A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]

[AvTvM]

Maybe Canon will add a joystick to the grip for the 7DII. I would be surprised to see that though.

I expect the 7D successor to come without integrated grip but with a optional vertical/battery grip.
And I fully expect it to have a [duplicate] joystick for AF-Field selection in vertical orientation.
It'll be a differentiating feature vs. 70D ... BG-E14 has no joystick.

Same as the difference between BG-E11 / 5D 3 with joystick vs. BG-E13 / 6D without.
It's the one thing Canon has truly down to perfection: "marketing differentiation"

 

[pierlux]

do the Magic Guys have to begin again from scratch every time they 'assault' a new model or can the previous work be transferred, in the form of pieces of code or at least expertise, from one camera to another?

No, the basic ML codebase stays the same and is very mature by now - i.e. integrating with Canon DryOS as far as setting props and memory allocation is concerned. The 7d1 has a unique catch though which might also apply to the 7d2: real dual digic-processing (and not just offloading the af to a digic).

That's the reason the 7d1 port didn't get started for some years as it wouldn't boot at all, and even now some features don't work at all. In general, my estimation is one year from "Hello World" on a newer camera to a release which has been tested enough so everything works w/o hiccups. *If* a maintainer for the camera is found, and that's not very likely since it's an unpaid job requiring months of man-work. Btw the 6d is unmaintained right now (but somehow working), and so is the 100d (not working at all).

Thanks a lot!

 

[dolina]

Any word whether it will use a CFast or CF card? I hope it doesn't have issues with any lens that requires a lens to be upgraded.

 

[scyrene]

when the c100, with its 4k technology came out, there was a video about exporting stills from video. It seemed like too much Damn work... review 24000 frames.
Without wanting to open up a whole huge new area of debate, I remain unconvinced about this. I'm hardly wedded to old school methods or technology, I only took up serious bird photography a couple of years ago. And I hope your optimism about tracking and suchlike are well-founded, but I don't relish having to wade through hundreds or thousands of frames to find the ones that aren't motion blurred or otherwise unusable. There has to be an upper limit of what is workable per session - more than a few hundred takes too long to sort through in a day or two, especially if the shots are very similar.

Last week I shot a time lapse with 36,940 frames. I can assure you that going through that many images looking for a particular frame is not a trivial task....

Time lapse is a killer! But so worth it. Did you burn through the shutter life? I only use an old camera for that partly for this reason.

 

[Marsu42]

Time lapse is a killer! But so worth it. Did you burn through the shutter life? I only use an old camera for that partly for this reason.

For lower-res timelapses use Magic Lantern with fps override (it takes a movie for example with 0.1 fps) or intervalometer with silent pix - both use zero shutter cycles and are made just for this purpose.

 

[Don Haines]

when the c100, with its 4k technology came out, there was a video about exporting stills from video. It seemed like too much Damn work... review 24000 frames.
Without wanting to open up a whole huge new area of debate, I remain unconvinced about this. I'm hardly wedded to old school methods or technology, I only took up serious bird photography a couple of years ago. And I hope your optimism about tracking and suchlike are well-founded, but I don't relish having to wade through hundreds or thousands of frames to find the ones that aren't motion blurred or otherwise unusable. There has to be an upper limit of what is workable per session - more than a few hundred takes too long to sort through in a day or two, especially if the shots are very similar.

Last week I shot a time lapse with 36,940 frames. I can assure you that going through that many images looking for a particular frame is not a trivial task....

Time lapse is a killer! But so worth it. Did you burn through the shutter life? I only use an old camera for that partly for this reason.

I was using a GoPro.... filled a 64G memory card!

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

It's quite simple, the mode dial is the weakest part of the top plate. If the camera takes damage to the top plate, then it's very common for this to get smashed. It's not a functional design on the 1D series, it's a robust design.

I've smashed the mode dial once on one of my 5DIII's and the cracked the top LCD too. All the riggors of pro shooting...it happens and that's why I carry a few spare camera bodies.

 

[Austin]

Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

It's quite simple, the mode dial is the weakest part of the top plate. If the camera takes damage to the top plate, then it's very common for this to get smashed. It's not a functional design on the 1D series, it's a robust design.

I've smashed the mode dial once on one of my 5DIII's and the cracked the top LCD too. All the riggors of pro shooting...it happens and that's why I carry a few spare camera bodies.

Plus, as another user posted, you can restrict the modes you use. So, for example, is you never use P mode - cause you're not a loser - you can take it out of the rotation.

AND no mode dial just looks bad-ass. Because having a camera that looks cool is by far the most important, if not the only, reason to invest in a DSLR!

 

[Marauder]

I'm rather surprised no one has captured a picture of a 7D2 at the World Cup yet---if they're really there!

 

[GMCPhotographics]

I'm rather surprised no one has captured a picture of a 7D2 at the World Cup yet---if they're really there!

It probably looks a bit like a short 1Dx so no one's probably noticed yet!

 

[Marauder]

I'm rather surprised no one has captured a picture of a 7D2 at the World Cup yet---if they're really there!

It probably looks a bit like a short 1Dx so no one's probably noticed yet!

Yeah, that could be it! They might not even be marked, or the plates could be obscured. Easier to hide than the 200-400 lens prototypes! LOL

 

[Sporgon]

So, for example, is you never use P mode - cause you're not a loser - you can take it out of the rotation.

