frankly give MF a run for its money. Mine has done nothing but impress me in all respects at all print sizes.
If Canon were to reuse that sensor they would still have one of the best high resolution systems on the planet. If they go with the rumored 75mp sensor it will put them that much further ahead.
Have you read Rudolf Arnheim? Depending on your perspective on his writing, there's some perfect synchronicity or some real irony in your post. Or maybe both.Just talking aesthetics, 4K is an abomination. I do not like my actors looking like they are playing dress-up in my living room. Instead of being transported to another world, the ultra high resolution of 4K dooms us to watching ordinary (although better looking than average) people play acting, stripped of all sense of mystery or drama. I know it is unrealistic to expect his, but I truly wish movie theaters would resist the 4K/8K craze. I would like to have at least one refuge for viewing films as an art.
Neither is anyone else's sensor. Not since 2012.The point is, the R sensor isn't any better at all.
Better DR (than 5D4) probably won't happen unless they integrate dual pixel exposure/processing into every shot. I kinda doubt that will happen first on their high MP body.If the 5DIV successor has the same DR as 5DIV and 60+mp, and no AA filter, I'll probably buy it. If they promise it'll have a better DR, I'm happy to preorder it right now.
I don't know. Sony, 4ex, shows a gradual improvement. Not a big gain, but still...Neither is anyone else's sensor. Not since 2012.
There's still a room for Canon to catch up with Sony. I'd be very happy to have even +0.5 stop gain in DR.Better DR (than 5D4) probably won't happen unless they integrate dual pixel exposure/processing into every shot. I kinda doubt that will happen first on their high MP body.
You are saying that Canon could sell more cameras if they were targeting a specific "demographic". I am saying that if it involves extra effort in development and/or production, Canon might actually end up selling less cameras.Don't worry, Canon would never do this because, as I think we've seen, they really don't care about delivering competitive 4K video on stills cameras
Also, you're not the demographic I'm talking about.
Here is the Canon 7D sensor measurement at PhotonsToPhotos vs. the S1. Not 7D mark II, but the original. Worse dynamic range than a 6D2 or RP.Panasonic DC-S1 Sensor Measurements at PhotonsToPhotos