A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
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pierlux said:
To me, more pixels means better image quality (yes, including noise performance) and a built-in optically-perfect teleconverter. The only downsides are file size and the related things like raw buffer depth, both of which can be solved with technology.
So I'd like more pixels - the more the better if in-camera cropping and/or reduction options (good ones - not like SRAW/MRAW) are present.
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You just never know, this could be it: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=21078.msg399513#msg399513
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My plan was to upgrade to the 7D2 when it comes out, but if it has a 1D style body I won't buy it. Too clunky IMO, and totally unnecessary - it is an example of bad industrial design. The extra bit on the body should come as an optional attachment, not part of the body.
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Imagine that they pop in a dedicated DIGIC processor to give 1DX ability to track a specific subject in your frame. In addition to the same AF system.
Would justify the extra real estate created by the integrated grip.
But all these ideas to add to the cost...
Would justify the extra real estate created by the integrated grip.
But all these ideas to add to the cost...
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No need to get nasty.....dilbert said:
I mentioned that the metal body is more full of holes than a swiss cheese because it is not a sealed box. there are dozens of holes through it so adding another one will have no effect on sealing. There will be a lot of RF leakage through those holes. Some are tiny, some are big enough to slide a battery through, and there is even one hole as big as a lens mount. There will be lots of RF leakage.
I also said that it would be easier to mount the antenna outside. There are lots of good places, like on the front of the body, like on top of the viewfinder, like around the LCD, like on the camera bottom, or even on the sides.
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At base ISO or low ISO settings yes. At high ISOs, I respectfully disagree. There's a reason the 1Dx has the best (to my eye) IQ of all the DSLRs available to date (yes, better than any Nikon I think): its 18 MP FF sensor. And there's a reason why Canon developed a prototype sensor with photosites 7.5 times larger than the 1Dx: to capture quality video in candlelight (candledrkness sounds better, though). Don't know if you remember, but check these:Lee Jay said:
http://www.canon.com/news/2013/mar04e.html
http://petapixel.com/2013/09/13/canon-debuts-exciting-prototype-sensor-exceptional-low-light-capability/
Nice thread, too bad I have to quit now, see you later guys!
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Sabaki said:
No.
The whole point of the crop sensor camera range is to reduce the overall size of the camera for the purposes of increased mobility. That is defeated by putting it into a giant body.
Putting a 7D2 into such a package is insanity IMO.
No doubt professional photographers who are used to the 1D series won't mind, but they are not likely to by a crop sensor to begin with (for the most part).
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sanj said:Sjekster said:Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.
Hope it's not a big body like 1DX, but will stay similar sized to 7D or 5D cameras. It would be a little strange to me to change the body size. Target audience will be a little bit different then, maybe. I wouldn't buy it, if this would happen, anyway
I want something bigger then 70D (I don't like the controls on that one, I want the joystick and the thumbwheel), but smaller than a pro body. Well, the size can be like the 70D, as long as it will have the 7D controls. If they move to pro body size, I hope the 80D will get the better 7D controls.
Seems I will be keeping the 7D a lot longer, if this turns out to be true. Or I might even switch to a 5D3 later on.
For me button system works fine. I also believe it makes it better weather proofed.
I would be delighted if it were the big body with the assumption that big bodies give the camera all the power and IQ it needs.
I love the buttons instead of Mode Dial, that means I can simply remove all the Modes I don't use , I have only Av and M selected, and it also mean you can add just a C# for for example video or bracketing etc.Also, I have knocked the mode dial clean off a 5dc one, with buttons nothing is left to chance.
If you need another mode very quickly, simply assign a button to a that mode.
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Tugela said:
Let me start by saying, again, that the 7D2 should not have an integral grip if Canon knows what they are doing.
But, having said that, remember why people use APS-C:
1) It is smaller than FF -- smaller bodies and smaller lenses (if optimized for that mount, i.e. EF-S)
2) It is cheaper than FF -- bodies and crop-only lenses are cheaper.
3) It grants 1.6x reach compared to FF as if it were a 1.6x teleconverter but without the teleconverter hit on aperture*, so this is gold for folks who shoot moving things from far away. (I asterisk this as crop does affect DOF vs. FF but doesn't affect speed of a lens)
Your statement "The whole point of the crop sensor camera range is to reduce the overall size of the camera" applies to Group (1) only.
Group (2) is why so many people own Rebels. APS-C rigs are at the high-end of the beginners-getting-into-photography camera market but they won't set you back thousands of dollars.
