A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]

[Sjekster]

I love the buttons instead of Mode Dial, that means I can simply remove all the Modes I don't use , I have only Av and M selected, and it also mean you can add just a C# for for example video or bracketing etc.Also, I have knocked the mode dial clean off a 5dc one, with buttons nothing is left to chance.

If you need another mode very quickly, simply assign a button to a that mode.

See, I did not know you could do that, that makes a lot more sense now, thx.

 

[Sjekster]

Personally, I'm kind of excited for it the step up to a pro body...although I am finding all of the "Waaaaaa, it won't look like my pre existing APS-C body!" comments highly amusing! Particularly the ones that say it will be a deal breaker, no matter how good it is, if it doesn't have the body format they expect and want. 8)

I think Canon wants to differentiate this from the existing APS-C bodies in a variety of ways, given that it is going to be more expensive in than any other APS-C body ever. I suspect it will be a different kind of animal than we've ever seen from any APS-C camera, in terms of AF, Speed and buffer (although I suspect it will only be a moderate improvement in IQ over the 70D, but time will tell). I think Canon is seeing if they can redefine what an APS-C camera CAN be--and I'm very excited to see how that pans out!

That's my thoughts anyway.

This might surprise you, but things like camerasize and ergonomics are part of what makes a camera good, for a lot of people. Image quality and fancy features are just part of the experience.

 

[mrsfotografie]

Buttons are easier to seal than a dial.

Nonsense; put an o-ring around the axis and be done with it.

 

[KarstenReis]

Personally, I'm kind of excited for it the step up to a pro body...although I am finding all of the "Waaaaaa, it won't look like my pre existing APS-C body!" comments highly amusing! Particularly the ones that say it will be a deal breaker, no matter how good it is, if it doesn't have the body format they expect and want. 8)

I think Canon wants to differentiate this from the existing APS-C bodies in a variety of ways, given that it is going to be more expensive in than any other APS-C body ever. I suspect it will be a different kind of animal than we've ever seen from any APS-C camera, in terms of AF, Speed and buffer (although I suspect it will only be a moderate improvement in IQ over the 70D, but time will tell). I think Canon is seeing if they can redefine what an APS-C camera CAN be--and I'm very excited to see how that pans out!

That's my thoughts anyway.

It is a deal breaker, because when I am slogging through the bush with a camera strapped to my back, having a massive body is a decided detriment. Big bodies are for studio use primarily, where size doesn't matter. And if you are in a studio you don't need a crop sensor. If you are out and about, where mobility is important, a large camera body is a problem.

I'm not trying to troll... but have you tried to slog through the bush before with a 1D style body? That extra inch or inch and a half sticking off the camera, in my opinion, don't make a big difference.

Also I don't think an integrated vertical grip is just for studio. It's such a great feature when mounted to a lens with a lens collar that attaches straight to a gimbal or ballhead. It make rotating to portrait very quick and easy to take a photo.

 

[Arkarch]

Not too displeased - and having a 1D top plate does not mean it would have a permanent battery/grip.

I think it comes down to intended market. Sports/wildlife shooters could use a high quality crop alternative to the 1DX. Being ruggedized with sealed buttons with a similar interface to the 1DX might be a selling point to that market.

As to Wi-Fi / GPS, could be a "bump" on the body. Neither feature band requires much antenna, but you dont want to put an antenna inside a "metal Faraday cage".

If rumors true, I see the 7D style we know staying in the domain of the xxD line.

For me, I might consider it, but now that I own a supertele, I really want two FF's - the other running the 70-200 to make sense along the track. But if the IQ is high, maybe I would run the supertele on the 7D II.

 

[wyluncustoms]

HEY.. its june 12th tomorrow.. first official day of WORLD CUP... do you think we are going to see any pictures or mini reviews/ first impressions this week of the 7d2?

 

[dadgummit]

Personally, I'm kind of excited for it the step up to a pro body...although I am finding all of the "Waaaaaa, it won't look like my pre existing APS-C body!" comments highly amusing! Particularly the ones that say it will be a deal breaker, no matter how good it is, if it doesn't have the body format they expect and want. 8)

I think Canon wants to differentiate this from the existing APS-C bodies in a variety of ways, given that it is going to be more expensive in than any other APS-C body ever. I suspect it will be a different kind of animal than we've ever seen from any APS-C camera, in terms of AF, Speed and buffer (although I suspect it will only be a moderate improvement in IQ over the 70D, but time will tell). I think Canon is seeing if they can redefine what an APS-C camera CAN be--and I'm very excited to see how that pans out!

That's my thoughts anyway.

