1Ds Mark IV & 24-70 II in 2 Weeks?

[Ghostdive]

Let's see what we get the next weeks. The guys on nikonrumors, also don't know what will be showed on 24th.

If the price for the new 1D or 1Ds is ok, I maybe skip the 5DIII. We have a lot of rumors, but nothing real, so we can only wait.
Lets see what happens next week

 

[pedro]

A shiny new 1Ds would be very welcome, but I believe that Canon must be bringing a new 1D along. Waiting till next year will force many heading to cover the Olympics to switch to "The Dark Side", which is hardly in Canons best interests long term.

No, given how close we are to the 2012 games, the 1D has to be the top priority for Canon. Yes, I'll agree that they have made a rod for their own back by not updating some of the other bodies more regularly, but hindsight is always perfect, I imagine they had what seemed good reasons at the time. Experience is a wonderful thing and maybe in future they will manage it better?

What if ... they came out with a shiny 1 Ds IV this fall, announcing an 1D V in February (due to the upcoming sports events) and postpone the 5Diii for Q3 2012? Anyone? The new 7D would get an early 2013 time frame along with a rebel or whatever.

 

[J. McCabe]

Why is a second edition lens long overdue? I remember there use to be a time when people would buy a lens and never dream on needing an "updated" version. Don't you think this might just be consumerism and something that really is not needed. The only reason why I am on the bandwagon on waiting for an "updated" camera is because current dSLRs still lack the quality of film. They are getting close and on that day it is comparable, I think I will just have to run that camera into the ground.

I guess my point of what I am saying is I have known quite a few successful photographers who just shoot with one lens or just one old S___ty camera and still produce great results or have a incredible style. I guess I am just having a tough time understanding the importance an extra little gidget or gadget will make over the long run ;o)

I think consumerism plays a part here, but ...

Note Canon has very few lenses which are mk3, from the top of my head only the 75-300mm which was last updated in film days.

My impression is that the benefit from today's computer power drives much of the upgrade to mk2 lenses:

* Electronics have progressed, allowing for faster USM, improving IS, etc. This is no different than the upgrades Canon made in the transition from FD to EF, such as autofocus and allowing the camera to control the aperture.

* Ray tracing allows to create improved optics.

* Digital makes it easier to fix things which couldn't be fixed in film, making a different set of trade-offs in lens design more attractive. As example, it's easy to fix distortions (barrel, pincushion, etc, all up to a point) with a computer, so making a lens with less chromatic aberation and more distortions makes sense.

The ability to improve lenses raises expectations, and this is natural, just as in other areas of life (need examples ? I'll be happy to produce a few).

 

[Flake]

A 24 - 70mm f/2.8 MkII released without IS would be as much use to me as a paperweight! Shooting at the weekend I was between something which resembled a cave and brilliant sunshine. no IS would have meant unrealistic lenses swapping every 5 minutes. The Image quality of a lens with camera shake will never be as good as one without regardless of the optical quality.

Nikon have given the signal of where they are going in the 16 - 35mm f/4 VR and they will almost certainly include it in their replacement for the 24 - 70mm f/2.8 Canon could really mess this lens up if it is a non IS version, it would rule me out as a buyer, and plenty of other users like me.

 

[Bokehmon]

14 II released with the 1ds3 if I recall. Hope they follow in the same footprints and release something similar like a 14-24 instead of a 24-70!

nikon released the 14-24, 24-70 and their D3 at the same time, lets hope it goes that way!

 

[Danack]

* Digital makes it easier to fix things which couldn't be fixed in film, making a different set of trade-offs in lens design more attractive. As example, it's easy to fix distortions (barrel, pincushion, etc, all up to a point) with a computer, so making a lens with less chromatic aberation and more distortions makes sense.

Chromatic aberration is also relatively easy to fix. As is vignetting. Really the priority of lenses now is a flat field and as sharp as possible.

 

[Loswr]

Chromatic aberration is also relatively easy to fix. As is vignetting. Really the priority of lenses now is a flat field and as sharp as possible.

Lateral CA, yes. Axial, not so much.

 

[Loswr]

A 24 - 70mm f/2.8 MkII released without IS would be as much use to me as a paperweight! Shooting at the weekend I was between something which resembled a cave and brilliant sunshine. no IS would have meant unrealistic lenses swapping every 5 minutes. The Image quality of a lens with camera shake will never be as good as one without regardless of the optical quality.

You shooting art painted on the walls of that cave, or people? IS would sure help with cave art...but being able to handhold at 1/10 s doesn't really help shoot people.

Not disagreeing, I absolutely want IS in the next 24-70mm L. Juist pointing out that IS has it's limitations, and sometimes you just need more light (or clean higher ISOs).

 

[Flake]

Shooting people & it wasn't a cave, just resembled one! Using flash which wouldn't reach far enough, and then I got the dreaded non functioning main selector dial, which locks the camera, and won't allow adjustment of shutter speed in Manual mode, aperture in Av, Iso or anything else the wheel controls. It's caused by the second control dial on the battery grip getting stuck between notches (though I didn't know that at the time) you can replicate this if you try. The camera was locked at 1/60th in manual and f/5.6 in Av. It freed itself after about 20 minutes much to my relief, if anyone else gets this, you now know what it is!