P mode can be used as a modified Av mode, in that you can still override the aperture setting and also compensate. Used this way it can be useful. So it's not as much for 'losers' as you might at first think.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

So, for example, is you never use P mode - cause you're not a loser - you can take it out of the rotation.

P mode can be used as a modified Av mode, in that you can still override the aperture setting and also compensate. Used this way it can be useful. So it's not as much for 'losers' as you might at first think.

Av or Tv or M.....there is no other requirement

 

[Steve]

P mode can be used as a modified Av mode, in that you can still override the aperture setting and also compensate. Used this way it can be useful. So it's not as much for 'losers' as you might at first think.

Help me out here - why wouldn't I just use Av mode? I mean, assuming I'm not Ken "The P stands for Professional!" Rockwell.

 

[Don Haines]

So, for example, is you never use P mode - cause you're not a loser - you can take it out of the rotation.

P mode can be used as a modified Av mode, in that you can still override the aperture setting and also compensate. Used this way it can be useful. So it's not as much for 'losers' as you might at first think.

Av or Tv or M.....there is no other requirement

but what if I want to take pictures of green boxes?

 

[AvTvM]

Av or Tv or M.....there is no other requirement

Exactly.

 

[Don Haines]

So the best that I can determine from this and other threads is that the 7d2 will have:

Either an APS-C sensor, APS-H, or FF
The sensor will either be normal, DPAF, or a Foveron type
It will either come gripped or not.
It will have Digic5+, Digic6, or a new processor
It will either be single or dual
The cards will be an undetermined combination of cFast, SD, and compact flash
It will be 12MP, 18MP, 20MP, or 24MP
The frame rate will be 8, 9, 10, 12, 30, or 120FPS
It will not have video features, or it will
It will shoot 4K video, or not
It will have GPS, or not
It will have WiFi, or not
It will have a built in flash, or not
It will have an articulated screen, or not
It will have a touchscreen, or not
It will have a 1DX style top plate, or not

I will sleep better tonight knowing that the specs have been so well defined ..... or not....

 

[Marauder]

So the best that I can determine from this and other threads is that the 7d2 will have:

Either an APS-C sensor, APS-H, or FF
The sensor will either be normal, DPAF, or a Foveron type
It will either come gripped or not.
It will have Digic5+, Digic6, or a new processor
It will either be single or dual
The cards will be an undetermined combination of cFast, SD, and compact flash
It will be 12MP, 18MP, 20MP, or 24MP
The frame rate will be 8, 9, 10, 12, 30, or 120FPS
It will not have video features, or it will
It will shoot 4K video, or not
It will have GPS, or not
It will have WiFi, or not
It will have a built in flash, or not
It will have an articulated screen, or not
It will have a touchscreen, or not
It will have a 1DX style top plate, or not

I will sleep better tonight knowing that the specs have been so well defined ..... or not....

LOL We also know that some will pout and not buy it regardless of how capable it is, to Canon's everlasting sorrow, if it does not follow form factor _________________(fill in the blank). Or more accurately, if it DOES follow form factor _____________. :

 

[privatebydesign]

P mode can be used as a modified Av mode, in that you can still override the aperture setting and also compensate. Used this way it can be useful. So it's not as much for 'losers' as you might at first think.

Help me out here - why wouldn't I just use Av mode? I mean, assuming I'm not Ken "The P stands for Professional!" Rockwell.

People get to the same result via different routes, that is the beauty and complexity of the human mind. I can shoot in any mode and get what I want, to me Av, Tv, M and shiftable P are all the same assuming you also have EV compensation. It doesn't matter how your brain gets there, some people just find it easier to work one way over another.

I started with a shutter priority camera, everything I did was Tv, but I quickly realised that even for situations where shutter speed was a priority and I wanted as fast as a SS as possible it would actually be easier to use Av, just set the aperture to the max value and the SS will end up as high as the situation would allow. My next camera was a multi mode camera, I tried all modes and just found some situations lent themselves to one mode over another.

P mode can be very good, particularly if you are out of your depth, overwhelmed, unsafe, uncomfortable, thinking about other stuff like composition, lighting, the people you are shooting, your second shooter, everybody else in the area etc and particularly if you shoot RAW and have some exposure latitude. Joe Buissink is a $10,000+ a day wedding shooter, he shoots exclusively in P mode. People who deride P mode are idiots, they either don't understand what it is, or think there is some cool factor to "I only shoot in M" nonsense, it is about the pictures, not how you selected the dials on your camera, they only adjust ss, aperture, and iso, but you choose what ss, aperture, and iso.

All modes give you the same amount of control, apart from the green square, and I never owned a camera with one of them.

 

[unfocused]

...People who deride P mode are idiots, they either don't understand what it is, or think there is some cool factor to "I only shoot in M" nonsense, it is about the pictures, not how you selected the dials on your camera, they only adjust ss, aperture, and iso, but you choose what ss, aperture, and iso.

All modes give you the same amount of control, apart from the green square, and I never owned a camera with one of them.

Well said. Although I did use the Green Square today. After a woman handed me her Nikon to take some pictures of her and her family she insisted on taking pictures of my wife and I with my camera. Since it is set to back-button focus, I remembered that the Green Square would override back button focus. So, yes, I do use the Green Square when appropriate.