Another EOS-1D X Mark II Spec List [CR2]

[douglaurent]

If the 1DX II does have 4K 60fps (2K 120fps), I will buy it (although it's an outdated product not being mirrorless, and limited in functionality sadly not having a swivel screen). If it does have 4K 25fps only, i stick with my 1DC, A7R2 and A7S2.

Canon did present the 1DC with 4K and 25fps in 2012 - if they think that their flagship DSLR will work with the same specs until the year 2020, they are wrong. By 2017 Sony will have destroyed their business if they don't wake up and come around with some better specs as well.

 

[bdunbar79]

If the 1DX II does have 4K 60fps (2K 120fps), I will buy it (although it's an outdated product not being mirrorless, and limited in functionality sadly not having a swivel screen). If it does have 4K 25fps only, i stick with my 1DC, A7R2 and A7S2.

Canon did present the 1DC with 4K and 25fps in 2012 - if they think that their flagship DSLR will work with the same specs until the year 2020, they are wrong. By 2017 Sony will have destroyed their business if they don't wake up and come around with some better specs as well.

LMFAO!!!

I love it! EVERY YEAR since 2009 Sony and MILC have been going to end Canon's business. Every year! And here we are. I love it! This stuff never gets old. Then in 2017 when it still hasn't happened there will be something else about Sony and MILC that is going to end Canon's business. Keep it coming!

 

[sanj]

Larger screen is most welcome.

 

[gsealy]

It will most likely still be only as "clean" as what you get out of a 5D3 now or any other DSLR Canon makes, which still has some layer of processing on it compared to, say, Alphas. Sure the Atomos or Odyssey can do ProRes, but if the output still has that "Waxy" look people tend to compare DSLRs with, then it's not as nice. I don't believe you're going to get a "clean" output like you do on the C300.

Yeah this is much more in line with what I've been thinking. Taking that 24MP count up from the t6i, making it FF and DPAF. Even 20MP DPAF (FF flavor of the 7D2) would be fine. Obviously they need to maintain this camera as fast action light monster. Digic 7 was a given. No news there. 15fps, right where it should be. Someone said stronger base plate? Probably? But the all motor mirror of the 5DS? Doubt it. I would think that system, while far quieter and less vibration causing, is also much slower. A spring loaded return seems faster, and 24 MP isn't nearly as sensitive to motion blur as 50MP, so is it really necessary?

I'm sure they're going to find a way to stick in WiFi and GPS. It's the 1DX2. And no, you aren't going to get the same codec as their C300 for 4k but you will get the senor technology from it.

If it supports external recording via clean HDMI, then the recorder can use ProRes as the codec.

Have you used an Atomos? I have with the 5DIII and the Ninja 2. I have never experienced the "waxy" look. The video is sharp and clear and it is at 4:2:2. I have mixed this video with that from the C100 being externally recorded in the same manner and it is impossible to tell which is which once the grading is done.

The only Canon cameras that support clean HDMI out, during recording, to my knowledge are the 5DIII and the 7DII. That is a lot different than recording internally and then using the HDMI port to send the video to an external monitor.

 

[PureClassA]

LOL! "Outdated" because it's not mirrorless. Hilarious!! You know what's "outdated"? All the super fast action shots I missed with an inferior EVF were "outdated" by about a quarter second.

If the 1DX II does have 4K 60fps (2K 120fps), I will buy it (although it's an outdated product not being mirrorless, and limited in functionality sadly not having a swivel screen). If it does have 4K 25fps only, i stick with my 1DC, A7R2 and A7S2.

Canon did present the 1DC with 4K and 25fps in 2012 - if they think that their flagship DSLR will work with the same specs until the year 2020, they are wrong. By 2017 Sony will have destroyed their business if they don't wake up and come around with some better specs as well.

 

[Etienne]

It will most likely still be only as "clean" as what you get out of a 5D3 now or any other DSLR Canon makes, which still has some layer of processing on it compared to, say, Alphas. Sure the Atomos or Odyssey can do ProRes, but if the output still has that "Waxy" look people tend to compare DSLRs with, then it's not as nice. I don't believe you're going to get a "clean" output like you do on the C300.

Yeah this is much more in line with what I've been thinking. Taking that 24MP count up from the t6i, making it FF and DPAF. Even 20MP DPAF (FF flavor of the 7D2) would be fine. Obviously they need to maintain this camera as fast action light monster. Digic 7 was a given. No news there. 15fps, right where it should be. Someone said stronger base plate? Probably? But the all motor mirror of the 5DS? Doubt it. I would think that system, while far quieter and less vibration causing, is also much slower. A spring loaded return seems faster, and 24 MP isn't nearly as sensitive to motion blur as 50MP, so is it really necessary?