Group (3) devotees are special niche of folks who leverage this oddity about crop sensors for birding, wildlife, and some sports. These folks intentionally don't migrate to FF for length -- APS-C is a strength to them and not a weakness. There are pros in this group, guys with large budgets, etc. -- these are folks that can afford (or justify the investment) on most anything that Canon sells.
That third group has been waiting for the 7D2 (and/or the 1D Mark V) forever.
They will be first in line to get one at nearly any cost.
They are the ones (amongst others) who rack up comical posting counts in this forum.
So, again, I don't think the 7D2 needs an integral grip, but APS-C is not just for size. Not at all.
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If they got rid of the mode dial, I wouldn't care. I'm always on M and can't remember the last time I used anything else. I could see this being a problem for people who need the benefit of easily switching between Av/Tv etc. I think it would be cool if they could put a APS-H sensor in it and do what nikon does with their DX crop mode.
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Personally, I'm kind of excited for it the step up to a pro body...although I am finding all of the "Waaaaaa, it won't look like my pre existing APS-C body!" comments highly amusing! Particularly the ones that say it will be a deal breaker, no matter how good it is, if it doesn't have the body format they expect and want. 8)
I think Canon wants to differentiate this from the existing APS-C bodies in a variety of ways, given that it is going to be more expensive in than any other APS-C body ever. I suspect it will be a different kind of animal than we've ever seen from any APS-C camera, in terms of AF, Speed and buffer (although I suspect it will only be a moderate improvement in IQ over the 70D, but time will tell). I think Canon is seeing if they can redefine what an APS-C camera CAN be--and I'm very excited to see how that pans out!
That's my thoughts anyway.
I think Canon wants to differentiate this from the existing APS-C bodies in a variety of ways, given that it is going to be more expensive in than any other APS-C body ever. I suspect it will be a different kind of animal than we've ever seen from any APS-C camera, in terms of AF, Speed and buffer (although I suspect it will only be a moderate improvement in IQ over the 70D, but time will tell). I think Canon is seeing if they can redefine what an APS-C camera CAN be--and I'm very excited to see how that pans out!
That's my thoughts anyway.
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Marauder said:
I have a very specific shooting style and bag (waist pack - ThinkTank ChangeUp) that I use to support that style by keeping things where I want them and at the ready at all times. The 1D body won't fit in there, and the 1D cameras I've used in the past have been too large to be comfortable to use for more than a few seconds at a time. I have small hands, and my 5D fits me perfectly. My Rebel is too small (hurts after a while) and the 1D series is too large (hurts immediately). Also, I have no need of a portrait grip since I have very flexible hands and shoulders, so why should I pay for one and carry one around all the time, even though I don't need it?
The 1D series itself should go back to the body style of the 1V/1VHS where the grip was removable, but not like current removable grips - stiffer and better integrated. Now, if they did that with this camera, that would be first-rate.
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hm.. I guess I am one of the few that are intrigued by the more "pro" body design... and if it happens to have a built-in grip.. I'm all for it..
I shoot aps-c b/c I enjoy it more for my needs over a FF... I have the 60D.. and then bought the 6D.. but with my preference and style of shooting, (macro shots in lightbox) FF was not for me.. so I just returned the 6D
however, on the other hand, I do prefer to have a more durable, bigger body.. I'm always all for that.. w/ a grip on my 60D all the time.. (got big hands) I was going to get the 7D about 1-2 months ago (after i returned the 6D).. but w/ the rumors of the 7D mk2... I guess that is on hold....
however I am debating if waiting and paying for a more expensive 7d mark 2 is even worth it for me and I just buy a 7D as they linger around and go extinct.
I just shoot casual shots outdoors but mainly do product shots in a light box (macro) and some youtube review vids that I have no problem using MF w/ my lens.
ya so anyway.. like I said.. I'm all for a bigger pro body w/ a Crop-factor. just dont know if it is worth it with atleast 7 months wait and almost a 600$ price tag (compared to 7D now)
I shoot aps-c b/c I enjoy it more for my needs over a FF... I have the 60D.. and then bought the 6D.. but with my preference and style of shooting, (macro shots in lightbox) FF was not for me.. so I just returned the 6D
however, on the other hand, I do prefer to have a more durable, bigger body.. I'm always all for that.. w/ a grip on my 60D all the time.. (got big hands) I was going to get the 7D about 1-2 months ago (after i returned the 6D).. but w/ the rumors of the 7D mk2... I guess that is on hold....
however I am debating if waiting and paying for a more expensive 7d mark 2 is even worth it for me and I just buy a 7D as they linger around and go extinct.
