We haven’t forgotten about the Canon EOS R1, and you probably haven’t either [CR2]

[Canon Rumors Guy]

Almost immediately after the Canon EOS R3 was announced, people were already asking about the Canon EOS R1, Canon’s future flagship camera.
We haven’t heard much about it in recent months, as Canon rolled out the Canon EOS R10 and Canon EOS R7 and a couple of RF-S lenses.
We have been told that the Canon EOS R1 is scheduled for the 2nd half of 2023 for an announcement and that we could see teasers beginning in the spring.
The latest information says that Canon’s new flagship will be the “new resolution king” as...

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[Emyr Evans]

No more than 60MP for me please, Canon!

Put a 100+MP sensor in a EOS R5DS

 

[lustyd]

Do the people buying ultra high end bodies care about 8k video? I always assumed that was a mid to low range thing because at the high end people are buying actual video cameras like the Red or similar.

 

[Skyscraperfan]

I do not like the developement that more megapixels are now considered more premium or flagship than low megapixels. If you compare the R5 and the R3, you see how much better the R3 is in low light evne if you scale the R5 images down to the resolution of the R3. Is that just because of the stecked BSI sensor? I also hate that resolution decisions are taken with video in mind. So they might opt for 89.3 megapixels that are required for a 12K resolution, if I made the calculation right. Even for 8K a 12K oversampling would give good results, as it would basically use 9 pixels to get 4 pixels.

The "new ergonomics" sound scary. Please to not give us a tiny toy camera like that Sony A1 that still costs as much as a big camera!

 

[Chaitanya]

So this will be killing 5DS/R series of bodies in future and going back 1D series roots but with added capabilities for sports/wildlife.

 

[USMarineCorpsVet]

I think Canon being almost two years behind (3 by the time this canera is supposedly available) is forcing their hand to put out a super high mpx sensor. They would have done better just putting a better sensor in the R3 which is perfect ergonomically but lacking in a modern day sensor size and releasing it sooner. Then they could work on a bigger sensor for the MK II. They are way behind with a flagship model already and I'm guessing that drove them to the idea of being mpx king. Personally, I think 50-60 mpx is the sweet spot. Guess we still have to wait another half a year to find out.

 

[Fbimages]

In a sense I like that they are taking their time. Some great features came with the Z9 and other flagship cameras (like the bursts on buffer idea) and it gives time to Canon to embed those ideas in its new design. Ergonomically speaking, I find the R3 to be the perfect camera. On the wishlist are only a couple more pixels (maybe 40 max?) and more importantly a second CF express slot. The SD slot of the R3 is its most frustrating limitation.

 

[Maximilian]

Let's wait and see, how long it takes until we have a first [CR2] rated spec list...
And is anyone willing to make a first guess about the price?

 

[Viggo]

So this will be killing 5DS/R series of bodies in future and going back 1D series roots but with added capabilities for sports/wildlife.

I don’t think so, this will cost twice what a high mp 5-series would cost. And when the 5d2 came out with the same res as the 1ds3 it basically killed it, but for those who wanted/need that 1-series still bought it over the 5d2. I think it’s definitely a market for a high mp speed monster like the R1, a lower mp almost as good R3 and the R5. The question mark for me is if there is a market for a high res 5-series, but if there is, those people hardly care for the sport-features of R1, R3 and R5..

 

[tangerine_sedge]

They would have done better just putting a better sensor in the R3 which is perfect ergonomically but lacking in a modern day sensor size and releasing it sooner.

I assume that they are working on a bigger stacked sensor, and this is the delaying factor.

 

[AlanF]

In a sense I like that they are taking their time. Some great features came with the Z9 and other flagship cameras (like the bursts on buffer idea) and it gives time to Canon to embed those ideas in its new design. Ergonomically speaking, I find the R3 to be the perfect camera. On the wishlist are only a couple more pixels (maybe 40 max?) and more importantly a second CF express slot. The SD slot of the R3 is its most frustrating limitation.