I'm sure they're going to find a way to stick in WiFi and GPS. It's the 1DX2. And no, you aren't going to get the same codec as their C300 for 4k but you will get the senor technology from it.

If it supports external recording via clean HDMI, then the recorder can use ProRes as the codec.

Have you used an Atomos? I have with the 5DIII and the Ninja 2. I have never experienced the "waxy" look. The video is sharp and clear and it is at 4:2:2. I have mixed this video with that from the C100 being externally recorded in the same manner and it is impossible to tell which is which once the grading is done.

The only Canon cameras that support clean HDMI out, during recording, to my knowledge are the 5DIII and the 7DII. That is a lot different than recording internally and then using the HDMI port to send the video to an external monitor.

Is HDMI out on the 5DIII sharper than internally recorded? Some people say that the 5DIII is not really 1080p in sharpness, but only about 720p.
If the Atomos 4:2:2 gets a sharper image as well as better color, I'd use it. What is your experience? Any links or reviews on this?

 

[gsealy]

It will most likely still be only as "clean" as what you get out of a 5D3 now or any other DSLR Canon makes, which still has some layer of processing on it compared to, say, Alphas. Sure the Atomos or Odyssey can do ProRes, but if the output still has that "Waxy" look people tend to compare DSLRs with, then it's not as nice. I don't believe you're going to get a "clean" output like you do on the C300.

Yeah this is much more in line with what I've been thinking. Taking that 24MP count up from the t6i, making it FF and DPAF. Even 20MP DPAF (FF flavor of the 7D2) would be fine. Obviously they need to maintain this camera as fast action light monster. Digic 7 was a given. No news there. 15fps, right where it should be. Someone said stronger base plate? Probably? But the all motor mirror of the 5DS? Doubt it. I would think that system, while far quieter and less vibration causing, is also much slower. A spring loaded return seems faster, and 24 MP isn't nearly as sensitive to motion blur as 50MP, so is it really necessary?

I'm sure they're going to find a way to stick in WiFi and GPS. It's the 1DX2. And no, you aren't going to get the same codec as their C300 for 4k but you will get the senor technology from it.

If it supports external recording via clean HDMI, then the recorder can use ProRes as the codec.

Have you used an Atomos? I have with the 5DIII and the Ninja 2. I have never experienced the "waxy" look. The video is sharp and clear and it is at 4:2:2. I have mixed this video with that from the C100 being externally recorded in the same manner and it is impossible to tell which is which once the grading is done.

The only Canon cameras that support clean HDMI out, during recording, to my knowledge are the 5DIII and the 7DII. That is a lot different than recording internally and then using the HDMI port to send the video to an external monitor.

Is HDMI out on the 5DIII sharper than internally recorded? Some people say that the 5DIII is not really 1080p in sharpness, but only about 720p.
If the Atomos 4:2:2 gets a sharper image as well as better color, I'd use it. What is your experience? Any links or reviews on this?

External recording on the Atomos is 4:2:2 and one of the codecs is ProRes HQ at 220 Mpbs. The 5DIII records internally at 4:2:0 with the H.264 codec. There's tons of links and reviews, just a little Googling will find it. IMO sharpness is mostly dependent on the quality of the lens.

 

[applecider]

A larger lcd is good for all the presbyopticals in the crowd whereas a higher pixel density in the screen doesn't help except when magnifying which is good no matter what religion your eyes follow. Though the presbyopticals do get lots of mid life converters.. See ya at 50.

Please wifi and gps and the software to support them on phones and tablets.

 

[TeT]

Not sure I see the benefit of a "slightly larger LCD"....

Obviously you are not blind as a bat from 0 to 18"... bring on the larger screen!!


I had my eyes fixed and lost much of my close vision in the process, so I need reading glasses for some things. Camera LCD within a foot is one of those things...

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Is there a slight chance, that the 5DIV could receive the same sensor, same new sensor tech? I think this would be a wise move by Canon. As there is enough they can leave out to seperate the flagship from their next lower level...less fps, one DIGIC, etc.

