Besides the EF 85mm f/1.4L IS, What are the Other 3 Lenses Coming?

[ahsanford]

'High-end' plus 'Made in Malaysia' are not consistent with Canon's usual practice...

Lens series made in Malaysia...

If not EF-M, then may be series of EF-S primes or EF primes...

So-called 'high-end' may simply mean large aperture (f/1.8 or faster)...

Nikon has a series of affordable fast FX f/1.8 primes (28/35/50/85)... Does Canon plan to follow suit?

Canon needs to follow suit with Nikon... by delivering something it has already been selling for 20+ years?

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Nikon sure beat Canon to the punch there!

- A

 

[SecureGSM]

I would expect the 85 F1.4 IS Canon lens to be approx. 50% more expensive than the 35 F1.4 II L lens.
same true for the Sigma Art offerings:
35 Art - $900.00
85 Art - $1,350.00
so my guess is: Canon 85 F1.4 IS for around $2,200 - $2,500 at launch.

Any ballpark price on the upcoming 85 f/1.4?

It's time for me to get another fast prime, I haven't owned one since 2013.

$6,333 launch retail.

I didn't know CAD was that low.. ;D ;D ;D
If the lens is optically as stellar as the EF 35 f/1.4ii it will likely be priced similarly compared to Sigma. My guess is about twice of what Sigma charges + IS, so ~$2.5k

In all seriousness, I'd expect it to be around the 35 MkII L price ($1,699), definitely sub $2,000, the 1.2 is only $1,899 and slower with IS is cheaper than faster without.

I truly hope you are right. I am not so optimistic and this may even be the long term replacement of the 1.2.. is just 1/3 stop.

 

[Antono Refa]

Say FF lenses.

If Canon releases a new 85mm f/1.4 lens, it might release a new 50mm f/1.4 to compete with the slew of high end lenses in this spot (Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 Otus, Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art, Nikon 58mm f/1.4G). That would be a high end lens.

There are rumors about upgrades of the TS-E 45mm & 90mm for close to a decade. Those are high end lenses.

Canon could give the 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8, and 100mm f/2 the same treatment as the 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, and 35mm f/2 got.

Hey, I'd be singing Malaysia's praises were that true. But why unleash a horde of EF lenses at an EOS-M release? My money's on a fruit stripes gum of three different colored EF-M lenses.

Rumors are wrong from time to time. E.g. this rumors started as a release of an EF-S 18-55 in three different colors. Possibly, the lenses aren't built in Malaysia.

built in malaysia is pretty much fact. since it was registered for certification as being made there.

it never stated EF-s 18-55 either.

Canon rumors wrote "The EF-S 18-55 f/4-5.6 IS STM in Different Colors", then fixed it.

 

[Triceratops]

Is there any chance of Canon 200-600mm, rumored for quite sometime?

 

[Woody]

Canon needs to follow suit with Nikon... by delivering something it has already been selling for 20+ years?

Optical quality of Canon's very old 28 f/1.8 and 85 f/1.8 leaves much to be desired.

 

[Khalai]

Canon needs to follow suit with Nikon... by delivering something it has already been selling for 20+ years?

Optical quality of Canon's very old 28 f/1.8 and 85 f/1.8 leaves much to be desired.

Nikon introduced a nice 1.8 primes lineup in the last few years. Their 20, 28, 35, 50 and 85 midrange primes are pretty decent for the price. I'd love to see Canon counterparts, but that segment is also contested by Sigma Art lenses, albeit they're more expensive, but also better and faster.

 

[meho1a]

If only after new 85mm the price of 85mm f1.2 ii would drop for 1000$.
and then i woke up

 

[meho1a]

Canon could give the 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8, and 100mm f/2 the same treatment as the 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, and 35mm f/2 got.

The two most "outdated" are the 50f1.4 and 28f1.8.. the 85f1.8 & 100f2.0 much less so, but who wouldn't want improved optics and IS on these two.

So perhaps the 28f1.8, 50f1.4 & 85f1.8

IS all round?

Better mechanics?

Or will they nerf the lot with nano-USM.. yuck!

How about the 20 mm f2.8?
Does anyone miss small ultrawide with possibility of fron filters? I do.

 

[jolyonralph]

These are malaysian-made lenses. Don't get too excited....

 

[Woody]

The two most "outdated" are the 50f1.4 and 28f1.8.. the 85f1.8 & 100f2.0 much less so, but who wouldn't want improved optics and IS on these two.

So perhaps the 28f1.8, 50f1.4 & 85f1.8

IS all round?

Better mechanics?

Or will they nerf the lot with nano-USM.. yuck!

Made in Malaysia... so nano-USM or STM is nearly confirmed...

I won't despise lenses made in Taiwan or Malaysia. After all, the optical quality of the 50 f1/.8 STM (Malaysia) and 18-55 f/4-5.6 IS STM (Taiwan) are rather decent.

 

[rrcphoto]

people are getting way off track here.

if they are Malaysia lenses, they are in the lower end of the spectrum as far as price and lenses.

doens't mean they are trash, but they aren't L's and they aren't higher end 1.8 optics either.

we're talking lenses like the 50mm STM, the 40mm STM the 24mm EF-S STM and some of the EF-M's.

they are made there because they can be made cheaper than in Japan. So we're not talking expensive lenses.

IMO these are either EF-S or EF-M lenses, but I still think it's only one lens for the EF-M and it's three color sequence.

 

[rrcphoto]

Say FF lenses.

If Canon releases a new 85mm f/1.4 lens, it might release a new 50mm f/1.4 to compete with the slew of high end lenses in this spot (Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 Otus, Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art, Nikon 58mm f/1.4G). That would be a high end lens.