I am not familiar with the detailed features of the Z9. Do you mean "bursts on buffer" is what Olympus has had for several years, then the M6II and now the R7 where the buffer stores a burst of shots before the shutter is pressed or is it something else?

 

[lustyd]

and more importantly a second CF express slot. The SD slot of the R3 is its most frustrating limitation.

I'd like to see them get rid of CF Express and just adopt M.2 in some kind of caddy. Given the storage needs of a modern high end camera it makes sense to just adopt proper storage. A 1 series camera body is certainly large enough to do so.

 

[koenkooi]

I'd like to see them get rid of CF Express and just adopt M.2 in some kind of caddy. Given the storage needs of a modern high end camera it makes sense to just adopt proper storage. A 1 series camera body is certainly large enough to do so.

You can have that today already, if you want to: https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/09/19/zitay-cfexpress-to-ssd-converter-adapter-review/

 

[ReflexVE]

If you want to keep it all internal, there are adapters for that too: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LZMXMLQ/?tag=canorumo-20

 

[DBounce]

Do the people buying ultra high end bodies care about 8k video? I always assumed that was a mid to low range thing because at the high end people are buying actual video cameras like the Red or similar.

So you consider the $9,000 Leica M11, the $6,500 Sony A1 to be mid to low range? You might want to rethink that?

 

[Fbimages]

I am not familiar with the detailed features of the Z9. Do you mean "bursts on buffer" is what Olympus has had for several years, then the M6II and now the R7 where the buffer stores a burst of shots before the shutter is pressed or is it something else?

Yes exactly! The 50fps mode is nice, but you really need to time your shot, having the option to be lagging behind the action and still nail the shot is amazing

 

[lustyd]

So you consider the $9,000 Leica M11, the $6,500 Sony A1 to be mid to low range? You might want to rethink that?

Not at all, I was just saying that people spending 10k for a camera to capture video are generally buying video camera bodies, not photo camera bodies. People buying mid to low end cameras don't have much choice if they want interchangeable lenses, hence the popularity of video in cheaper bodies. I just don't see it as a compelling feature in an R1. I've no issue with it being included, but to call it out as a major improvement seems odd in a primarily stills device.

 

[DBounce]

I’m fine with a smaller body. I’m not fine with overheating or limitations on shooting modes due to heat… not on a 1 series.

As an R3 owner I am the target audience for this camera: So here’s what would I like to see?

• Global shutter… or really fast rolling shutter.

• Built in NDs. Canon, if you remove that mechanical shutter I hope you replace it with internal NDs. No mirrorless body has this and it is way overdue.

• Open gate video modes so we can take full advantage of those higher megapixels. All of your bodies NEED this feature for video.

• A tilt-flip articulating screen like the Panasonic s1h features… but larger and brighter.

• Built in support for wireless audio and time code… because innovation!

• I’m fine with built in cooling fan if fairly quiet…

 

[DBounce]

Not at all, I was just saying that people spending 10k for a camera to capture video are generally buying video camera bodies, not photo camera bodies. People buying mid to low end cameras don't have much choice if they want interchangeable lenses, hence the popularity of video in cheaper bodies. I just don't see it as a compelling feature in an R1. I've no issue with it being included, but to call it out as a major improvement seems odd in a primarily stills device.

I have video cameras… and I own the R3. I can tell you first hand I prefer having good video shooting capabilities in my hybrids bodies. I would not have purchased the R3 if it could not shoot video… and I will not purchase the R1 unless it excels in both video and stills.

 

[AlanF]

Yes exactly! The 50fps mode is nice, but you really need to time your shot, having the option to be lagging behind the action and still nail the shot is amazing

I've tried it on the R7, and it is a nice feature. To be honest, I'm not limited by my gear at present but by the lack of local birds for many months, though in the past few days some migrant waders have really livened things up.