I'd say the 5D4 needs the new sensor tech for sure, as well as the 4k video (and not in some DNR'ed up mushy mess, nice, crisp, oversampled A7R II quality, (going 10bits would make them look better than Sony and take the market back boom)) with some basic usability features like zebras, 1:1 zoomed focus box live while shooting, focus peaking. AF has to be at least as good as in the 5D3 (maybe refine some of the slow moving object oscillation issues). It would be nice to get at least 36MP if not 42MP, although I have doubts it will happen. I think the 5Ds was a bit of a waste that will have the markets box them in (OTOH, although it's possible they still don't have the tech to deliver super high MP with high DR and 4k video in high quality).

The fps has to be a true real 8fps if they go with a lower MP count, 6fps is fine if they got to 42MP.

Otherwise no go for me and I shoot most with a7R II and 5D3 when needed and think about Nikon more.

It would be kinda awesome if they simply made the A7R II in 5D3 form instead (and simply using the SOny sensor now that Sony has separate their sensor division and will apparently to sell their best stuff to anyone right off the bat) of having such a beast only possibly available in some sort of Nikon D820 form. So we get all the video of the A7R II (and if they went 10bit they'd also take the market by storm again as the 5D2 had) and the DR and the nice MP count but we also get it with native Canon mount and vastly better AF and the nicer Canon UI and a little bit more fps and buffer. I certainly think that would pretty much absolutely stop anyone from swapping over to Sony/Nikon for bodies (other than for a few who want mirroless itself as a priority too). I mean who would, for what reason then, other than those who want need mirrorless itself.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

Weren't the rumors of the 1Dx claiming "class leading DR"?

Canon also claimed the new cinema cameras had high DR, which they don't, do they?

It would be nice to see. Canon can be slow to react to market changes sometimes, so hopefully they had enough time to address the needs of some of their customers. They seem to have been trying as hard as possible with their latest sensors in getting rid of banding and color shifting when pushing low ISO shadows. So maybe they are concerned over the issue.

If Canon does come out with 14+ stops of DR, what new "critical" topic will people move on to in order to hate Canon.

 

[dolina]

What? No articulating screen or multitouch? I demand a 4K display, pronto! ;D

 

[unfocused]

...If Canon does come out with 14+ stops of DR, what new "critical" topic will people move on to in order to hate Canon...

Having been through a number of these debates with previous generations of Canons, I'm quite certain the trolls will find something to fixate on.

 

[IglooEater]

...If Canon does come out with 14+ stops of DR, what new "critical" topic will people move on to in order to hate Canon...

Having been through a number of these debates with previous generations of Canons, I'm quite certain the trolls will find something to fixate on.

I'm betting it will be color depth. Actually the Nikon d3300 gets a better sports score than the 1dx due to color depth, not dynamic range if I recall correctly. Most nikons have a bit or so more depth than canons (according to dxo of course, who else! ;P) No one can tell the difference, and it is causing trouble for no one to not have that extra bit, but wait and see- it'll be the most important spec out there if Nikon looses there DR advantage

 

[privatebydesign]

...If Canon does come out with 14+ stops of DR, what new "critical" topic will people move on to in order to hate Canon...

Having been through a number of these debates with previous generations of Canons, I'm quite certain the trolls will find something to fixate on.

Mirror.
If it doesn't have a mirror it will be the EVF latency.
Why no 4K.
If it has 4K, then 4K 60 fps.
If it has 4K 60fps then 4K 120fps.
Lack of WiFi.
If it has WiFi it will be battery life.
Bluetooth.
If it has Bluetooth it will be, 'why does it have Bluetooth?'
Colour output.
If it has great colour output it will be the intrinsic limitations of Bayer arrays, 'why doesn't uninnovative Canon come out with a Foveon multilayer design?'
Backfield illumination.
If it has backfield illumination it will be how little difference backfield illumination makes to larger sensors and modest pixel sizes.
How much more 'diffraction limited' 24MP 135 format is compared to 18MP 135 format.
How narrow the AF sensor field is.
Unless it is wide, then it will be how bad contrast detect is for sports and BIF.
Why no flash RF controller built in.
If it is built in then why do I have to pay for it when I never use Canon RF flashes.

The haters will hate. The photographers will love it...........

 

[expatinasia]

any price predictions?

Purely a guess, but I think it will be between US$ 6,000 - 7,000.

Not sure I see the benefit of a "slightly larger LCD".

Perhaps that will allow a new function to be shown the LCD or simply a marketing hype. Probably the latter.

What's wrong with a larger LCD? Really, that's a negative?

Not really a negative, I just do not see the benefit.

Surely it would be better to have more resolution and greater magnification so we can all ensure every shot is spot on. I know I would definitely take greater magnification capability over a mm or two of extra screen, but that's a personal thing, I guess.