There are rumors about upgrades of the TS-E 45mm & 90mm for close to a decade. Those are high end lenses.

Canon could give the 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8, and 100mm f/2 the same treatment as the 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, and 35mm f/2 got.

Hey, I'd be singing Malaysia's praises were that true. But why unleash a horde of EF lenses at an EOS-M release? My money's on a fruit stripes gum of three different colored EF-M lenses.

Rumors are wrong from time to time. E.g. this rumors started as a release of an EF-S 18-55 in three different colors. Possibly, the lenses aren't built in Malaysia.

built in malaysia is pretty much fact. since it was registered for certification as being made there.

it never stated EF-s 18-55 either.

Canon rumors wrote "The EF-S 18-55 f/4-5.6 IS STM in Different Colors", then fixed it.

true. that was CR's on musings. however the original rumor which was from noshita camera, did not have that.

it does however, have made in malaysia - their accuracy on rumors is pretty close to 100%.

 

[ahsanford]

Canon needs to follow suit with Nikon... by delivering something it has already been selling for 20+ years?

Optical quality of Canon's very old 28 f/1.8 and 85 f/1.8 leaves much to be desired.

Sure, they are old, but the prior post had a tone that Canon needed to catch up with Nikon's clever new idea of affordable non-L primes. It's not a new idea -- Nikon's just done it more recently, that's all.

But yes, as I mentioned above, a number of those non-L lenses -- fast28/35/50/85/100 -- could use a refresh. I don't they all will be given one, though. The 50 & 85 need dwarfs the others, IMHO.

- A

 

[redpoint]

Any ballpark price on the upcoming 85 f/1.4?

It's time for me to get another fast prime, I haven't owned one since 2013.

Leaning towards $2k the more I think about it. 'World's first f/1.4 stabilized lens' is something Canon will build some pomp and circumstance around, one would think.

- A

That's basically what I was thinking. $2K USD seems to be the entrance point for nice glass these days.

 

[PHOTOPROROCKIES]

Say FF lenses.

If Canon releases a new 85mm f/1.4 lens, it might release a new 50mm f/1.4 to compete with the slew of high end lenses in this spot (Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 Otus, Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art, Nikon 58mm f/1.4G). That would be a high end lens.

There are rumors about upgrades of the TS-E 45mm & 90mm for close to a decade. Those are high end lenses.

Canon could give the 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8, and 100mm f/2 the same treatment as the 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, and 35mm f/2 got.

Hey, I'd be singing Malaysia's praises were that true. But why unleash a horde of EF lenses at an EOS-M release? My money's on a fruit stripes gum of three different colored EF-M lenses.

- A

How about three colours of 50 mm lens? Black, L beige and L red

Seriously tho, this all sounds a bit fishy. What other high-end does Canon have apart L and DO lenses, which are all made in Utsunomiya factory? Do they really consider e.g. 24 IS or 35 IS high-end lenses? Or do they outsource cheaper L lenses to non-Japan country? Which would contradict everything they've held up so far. Japan pride is not to be taken lightly in this matter.

Oh dear, this is going to be long five weeks

You're getting a little confused, "high end" in the article was pertaining to the 85mm f1.4 L IS not the 3 lenses being made in Malaysia.

 

[Tom W]

I don't know about "high-end" but a series of 3 lenses could cover the replacement of the 50/1.4 - 85/1.8 - 100/2 or even a 135/2.8. Make then with real USM, good IQ, and a nice build like the current 85/1.8 and they'd be good for the long run.

 

[ahsanford]

You're getting a little confused, "high end" in the article was pertaining to the 85mm f1.4 L IS not the 3 lenses being made in Malaysia.

I don't it's Khalai that's getting confused. :

See below from the very first post. This little trio from Malaysia is supposed to be 'high end'. Seems fishy, but perhaps some nice non-L FF lenses might be coming.

- A

 

[Khalai]

That’s a great question and we are only getting very vague answers from people that know what’s coming.
We’re told that the 3 lenses shown in the certification documents are going to be a “series”.
The “series” of lenses has also been described to us as “high-end”.

It's been CR, who stated that.

You're getting a little confused, "high end" in the article was pertaining to the 85mm f1.4 L IS not the 3 lenses being made in Malaysia.

 

[Tom W]

The two most "outdated" are the 50f1.4 and 28f1.8.. the 85f1.8 & 100f2.0 much less so, but who wouldn't want improved optics and IS on these two.

So perhaps the 28f1.8, 50f1.4 & 85f1.8

IS all round?

Better mechanics?

Or will they nerf the lot with nano-USM.. yuck!

That's another possibility - the wide end. 20/2.8, 28/1.8, and 50/1.4. I still prefer USM, with a nice wide focus scale if possible. Some people still use that technology, though very few, I suppose.

 

[Tom W]

I think that if it's a series of lenses, parts-interchangability will be a factor. For example, the same AF system may be shared on all 3 lenses, and maybe even a group of lenses. Kind of like the 85/1.8 and 100/2 are very similar in construction. That's probably harder when the field of view differs a lot, as it does at the wide end. A 20 is much different from a 28, which is again much different from a 50. And the optical formula for all 3 are quite different.

Another possibility might be a series of 3 lenses, but of the same/similar focal length but different mounts. An EF-M, EF-S, and EF version of the 28/1.8 would all have their uses. Granted, the EF would work well on all 3, but an EF-M could easily be more compact due to the shorter backfocus distance of the mirrorless mount. Putting a 28/1.8 EF and adapter on the M5 makes for a fairly large package, whereas a 28 specifically designed for the EF-M would be somewhat smaller.