I just shoot casual shots outdoors but mainly do product shots in a light box (macro) and some youtube review vids that I have no problem using MF w/ my lens.
ya so anyway.. like I said.. I'm all for a bigger pro body w/ a Crop-factor. just dont know if it is worth it with atleast 7 months wait and almost a 600$ price tag (compared to 7D now)
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Time out here on the size/grip thing.
Size: I have a 7D and a 5DIII. As far as I can tell, they are exactly the same size. I haven't measured them, but I've certainly held them back-to-back and if there are any differences in size they are insignificant. Unlikely it would be any bigger than the 5DIII.
Grip: I guess the world is divided into those who like a grip and those who don't. I fall into the "do" category. But, why assume that having a button on top for changing modes automatically means a gripped body? They are not related.
If the mode button implies better weathersealing, then the only reason to assume that an integrated grip would be necessary is if you assume Canon engineers are incapable of developing a solid seal between the body and grip. Why not? Canon already claims that the 5DIII grip is weathersealed.
Frankly, the weakest link in weathersealing is probably the lens mount anyway. Much more subject to wear. Compare the number of times you switch lenses to the number of times you remove a grip -- probably 10,000 to 1.
Much more challenging is likely to be weathersealing around a pop-up flash. If it indeed has a pop-up flash, and they weatherseal that, then the grip should be a piece of cake.
On the topic of GPS and WiFi. Again, people don't seem to be giving Canon engineers any credit. Just because they hadn't gotten the issue resolved a few years ago, doesn't mean they haven't gotten it resolved today. Do you really think the GPS and WiFi folks have been napping for the past two years or so?
Size: I have a 7D and a 5DIII. As far as I can tell, they are exactly the same size. I haven't measured them, but I've certainly held them back-to-back and if there are any differences in size they are insignificant. Unlikely it would be any bigger than the 5DIII.
Grip: I guess the world is divided into those who like a grip and those who don't. I fall into the "do" category. But, why assume that having a button on top for changing modes automatically means a gripped body? They are not related.
If the mode button implies better weathersealing, then the only reason to assume that an integrated grip would be necessary is if you assume Canon engineers are incapable of developing a solid seal between the body and grip. Why not? Canon already claims that the 5DIII grip is weathersealed.
Frankly, the weakest link in weathersealing is probably the lens mount anyway. Much more subject to wear. Compare the number of times you switch lenses to the number of times you remove a grip -- probably 10,000 to 1.
Much more challenging is likely to be weathersealing around a pop-up flash. If it indeed has a pop-up flash, and they weatherseal that, then the grip should be a piece of cake.
On the topic of GPS and WiFi. Again, people don't seem to be giving Canon engineers any credit. Just because they hadn't gotten the issue resolved a few years ago, doesn't mean they haven't gotten it resolved today. Do you really think the GPS and WiFi folks have been napping for the past two years or so?
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Marauder said:Personally, I'm kind of excited for it the step up to a pro body...although I am finding all of the "Waaaaaa, it won't look like my pre existing APS-C body!" comments highly amusing! Particularly the ones that say it will be a deal breaker, no matter how good it is, if it doesn't have the body format they expect and want. 8)
I think Canon wants to differentiate this from the existing APS-C bodies in a variety of ways, given that it is going to be more expensive in than any other APS-C body ever. I suspect it will be a different kind of animal than we've ever seen from any APS-C camera, in terms of AF, Speed and buffer (although I suspect it will only be a moderate improvement in IQ over the 70D, but time will tell). I think Canon is seeing if they can redefine what an APS-C camera CAN be--and I'm very excited to see how that pans out!
That's my thoughts anyway.
It is a deal breaker, because when I am slogging through the bush with a camera strapped to my back, having a massive body is a decided detriment. Big bodies are for studio use primarily, where size doesn't matter. And if you are in a studio you don't need a crop sensor. If you are out and about, where mobility is important, a large camera body is a problem.
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Marauder said:
I currently use a 20D, and didn't buy the 7D because of a lack of some very specific features (that the 20D also lacks). The 70D is similar to a current 7D with a little worse body, and a little better sensor with dual-pixel technology. I'd get it, most likely, if the 7D replacement is a bust, as a I said above.
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