It is a deal breaker, because when I am slogging through the bush with a camera strapped to my back, having a massive body is a decided detriment. Big bodies are for studio use primarily, where size doesn't matter. And if you are in a studio you don't need a crop sensor. If you are out and about, where mobility is important, a large camera body is a problem.

I'm not trying to troll... but have you tried to slog through the bush before with a 1D style body? That extra inch or inch and a half sticking off the camera, in my opinion, don't make a big difference.

Also I don't think an integrated vertical grip is just for studio. It's such a great feature when mounted to a lens with a lens collar that attaches straight to a gimbal or ballhead. It make rotating to portrait very quick and easy to take a photo.

I do not take this as trolling at all, it is just your opinion which is more than welcome here.

Personally I have used a 1D4 and 1DX and I do not like the size nor the weight. I say the same about the rebels for the opposite reason (too small and plastic). I love the metal frame and build of the 50D, 7D and 5D line. But I am also in the camp where I never use a battery grip either. I feel the weight and size are not a worthy price to pay just to change the battery half as often. I have used ungripped bodies for so long that I do not even notice my hand on top of the camera when in portrait mode so I don't think the extra buttons would be an advantage for me.

 

[dadgummit]

HEY.. its june 12th tomorrow.. first official day of WORLD CUP... do you think we are going to see any pictures or mini reviews/ first impressions this week of the 7d2?

I an sure everyone who got their hands on a 7d2 signed some legal documents to not disclose anything.

 

[cosmopotter]

I've said it before, the 7D II will have to surpass the 70D which has been so successful. I'd like to see a 5D MK3 style auto focus and upgraded video features in the 7D. Integrated grip might be interesting but only if there was a reason for it, not just for looks.

 

[Sabaki]

Look, this is all speculation and when Canon announces the specs, it will be what it is.

Personally, this is what I'd like:
1. Integrated grip
2. No pop up flash
3. Dedicated DIGIC processor for AF performance.
4. 100% viewfinder

Typing that, I'm well aware that my wants are essentially pie-in-the-sky as Canon has dedicated designers and engineers who know way more about every single facet of camera technology than I do.

What my gut is telling me is that the 7D2 is going to be the most epic entry in the APS-C segment for the last 5 years.

 

[Marsu42]

So, if this CR1 is true

Please never mention "CR1" and "true" in the same sentence again, people might get confused ...

... but killing the dial makes sense if you don't have all these fancy but useless style programs in the "creative (sic!) zone". With some button customization, I imagine swtiching through Av/Tv/M and some C is quicker if you see the result in the vf and don't have to look up to the 6d-style spin-around top wheel you cannot operate blindly.

 

[zim]

What my gut is telling me is that the 7D2 is going to be the most epic entry in the APS-C segment for the last 5 years.

+1
Not that I'd ever be an early adopter that new 16-35 is much more important to me but getting excited, how many more sleeps? ;D

 

[Arkarch]

HEY.. its june 12th tomorrow.. first official day of WORLD CUP... do you think we are going to see any pictures or mini reviews/ first impressions this week of the 7d2?

I an sure everyone who got their hands on a 7d2 signed some legal documents to not disclose anything.

Everyone be on the lookout for 1DX-type bodies with EF-S lenses!

 

[Tugela]

Personally, I'm kind of excited for it the step up to a pro body...although I am finding all of the "Waaaaaa, it won't look like my pre existing APS-C body!" comments highly amusing! Particularly the ones that say it will be a deal breaker, no matter how good it is, if it doesn't have the body format they expect and want. 8)

I think Canon wants to differentiate this from the existing APS-C bodies in a variety of ways, given that it is going to be more expensive in than any other APS-C body ever. I suspect it will be a different kind of animal than we've ever seen from any APS-C camera, in terms of AF, Speed and buffer (although I suspect it will only be a moderate improvement in IQ over the 70D, but time will tell). I think Canon is seeing if they can redefine what an APS-C camera CAN be--and I'm very excited to see how that pans out!

That's my thoughts anyway.

It is a deal breaker, because when I am slogging through the bush with a camera strapped to my back, having a massive body is a decided detriment. Big bodies are for studio use primarily, where size doesn't matter. And if you are in a studio you don't need a crop sensor. If you are out and about, where mobility is important, a large camera body is a problem.

I'm not trying to troll... but have you tried to slog through the bush before with a 1D style body? That extra inch or inch and a half sticking off the camera, in my opinion, don't make a big difference.

Also I don't think an integrated vertical grip is just for studio. It's such a great feature when mounted to a lens with a lens collar that attaches straight to a gimbal or ballhead. It make rotating to portrait very quick and easy to take a photo.

