A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]

[unfocused]

Perhaps they'll go retro and replace the mode dial with a shutter speed dial.

Can someone familiar with the 1D explain how the button works? I assume you cycle through the various modes by pushing the button. If that's the case, doesn't sound like a big deal to me, but as I've never used a 1D I don't know.

I hope everyone keeps in mind that this is a CR1 rumor before getting all worked up. Just a few more weeks. Let's wait and see.

 

[KarstenReis]

I like the idea of a 1D style top plate. I rarely change out of M mode and if I do it's to Av or Tv.

Also I think it would be cool to offer an option of two body styles. One vertically integrated grip and one without. That way both camps of people would be satisfied. I personally would very much like an integrated vertical grip after having the chance to play around with a 1DX recently.

 

[Sjekster]

Us pros typically shoot in one of three modes. Manual, TV, or AV. We don't change these often, and many of us, me included, never change our mode. I always use manual. No point having a giant dial on the camera when most of your users will barely ever, or ever, use it. Much easier to implement a button system at that point. It's all about the economics of scale.

I'd agree with you, if it weren't for the gigantic extra grip under the camera. The tiny mode dial is the least of your worries . That the buttons are easier to weatherseal, that makes sense, maybe.

 

[sanj]

Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

Hope it's not a big body like 1DX, but will stay similar sized to 7D or 5D cameras. It would be a little strange to me to change the body size. Target audience will be a little bit different then, maybe. I wouldn't buy it, if this would happen, anyway

I want something bigger then 70D (I don't like the controls on that one, I want the joystick and the thumbwheel), but smaller than a pro body. Well, the size can be like the 70D, as long as it will have the 7D controls. If they move to pro body size, I hope the 80D will get the better 7D controls.

Seems I will be keeping the 7D a lot longer, if this turns out to be true. Or I might even switch to a 5D3 later on.

For me button system works fine. I also believe it makes it better weather proofed.

I would be delighted if it were the big body with the assumption that big bodies give the camera all the power and IQ it needs.

I cannot see how the body size has any effect on the IQ but does the bigger battery allow the larger telephoto lenses to move faster? Would a battery grip have the same effect?

I THINK that larger body size is not just the added battery.

 

[sanj]

Perhaps they'll go retro and replace the mode dial with a shutter speed dial.

Can someone familiar with the 1D explain how the button works? I assume you cycle through the various modes by pushing the button. If that's the case, doesn't sound like a big deal to me, but as I've never used a 1D I don't know.

I hope everyone keeps in mind that this is a CR1 rumor before getting all worked up. Just a few more weeks. Let's wait and see.

You are right in your assumptions….

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

Its a way to improve moisture resistance, and much faster to use, at least it was on my 1 series cameras. Having to hold down a button while you rotate a dial is cumbersome, you have to look at it to set it in the right position, and the plate on the dial is not reliable either.

A Pop up flash seems to retain a moisture leak issue, so that is strange.
This type of arrangement is obviously not for those that want all the built-in modes of a digital rebel, its not aimed at Rebel Users.

 

[Sjekster]

Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

Its a way to improve moisture resistance, and much faster to use, at least it was on my 1 series cameras. Having to hold down a button while you rotate a dial is cumbersome, you have to look at it to set it in the right position, and the plate on the dial is not reliable either.

A Pop up flash seems to retain a moisture leak issue, so that is strange.
This type of arrangement is obviously not for those that want all the built-in modes of a digital rebel, its not aimed at Rebel Users.

You really don't have to look at it to use it, that's one of the nice things. It clicks, so you can just count / feel the amount of clicks to know which mode you're in.

Both options are workable, I'd just prefer the mode dial.

 

[m]

Pop up flash means they did not drop the old remote flash system, which is nice.
No mode dial sounds great, works for me on the 1 and 3.

If better weather sealing was the goal, maybe the pop-up flash doesn't even pop up?

Sounds like an interesting camera.

 

[pdirestajr]

Sounds like an EOS-3!!!

 

[dadgummit]

seems strange to me to drop the mode dial for weather resistance. The 1d series has a dial right behind each of the 2 shutter buttons and another on the back. If they can seal those 3 dials how is the 4th so much harder. My guess is the designer of the pro bodies was put in charge of the 7d2 development and went with what he is used to using which is not a bad thing since this may mean that it will be getting true pro ruggedability. Please keep the joystick on the back though, I really prefer using those.

 

[pierlux]

I cannot see how the body size has any effect on the IQ but does the bigger battery allow the larger telephoto lenses to move faster? Would a battery grip have the same effect?

Short answer: yes and yes (with 2 batteries).

Note that if you put 2 x LP-E6 batteries in the grip, the available power (wattage, i.e. voltage x current) is still lower than a single LP-E4N battery, but the difference is not big enough to expect a significant difference in focusing speed.