 

[Bokehmon]

Shooting people & it wasn't a cave, just resembled one! Using flash which wouldn't reach far enough, and then I got the dreaded non functioning main selector dial, which locks the camera, and won't allow adjustment of shutter speed in Manual mode, aperture in Av, Iso or anything else the wheel controls. It's caused by the second control dial on the battery grip getting stuck between notches (though I didn't know that at the time) you can replicate this if you try. The camera was locked at 1/60th in manual and f/5.6 in Av. It freed itself after about 20 minutes much to my relief, if anyone else gets this, you now know what it is!

tripod buddy, the solution to all your problems

 

[svetljo]

Shooting people & it wasn't a cave, just resembled one! Using flash which wouldn't reach far enough, and then I got the dreaded non functioning main selector dial, which locks the camera, and won't allow adjustment of shutter speed in Manual mode, aperture in Av, Iso or anything else the wheel controls. It's caused by the second control dial on the battery grip getting stuck between notches (though I didn't know that at the time) you can replicate this if you try. The camera was locked at 1/60th in manual and f/5.6 in Av. It freed itself after about 20 minutes much to my relief, if anyone else gets this, you now know what it is!

tripod buddy, the solution to all your problems

tripods are forbidden here and there, and not always available
thats one of the reasons i picked 24-105 f4 IS over 24-70 (no IS)

 

[Tarrum]

I've been to places where you can't use a flash. Never got told I mustn't bring a tripod lol

Anyways, I think it's safe to assume that the 1Ds Mark IV is coming soon and Nikon's rumors say two models will be coming. Judging by the past when we got D300 and D3 on the same day in August, I think we're getting a D4 with D400, and of course Canon has to announce a competitor to the D4 sooner or later. Maybe we'll get both, 1D Mark V and 1Ds Mark IV, because the 7D Mark II that could compete with the D400 is really to early to be released.

And 24-70mm seems like an excellent lens to announce with a high body. Can't wait, just a few more days/weeks and we'll see new stuff. My bet is late August (such as 22nd, 23th) and September (around 15th).

 

[Loswr]

I've been to places where you can't use a flash. Never got told I mustn't bring a tripod lol

Museums, concerts, etc... Lots of places forbid tripods - it's a liability thing, the legs stick out, and another patron could trip and sue the venue.

 

[DJL329]

Just remember, folks, that there are no EF lenses (not EF-S!) with IS that don't reach at least 100mm. So for the EF 24-70mm Mark II, don't get your hopes up too high.

(Of course, now that I've mentioned that, who knows... )

 

[Loswr]

Just remember, folks, that there are no EF lenses (not EF-S!) with IS that don't reach at least 100mm. So for the EF 24-70mm Mark II, don't get your hopes up too high.

But there's at least one Nikon FX lens that has VR and doesn't come anywhere close to 100mm. Gotta keep up with the Jonses...

 

[Bokehmon]

Just remember, folks, that there are no EF lenses (not EF-S!) with IS that don't reach at least 100mm. So for the EF 24-70mm Mark II, don't get your hopes up too high.

(Of course, now that I've mentioned that, who knows... )

Good point, but personally I don't need the IS, as long as it's sharp enough to cut my eyes...

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

* Digital makes it easier to fix things which couldn't be fixed in film, making a different set of trade-offs in lens design more attractive. As example, it's easy to fix distortions (barrel, pincushion, etc, all up to a point) with a computer, so making a lens with less chromatic aberation and more distortions makes sense.

OTOH, a little CA fixes up pretty well with digital processing while fixing distortion can require a lot more shifting things around and can lead to a loss of FOV and more detail than some well-behaved CA fixing. If you look at 14mm it seems like Samyang went for low CA and more distortion while Canon did the opposite.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I've been to places where you can't use a flash. Never got told I mustn't bring a tripod lol

Museums, concerts, etc... Lots of places forbid tripods - it's a liability thing, the legs stick out, and another patron could trip and sue the venue.

true, although thought it was a sad sign of our sue happy nation. I mean they even ban monopods. Is that really gonna trip you anymore than someone would end up tripping over someone else's legs? Monopods I suspect might be banned more since they seem more club-like and they prob don't want that at sporting venues/clubs/concerts/etc.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Chromatic aberration is also relatively easy to fix. As is vignetting. Really the priority of lenses now is a flat field and as sharp as possible.

Lateral CA, yes. Axial, not so much.

And axial requires designs that they still mostly don't seem to be touching other than up in the super-tele range, where the old ones were already pretty much free of it to begin with.

 

[EYEONE]

IS is useful sure but if Canon announced a 24-70mm f2.8 II without IS I'd be ok with that. I know people will disagree and probably call me rude things but I have never been shooting with the 24-70 and felt I needed IS.

But I guess I don't go shooting in caves or whatever. I suppose when you are shooting people more IS becomes less useful because your really need is faster shutter.

But, I would be very surprised if it doens't have IS.