Historically, those grips were added to film cameras to serve as automated winders so that you could take pictures rapidly in succession. That was a feature primarily used by professional photographers, so it came to be seen as a sign of "professionalism". But, once cameras became digital, those grips no longer served their original purpose, but still serve as a signature of a "professional". That is why they are there, it is primarily for show and as a status symbol. And caters to the macho idea that for a real man, bigger is better. In a practical modern camera it serves no real function, it is just peacock feathers.

 

[Sabaki]

That is why they are there, it is primarily for show and as a status symbol. And caters to the macho idea that for a real man, bigger is better. In a practical modern camera it serves no real function, it is just peacock feathers.

Uhm, no, no it doesn't.

I shoot on a 500D, with a battery grip. The battery grip has a few PRACTICAL features that's appealing to me.
Takes two batteries, I can shoot more comfortably in portrait and the weight/dimensions balances the camera out when using bigger lenses on a tripod.

 

[StudentOfLight]

So, if this CR1 is true

Please never mention "CR1" and "true" in the same sentence again, people might get confused ...

... but killing the dial makes sense if you don't have all these fancy but useless style programs in the "creative (sic!) zone". With some button customization, I imagine swtiching through Av/Tv/M and some C is quicker if you see the result in the vf and don't have to look up to the 6d-style spin-around top wheel you cannot operate blindly.

+1,000,000

I have the 60D and it annoys me to have to move from Manual/Av to movie mode. I have to go through 10 modes that I never use.

A customizable list in firmware is much more practical. That way, if you want "Sports mode" or "Portrait mode" you can put a check next to them in custom function and make them selectable. That way you only have the modes you really want to use (and have quick access to) with no junk modes that waste your time. Plus as others have mentioned better weather sealing with a button.

A touch screen is a possibility if the camera is going to be video-oriented but I'd prefer non-touch screen with fast Wifi for wirelessly tethering. Hopefully we will be able to shoot video from Wifi app.

 

[ahsanford]

But, once cameras became digital, those grips no longer served their original purpose, but still serve as a signature of a "professional". That is why they are there, it is primarily for show and as a status symbol. And caters to the macho idea that for a real man, bigger is better. In a practical modern camera it serves no real function, it is just peacock feathers.

...to you, sir. To you.

People who live in a high-speed theater of photography (wildlife, sports, etc.) are known to lean on their shutters, max out their buffers, etc. These are the most discerning people this camera will be made for -- and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they are fond of grips.

I have a friend who shoots car racing on his 7D and he burns through solo batteries. He'll rack up thousands of shots over a weekend shoot. A grip (for him) means less interruptions to shooting, and his camera wouldn't leave his home without the grip attached.

The 7D2 will not have a grip integral to the design. I am 100% confident of this for the reasons in my earlier message. But many 7D2 users will want one, and it will be offered as an option. That's a lock.

- A

 

[Don Haines]

So, if this CR1 is true

Please never mention "CR1" and "true" in the same sentence again, people might get confused ...

... but killing the dial makes sense if you don't have all these fancy but useless style programs in the "creative (sic!) zone". With some button customization, I imagine swtiching through Av/Tv/M and some C is quicker if you see the result in the vf and don't have to look up to the 6d-style spin-around top wheel you cannot operate blindly.

+1,000,000

I have the 60D and it annoys me to have to move from Manual/Av to movie mode. I have to go through 10 modes that I never use.

A customizable list in firmware is much more practical. That way, if you want "Sports mode" or "Portrait mode" you can put a check next to them in custom function and make them selectable. That way you only have the modes you really want to use (and have quick access to) with no junk modes that waste your time. Plus as others have mentioned better weather sealing with a button.

A touch screen is a possibility if the camera is going to be video-oriented but I'd prefer non-touch screen with fast Wifi for wirelessly tethering. Hopefully we will be able to shoot video from Wifi app.

Yes.... the touch screen is a game changer... either use it like a 1DX or tap the screen.... as touchscreens mature it will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

Us pros typically shoot in one of three modes. Manual, TV, or AV. We don't change these often, and many of us, me included, never change our mode. I always use manual. No point having a giant dial on the camera when most of your users will barely ever, or ever, use it. Much easier to implement a button system at that point. It's all about the economics of scale.

You never need to swap instantly between action and non-action scenarios or stills vs video and back, boom, boom, boom and thus between M,Av,C1-C3,etc.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

EOS-1 style top plate, which means no mode dial.
Pop-up flash, even with the new style top plate.

The mentioned combination seems ridiculous at least.

So they add a "pro" feature while at the same time they add a highly "amateurish" one.

This must be COMPLETE BS!!!!! What is that a Frankenstein camera ? ;D ;D ;D

That or someone at Canon is really sick... :

nothing amateurish about a pop-up flash, you never know if out of nowhere, you need a touch of fill or whatever