 

[Etienne]

It will most likely still be only as "clean" as what you get out of a 5D3 now or any other DSLR Canon makes, which still has some layer of processing on it compared to, say, Alphas. Sure the Atomos or Odyssey can do ProRes, but if the output still has that "Waxy" look people tend to compare DSLRs with, then it's not as nice. I don't believe you're going to get a "clean" output like you do on the C300.

Yeah this is much more in line with what I've been thinking. Taking that 24MP count up from the t6i, making it FF and DPAF. Even 20MP DPAF (FF flavor of the 7D2) would be fine. Obviously they need to maintain this camera as fast action light monster. Digic 7 was a given. No news there. 15fps, right where it should be. Someone said stronger base plate? Probably? But the all motor mirror of the 5DS? Doubt it. I would think that system, while far quieter and less vibration causing, is also much slower. A spring loaded return seems faster, and 24 MP isn't nearly as sensitive to motion blur as 50MP, so is it really necessary?

I'm sure they're going to find a way to stick in WiFi and GPS. It's the 1DX2. And no, you aren't going to get the same codec as their C300 for 4k but you will get the senor technology from it.

If it supports external recording via clean HDMI, then the recorder can use ProRes as the codec.

Have you used an Atomos? I have with the 5DIII and the Ninja 2. I have never experienced the "waxy" look. The video is sharp and clear and it is at 4:2:2. I have mixed this video with that from the C100 being externally recorded in the same manner and it is impossible to tell which is which once the grading is done.

The only Canon cameras that support clean HDMI out, during recording, to my knowledge are the 5DIII and the 7DII. That is a lot different than recording internally and then using the HDMI port to send the video to an external monitor.

Is HDMI out on the 5DIII sharper than internally recorded? Some people say that the 5DIII is not really 1080p in sharpness, but only about 720p.
If the Atomos 4:2:2 gets a sharper image as well as better color, I'd use it. What is your experience? Any links or reviews on this?

External recording on the Atomos is 4:2:2 and one of the codecs is ProRes HQ at 220 Mpbs. The 5DIII records internally at 4:2:0 with the H.264 codec. There's tons of links and reviews, just a little Googling will find it. IMO sharpness is mostly dependent on the quality of the lens.

I was under the impression that the 5D3 video processing didn't deliver the full 1080p resolution. If that's true then the Atomos won't improve sharpness, just color. Which is ok, but if it improves both then that's much better
Can't get a definitive answer on this anywhere.

 

[douglaurent]

If the 1DX II does have 4K 60fps (2K 120fps), I will buy it (although it's an outdated product not being mirrorless, and limited in functionality sadly not having a swivel screen). If it does have 4K 25fps only, i stick with my 1DC, A7R2 and A7S2.

Canon did present the 1DC with 4K and 25fps in 2012 - if they think that their flagship DSLR will work with the same specs until the year 2020, they are wrong. By 2017 Sony will have destroyed their business if they don't wake up and come around with some better specs as well.

LMFAO!!!

I love it! EVERY YEAR since 2009 Sony and MILC have been going to end Canon's business. Every year! And here we are. I love it! This stuff never gets old. Then in 2017 when it still hasn't happened there will be something else about Sony and MILC that is going to end Canon's business. Keep it coming!

Stupid comment. Nobody said that in former years, but the industry developments of the last 6-18 months dramatically changed the landscape. And I know from insider sources that a lot of people at Canon and Nikon are nervous, who always have been relaxed for many years. As owner of 100+x expensive Canon products it's also the last thing that I wish. This is the only reason why i write in such a forum, to help a bit to make the company WAKE UP.

 

[douglaurent]

LOL! "Outdated" because it's not mirrorless. Hilarious!! You know what's "outdated"? All the super fast action shots I missed with an inferior EVF were "outdated" by about a quarter second.

If the 1DX II does have 4K 60fps (2K 120fps), I will buy it (although it's an outdated product not being mirrorless, and limited in functionality sadly not having a swivel screen). If it does have 4K 25fps only, i stick with my 1DC, A7R2 and A7S2.

Canon did present the 1DC with 4K and 25fps in 2012 - if they think that their flagship DSLR will work with the same specs until the year 2020, they are wrong. By 2017 Sony will have destroyed their business if they don't wake up and come around with some better specs as well.

You seem to be a very experienced Sony A7R2 owner who knows what he's talking about. Not.

 

[kevl]

24mpx, now if they maintain the 4mpx gap between the 1dx and the 5d3 that would make the 5d4 28mpx which is right where I'd like it to be.

+1!!!