A Bit of EOS 7D Replacement Info [CR2]

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<p>There hasn’t been a lot in the way of full specifications for the replacement to the EOS 7D that we expect to be announced in September of this year. We’ve heard it will come around September 5, depending where you are on the planet.</p>
<p>A good source tells us that the new camera will have EOS-1 build quality, which we expected. The camera will be specced extremely well, but will be missing one feature. It won’t have built-in wifi. This tells me it’ll be a higher megapixel camera (24mp+?) and shoot at a very high frame rate.</p>
<p><em>More to come….</em></p>
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the 7D was already with a 1 series body frame and weather sealing. I don't see much suprise to this, canon can't seem to get wifi working reliably with a full metal shell, and anyone with a brain could figure that it would be specced as a high performance camera body.

still see it at around 2K .. however with some fairly high performing cameras well under 2k - canon has to bring it to the table to see it as a fairly half decent value to a crowded market that includes nikon, pentax and sony.

 

[Dylan777]

If iq is decent at 2500iso, I'll be in trouble

 

[Loswr]

the 7D was already with a 1 series body frame and weather sealing.

Not as good as contemporary 1-series bodies, though.

 

[bjd]

I expect to try the TP Link TL-MR3040 soon to see how it compares. Only $40.

This is what I use on my 60D. Works great. The DSLR Controller app is better than Canon's app and the range on the TP Link is excellent. I get 30 or so feet -- maybe a bit more -- depending on the environment. For the money, it can't be beat.

I'm hoping the IQ will significantly increase over what APS-C has to offer now. If not, I may save my money for a full-frame.

Hi, could you tell me more about how this works please? USB connection from Camera
to TPLink then via the LAN to a Tablet running DSLR Controller?

I am using DSLR Controller from my Tablet direct USB to my 5D, and have played with DSLR Controller
on my smartphone viw WIFI to the Tablet and then USB to the Camera.

Cheers Brain

 

[AvTvM]

Even though I do not miss built-in WiFI very often I do expect Canon to build WiFi into the 7D successor and any other new EOS model and implement it really well. By that I mean something much better than e.g. the 6D implementation and current apps - but rather state of the art App and functionality - fully matching or beating what CamRanger does.

If in 2014 a camera maker is still not able (or willing) to integrate WiFi into any new camera model ... that tells me: "does not deserve my money". As simple as that.

 

[Sabaki]

I'm just hoping it takes photos

 

[Click]

Now, if it's missing a direct print button, then I'm out for sure.

;D ;D ;D

 

[jeffa4444]

Pretty much 80% of my photography on the 6D is landscape and this is shot on a tripod. Not always but when I can I use the iPhone app. & WiFi for live view to the phone and to remotely fire the shutter. Since shooting this way I dont have any camera shake at all, yes I have the Canon remote but hardly ever use it anymore. Its so simple to use so those dismissing WiFi clearly have not used it.

The 7D should include WiFi no technical reason why it cannot.

 

[sailingsilkeborg]

... I really expect it to be closer to 5000 or 6000.

For a crop sensor? Who would pay that price?

 

[arvi]

Canon's thinking potatoes again? No Wi-Fi? At least put 11n in the thing. These cams stick around for a few years and thus deserve to have as full a set of features as possible. Especially at that price point.

 

[TowcesterNews]

I have a 5d MkIII with Eyefi and the WFT e6 for 1dx. The WFT e6, pukka Canon wifi, is excellent, very robust in every situation, talking to iphone, ipad, adhoc, connections to laptops, direct FTP.

It maybe expensive but is worth every penny. The Eyefi in a 5d MkIII, is not a patch in terms of performance, yes it works.

