A few Canon EOS R5 Mark II specifications [CR2]

[alanphotography]

The above messages about EFCS and bokeh applied to the R5. If you shoot with 5DIV though the viewfinder, there will be no issues with bokeh.

IIRC, the 5DVI may have similar to the R5 issues with bokeh if you use EFCS in Live View. But I forgot the exact settings (I sold my 5DiV in 2020), they can be found in the manual.

Thanks a lot for sharing, I appreciate it. Sorry I was not clear, but I have no concern with my 5D4.

I am going to get the R5 II (or R1 if it has 45+ MPs, so likely no) so I am looking for examples of bokeh issues that might affect the ES of the R5 mkI to educate myself, and make the choice of using mechanical or ES with the R5 mkII when I get it.

I would like to see images of bokeh issues on the R5, if possible comparison with different shutters of the same images showing the issue.

 

[SBP_photo]

I never felt that the 5d should be an FPS monster. That’s for the 1 series. The 5 series be a MP monster. 100 MP with a focus (pun intended) on bit depth and dynamic range. Too much overlap between the two series. Just my two cents.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

LOL. Clearly you’ve never tried to shoot outdoor daytime portraits with a fast prime. That common use case is exactly described by ‘high shutter speeds and very wide apertures’.

That's not a common use case for me as I don't shoot portraits at daytime outdoors with clear sky. More often it's under controlled light.
Anyway, if you shoot with an R5 at ‘high shutter speeds and very wide apertures’, then use the mechanical shutter, I don't see a problem? That's exactly what I said above.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Thanks a lot for sharing, I appreciate it. Sorry I was not clear, but I have no concern with my 5D4.

I am going to get the R5 II (or R1 if it has 45+ MPs, so likely no) so I am looking for examples of bokeh issues that might affect the ES of the R5 mkI to educate myself, and make the choice of using mechanical or ES with the R5 mkII when I get it.

I would like to see images of bokeh issues on the R5, if possible comparison with different shutters of the same images showing the issue.

I'm not sure about examples from the R5 specifically, but generally you get something like this

that is, bokeh circles kinda get cut.

However this problem wont apply to the R1 because it's not going to have a curtain shutter, it looks like it's going to be fully electronic which will completely eliminate this problem.

I'm not sure about the R5II. If it has fast enough readout, its electronic shutter will be perfectly fine too.

 

[David - Sydney]

That's not a common use case for me as I don't shoot portraits at daytime outdoors with clear sky. More often it's under controlled light.
Anyway, if you shoot with an R5 at ‘high shutter speeds and very wide apertures’, then use the mechanical shutter, I don't see a problem? That's exactly what I said above.

Actually, what you said was "There's really no reason to use full mechanical shutter on the R5" to which we have responded.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Actually, what you said was "There's really no reason to use full mechanical shutter on the R5" to which we have responded.

That's what selective quotation does. My full message:

There's really no reason to use full mechanical shutter on the R5. It only makes sense when shooting high speed with very wide apertures.
Otherwise, mechanical shutter means shutter shock and increased chances of blur.

Then you provided a misleading list of technically wrong reasons to shoot with the Mechanical shutter. But there's just one use case for the Mechanical shutter, as above: high shutter speed and wide aperture.

And neuroanatomist was responding on whether the above are typical conditions for portraiture.

 

[Deleted member 396222]

Eye Control AF?
Definitely my next camera!
Wonderful news for me, I'll place an order as soon as I can.
I am happy happy happy!
(And happy).

Z8 has had this for a year... Am I missing the jump over the Nikon or is this catch up?

 

[eoskai]

Where do you all think the r3 fits in with the r1 and r5iii which seem to shit all over the r3 in terms of specs.

 

[Adam Shutter Bug]

I know a lot are excited but this feels a safe upgrade but not really exciting. The mechanical shutter is a big letdown. We are a point now we don’t need these. I find it frustrating how Canon is quickly turning in to the Apple of Camera companies drip feeding tech at such a slow pace especially when this is not going to be a cheap camera.

 

[Michael Clark]

That list is misleading and inaccurate. It completely misses the heavy shutter shock in Mechanical shutter mode on the R5.
The Mechanical shutter is very bad for portraiture because of the shutter shock.

Canon EOS R5 - shutter shock, IS, long exposure: Canon EOS R Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Expert news, reviews and videos of the latest digital cameras, lenses, accessories, and phones. Get answers to your questions in our photography forums.

www.dpreview.com

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4524415

(my own investigations and measurements)

EFCS only has 'reduced bokeh' at high shutter speeds (faster than1/500 - 1/1000) and very wide apertures. This is where Mechanical shutter may help. But typically you need bokeh for portraiture and you rarely shoot portraits at 1/1000s.