Check this long thread, a lot of what we are talking here has been already extensively discussed there:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=13390.0

 

[c.d.embrey]

If this is in a 1D body with built in battery grip, I can see a lot of enthusiasts disappointed. When the 80D or 90D comes out, they'll say that is what the 7D2 should have been.

Oops! You beat me for a couple of minutes... As you said, I would have been disappointed in the past, but honestly I must say I'm changing my mind as time passes, despite what I had said in prevous discussions. Anyway, the assumptive departure of the mode dial only suggests a higher chance for an integrated battery grip, I can't think of a valid reason for a non-gripped body not to sport an EOS 1-type top plate.

Pop-up flash: I like, IR flash triggering should be there in this case, but radio? Having both options would be really great.

One of the main reasons that I use APS-C is that they are smaller and lighter than Full Frame cameras. Why would I want a gripped body that is larger and heavier than a 5D3 ??? Makes no sense to me, therefore a Deal Breaker..

 

[Don Haines]

WiFi & GPS will be internal. We all figured this one.

This means it will not be a completely mag-alloy body so that they can put an antenna in the body somewhere to receive RF signals.

If you look at the body of a 1DX you will see that it is more full of holes than a swiss cheese. Lots of places for RF to penetrate inside, but it is even easier to put the antenna on the outside of the metal frame and cover it with rubber or plastic.

 

[geonix]

2 of this 3 Specs are not really any thing to rumor about I think.
Of course it will have an internal flash, which none-fullframe doesn't. And it is still aimed at enthusiasts not only pros.
Wifi and GPS are also almost a cetain thing, as it will become standard equipment for most cameras on that level and probably even on more entryclass level cameras.

The 1D topplate is more of a rumor and I hope it will stay just a rumor. The modedial is a good thing.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

That's the point. You don't want the mode changing accidentally and more to the point, the mode doesn't change that often - less often than you change lens/camera.

sometimes it's critical to swap modes ultra quickly though, especially into various C modes and back to

 

[pierlux]

One of the main reasons that I use APS-C is that they are smaller and lighter than Full Frame cameras. Why would I want a gripped body that is larger and heavier than a 5D3 ??? Makes no sense to me, therefore a Deal Breaker..

I used to think the same.
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=13390.msg241020#msg241020
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=15327.msg278841#msg278841

Lately, I'm reconsidering my preferences due to the many valid reasons voiced by other CR members in the above linked (and other) threads; not that those of the ungripped body camp aren't valid reasons, either. At present I'm 50/50, both options display advantages and disadvantages. So it seems I won't be disappointed in any case.

At my own risk, let me add - and let the bashing begin! - that I'd be happy to see fewer and better MP than the 7D along with FPS equal or higher than the 1Dx. Overoptimism on my side? Maybe, but I don't think so. I'm awaiting for this baby weanling unicorn to finally deploy its wings, come on!!!

 

[ahsanford]

If this is in a 1D body with built in battery grip, I can see a lot of enthusiasts disappointed. When the 80D or 90D comes out, they'll say that is what the 7D2 should have been.

I think there is zero chance of integral grip. Consider:

• This is still a cost-sensitive market segment. Yes, some pro birders/wildlife/sports guys will buy this rig, but there are a ton of enthusiasts in here as well. Some folks (pros working on the longest end of focal lengths) would pay 1DX money for this body, but the vast majority of 7D2 prospective buyers would scoff at anything above $2,000 I think.
• Top end APS-C is an upcharge market and not a kitchen-sink-included market. I'd wager the 7D grip is the highest selling grip Canon sells: sports / wildlife guys lean on the shutter at events.
• Despite this, they have an established 7D user base that has not been screaming for an integral grip.
• Integral grips would mean that many shooters would have to pitch their current camera bags for deeper ones.

All of this says that Canon will highly likely maintain the status quo w.r.t. only 1-Series bodies getting integral grips.

- A

 

[dgatwood]

WiFi & GPS will be internal. We all figured this one.

This means it will not be a completely mag-alloy body so that they can put an antenna in the body somewhere to receive RF signals.

If you look at the body of a 1DX you will see that it is more full of holes than a swiss cheese. Lots of places for RF to penetrate inside, but it is even easier to put the antenna on the outside of the metal frame and cover it with rubber or plastic.

Or just mount them behind the plastic bezel around the main LCD panel. Mount the third, topside GPS antenna behind the top LCD.

 

[ahsanford]

WiFi & GPS will be internal. We all figured this one.

This means it will not be a completely mag-alloy body so that they can put an antenna in the body somewhere to receive RF signals.

Or it's all-metal and the two antennae are trapped under the pop-up flash. You have to pop the flash (a la a submarine communicating by raising the periscope) to use either. ;D

That would be a riot.

- A

 

[Velo Steve]

Wow! Wi-Fi and GPS. Phones have included that for about ten years. Of course phones have to be more compact and cheaper, so that makes it easier to add features - no I mean harder - wait, am I confused here?