I updated my 7d for the 5d MkIII, was happy with 7d, but wanted two cameras with similar controls, focussing etc, 5d III and 1dx sit well together

 

[mdmphoto]

I use eos remote on galaxy note 3 to shoot landscapes, fireworks, family portraits, and difficult-angle shots with my 6d. It drops the connection sometimes, but it usually picks right back up also. I have yet to have one bit of camera equipment, computer, software, phone - any bit of tech that does everything it's supposed to do all the time or is otherwise flawless. While I find the 6d wifi and canon software adequate for my needs, I would still buy a 7d II, depending on the price, whether it has wifi or not - I'd just rather it did...

 

[preppyak]

For a crop sensor? Who would pay that price?

Seriously, people would just by a 1DX at that price point.

Remember, the original 7D was nearly indestructible and had the build quality of the 1-series at the time, and it came out at $1699 retail. I think its far more likely that the 7DII comes in at <$2k, with the worst case being low-mid 2's.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

what has wifi to do with higher megapixels and framerate?

give it 802.11ac.

Probably that if it doesn't have stuff like wifi then it sure as heck better have everything else to the nines and that it won't be Rebel/xxD oriented at all.

Anyway this one sounds like a legit leak (even if it doesn't really provide any beef and that (and perhaps weekday leak) implies an official bits of crumbs kinda 'leak' and not really a leak leak which might give more, perhaps).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Can someone explain something about wifi?

I have read that build quality (metal body?) precludes incorporating wifi. Yet, the wifi card manufacturers say their product works with the 5DIII in its SD slot. If that's the case, then why would camera manufacturers be unable to design a camera body that doesn't have the ability to use wifi. It seems they should be able to simply shift the wifi portion to another part of the body.

Honestly no reason at all, coming from a career in the IT world before I have worked on many laptops at board level and most have the wifi "chips" in a central location and the antenna is located elsewhere on the board for best performance. This is also the case as some of you may recall with the iphone and the issues they had with the metal body and wifi/3g when you covered a particular part of the phone body with your fingers etc.

So in reply, they could well design a metal body for the camera and pipe via a cable to an antenna external to the metal shell for best reception purposes....and this does not mean it has to remain an internal antenna...

+1

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I'm just hoping it takes photos

Why do you expect it to be able to take photos? I expect Canon will finally get with the times and catch up to like how the phone makers have been making phones. Just like with phones which are all about messaging and social media connection, cameras will now be all about advanced features (100fps, etc. etc.) and the actual photo taking ability will an afterthought (if they dare even bother included that feature at all).

 

[wsheldon]

I use eos remote on galaxy note 3 to shoot landscapes, fireworks, family portraits, and difficult-angle shots with my 6d. It drops the connection sometimes, but it usually picks right back up also. I have yet to have one bit of camera equipment, computer, software, phone - any bit of tech that does everything it's supposed to do all the time or is otherwise flawless. While I find the 6d wifi and canon software adequate for my needs, I would still buy a 7d II, depending on the price, whether it has wifi or not - I'd just rather it did...

Same experience here with my 6D Wifi. Useful and generally workable. However, I suspect the 7DmII target audience interested in remote capabilities might be better served by a CamRanger or equivalent rather than 6D/70D-type Wifi and EOS Remote app. Features like an intervalometer, discrete focus stepping, motorized tripod head interface and much richer set of camera controls would be more appealing in the field (e.g. shooting star trails from the comfort of your tent, or bears from a safe distance).

Looking forward to seeing the details on this beast. I've held onto a 50D for shorebirds even after going FF, so a better performing APS-C might lure me back for my wildlife work.

 

[GmwDarkroom]

Hi, could you tell me more about how this works please? USB connection from Camera
to TPLink then via the LAN to a Tablet running DSLR Controller?

I am using DSLR Controller from my Tablet direct USB to my 5D, and have played with DSLR Controller
on my smartphone viw WIFI to the Tablet and then USB to the Camera.

Cheers Brain

The TP Link device becomes a network access point for the software running on an Android device. No LAN needed. I would assume you could get WiFi range out of it on a LAN, but I've only every used it in the field with the TP Link and my Galaxy S3.