Otherwise, the Mechanical shutter has 0 (zero) advantages over EFCS. EFCS is perfect for action and fast shutter speeds, as well as continuous shooting.

Other than "Natural Light" wannabees, who shoots portraits without lights? I mean true professional portraitists that actually make their living from shooting portraits?

 

[Michael Clark]

Z8 has had this for a year... Am I missing the jump over the Nikon or is this catch up?

Methinks you are confusing Eye Control AF (where the camera senses the photographer's eye movement behind the VF and selects a focus point where the eye is looking) with Eye AF (where the camera senses the subjects eyes in the frame and focuses on them).

The only current camera from anyone that has it is the EOS R3, which debuted in 2021.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Other than "Natural Light" wannabees, who shoots portraits without lights? I mean true professional portraitists that actually make their living from shooting portraits?

In a controlled light environments with strobes/flashes, shutter speeds around 1/100s are not uncommon. Same for outdoor portraiture during golden hour. And this is where you'd have the shutter shock if you use the Mechanical shutter on the R5.

 

[m4ndr4ke]

Didn't the 1DXiii have a 16fps mechanical and 20fps ES?

I could be mistaken but, if I remember correctly, the 1DX3 was able to achieve 20fps in live view, both on mechanical and electronic shutter.

If the camera ever is pointed at the sun it will be so bright that even the shutter can be quickly damaged, I think, and the sensor far faster yet, no? That and dust.

I'd much prefer having a mechanical shutter even if only for safety. It doesn't need to be fast, it can take 1/15 sec to open and open when I push the shutter button half-way

There’s videos of that on the internet. To damage the camera, you need to point a long lens directly at the sun, and leave it that way for several seconds. Why would you ever do such a thing? You didn’t do it with DSLRs either, because you’d end-up in hospital.
If anything, my guess is that the shutter curtains would burn quicker than the sensor. They’re black, plasticky and very thin.

 

[tonccy]

I find the R5 II rumored specs are a little disappointing for a 4-year cycle.

They seem to be:
- 30 fps
- Faster sensor read out
- Finally sprung for heat paste on the chip so you can get some flow out of the camera
- Pre-burst
- Possibly some ergo features, like the smart nipple and eye AF (doubt the eye AF)
- E Shutter gets flash

There are some things that were unmentioned that could drag me to thinking positively about the body. Here’s the wish list. Any two would shift me to the buy column:
- Having full bit depth with electronic shutter
- Supporting the 2x speed new CFexpress 4.0 standard
- Multi-shot hi-res shots saved as RAWs in camera
- Firmware that would stay connected to my phone as well and as simply as my ear buds do. This to facilitate image transfer to my desktop without some wonky jpeg-fest cloud service that will shut down some number of months in the future.

The think I really want and apparently cannot have:
- > 60mp sensor

-Tig

Agree. Like at EOS 5D Mark II, no suprises. Mark III was much bigger step. So, I'll wait for R5 III.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Agree. Like at EOS 5D Mark II, no suprises. Mark III was much bigger step. So, I'll wait for R5 III.

5DII was quite a big step, it had video.

In the R5II, a fast non-crippled electronic shutter and a high dynamic range mode would be nice to have.

AF advancements may look incremental, yes.

 

[StandardLumen]

The think I really want and apparently cannot have:
- > 60mp sensor

I'm sure some day we will have a great camera that 60mp or more, but right now 45 feels like a sweet spot to me. I switched from the 60mp A7R4 to the R5. In my tests, I lost nothing at all in image quality, and the file sizes are much more manageable.

 

[koenkooi]

I could be mistaken but, if I remember correctly, the 1DX3 was able to achieve 20fps in live view, both on mechanical and electronic shutter.[...]

You are correct, with mirror lockup you can do 20fps on the 1dx3: https://cam.start.canon/en/C001/manual/html/UG-04_AF-Drive_0130.html

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)] High-speed continuous shooting

When you hold down the shutter button completely, you can shoot continuously at max. approx. 16 shots/sec. (Live View shooting: 20 shots/sec.)

 

[Del Paso]

Z8 has had this for a year... Am I missing the jump over the Nikon or is this catch up?

Z8 doesn't have any kind of eye-CONTROLLED AF!

 

[Fischer]

Agree. Like at EOS 5D Mark II, no suprises. Mark III was much bigger step. So, I'll wait for R5 III.

In reviews MII and MIV were generally seen as the two "large" upgrades. You may see this otherwise according to your needs - but the MII launch was seen as a revolution (and marketed accordingly) while MIII was seen as an incremental improvement. Especially MII sensor quality and video capability were seen as significant improvements. MIII was a well rounded camera but not revolutionary.

 

[jam05]

No real substantive information at all. Nada. Nothing.