Essentially, the TP Link takes over the WiFi pass-through duties it sounds like your tablet is doing. The TP Link also acts as a stand alone router so you can go anywhere in the field with just one Android device and your phone or tablet.

 

[dgatwood]

I was pissed off when the 6D came out with WiFi and GPS after buying the 1Dx.. Asking Chuck Westfall about this he said it's because the body of the 6D has a plastic top, where as the 1Dx is fully magnesium and transmission wouldn't work with it.

That's horse crap. The 1DX doesn't have it because it was built before they decided to add those features to DSLRs.

It would be utterly trivial to put Wi-Fi in a 1DX. You just have to design it sensibly. Nearly every laptop out there has a metal body. Wi-Fi doesn't have any trouble whatsoever with metal bodies. You just put the antennas under the screen bezel, and you're done. That's why the notion of the 7D mark II not having Wi-Fi just seems utterly baffling to me.

GPS is harder, because the signal strength is weaker. So I could maybe see them having trouble with adding GPS to an all-metal body. They'd probably have to make a small pit somewhere in the top, covered by a rubber plug with the antenna in it. Still doable, but slightly harder. Or put it behind the clear plastic upper display panel somehow. Either way, it can be done.

The real problem is that Canon lacks vision. They see their product line for what it is, rather than for what it could be. They fail to see the potential for upselling to prosumers, instead assuming that people who buy a 6D for its features will never want to upgrade to a 5D or 1D. They fail to recognize that the consumer market is used to having cameras with GPS and Wi-Fi (we call them cell phones), and as such, these features are important in any upsell attempt.

Nobody wants to lose features when they upgrade. Nobody.

Same experience here with my 6D Wifi. Useful and generally workable. However, I suspect the 7DmII target audience interested in remote capabilities might be better served by a CamRanger or equivalent rather than 6D/70D-type Wifi and EOS Remote app. Features like an intervalometer, discrete focus stepping, motorized tripod head interface and much richer set of camera controls would be more appealing in the field (e.g. shooting star trails from the comfort of your tent, or bears from a safe distance).

Nobody would be better served by a CamRanger if Canon had actual vision. Those are all software features you're talking about, which Canon could trivially add. Or Canon could open up their communications protocol so third parties can write apps that add more features. Either way.

What makes built-in Wi-Fi unbeatable is that it is always there. You don't have to think about it. You don't have to go digging through your camera bag to try to find the device, plug it in, swear when you realize that its battery is dead.... There's simply no excuse for Canon's Wi-Fi implementation being anything less than the best. Unfortunately, Canon has made it very clear with half-assed implementation after half-assed implementation that they don't take Wi-Fi seriously.

Canon really needs to hire some hardware and software engineers with vision.

 

[RustyTheGeek]

Having recently bought a 12mp G1X with Wi-Fi, its a klutz. Canon should leave off Wi-Fi until they can get it right.

Canon Wi-Fi requires that the Canon site be up and working just to do a direct transfer to your computer. Their iMAGE site has been repeatedly down, last weekend until Thursday I was not able to use my Wi-?Fi to transfer images. It took me until Friday to get it to work again, I had to re-register with the site because they changed the login, then erase all my wifi settings from the camera, then reload the 230 MB files and go thru the setup process again, which is slow and goofy. Now its working again, but for how long??

In the meantime, I bought a eye-Fi card and put it in my 5D3. Easy setup, and it works great. Then I popped it in my 1GX just to see what happens, and it works with no setup to card or camera.

I'd much prefer it to the Goofy Canon WiFi which is unreliable.

Gotta say I agree. I have the 6D, I'm an IT guy. I have a lot of experience with lots of WiFi. The 6D has pretty bare minimum functionality and it's difficult to work with on the camera. I guess they decide on some features last minute from the marketing dept and then barely even test/use them. That's what it feels like sometimes, anyway.