Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

[raptor3x]

What makes you think I'm taking flash dominated exposures of people up close? I'm often using it for fill, and only occasionally of people.

This.

It seems that those who poo-poo the pop-up flash only think of it as a primary light source when light is low. In such a scenario, of course -- it's awful. I use it in the opposite scenario, though -- modest fill in bright daylight when the subject is back-lit or somewhat shaded. It adds catch lights, too.

Let's not forget that the cool Canon fullframe viewfinder hump would look way less cool if you stuck a pop-up flash on it.

 

[Famateur]

What makes you think I'm taking flash dominated exposures of people up close? I'm often using it for fill, and only occasionally of people.

This.

It seems that those who poo-poo the pop-up flash only think of it as a primary light source when light is low. In such a scenario, of course -- it's awful. I use it in the opposite scenario, though -- modest fill in bright daylight when the subject is back-lit or somewhat shaded. It adds catch lights, too.

Let's not forget that the cool Canon fullframe viewfinder hump would look way less cool if you stuck a pop-up flash on it.

LOL...good point.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

On models with a built-in flash, it also doubles as a strobe for AF assistance.

Back on some of the EOS SLRs, there was a separate red light for that.

With the 1D and 5D series, there is no AF assist at all.

The AF assist on my Elan IIe actually saved my life once when we got stuck out in frigid weather at night with a broken flashlight. We had to navigate a treacherous icy path over a raging river in pure darkness. The lamp was just enough to keep us from stepping in the wrong spots to our deaths. Waiting until morning would have meant certain hypothermia.

How about them apples?

Wow, now there you go!
Can't get a better or more dramatic than this one!

 

[paulrossjones]

Not written in this first spec, but I hope I want USB3 pleeease !!

it has to be- how are you going to move 50mp files? the 7d mk2 has usb3, so my guess it will have it.

paul

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

oh really?
and suppose something unexpected happens and you are close but have no flash and they need a shot and there is terrible back lighting?

If you carry a 1D Pro Series camera and you have no flash you should set up the ISO

How does that fix heavy backlighting? Especially with Canon sensors that have low DR?

If you miss it to a real shoot you should think about your job. Popup-flashes are really useless, they do nothing except of flashing something near to death.

Nonsense. For a little fill, if nothing else is available they are a heck of a lot better than the nothing else available.

Or as I say, maybe you wandering back and it's dark and then out of nowhere a Luna Moth or a tree frog appears, the pop-up can mean zero shot vs a shot. It won't happen often, but it's happened to me three times over the last five years.

Not everyone is always on the job or on a real shoot, but sometimes an urgent call comes in our of nowhere or you run into something unexpected or you are just on vacation and not caring about flash photography but then you suddenly wouldn't mind if a snapshot with a friend had a little fill.

What the what does the pop-up hurt? If you'd rather use nothing than something or only shoot under 100% prepared conditions then simply don't use it!

It's not the problem to have it in the cam, it's the problem that you carry it with the cam for 99% of the time, not using it. You make the body bigger, heavier, more prone to water and the viewfinder is more complicated for a decent 100% view.

popup flash weights like 2 ounces or something

The flash even sucks on your batterylife. You can Put a 270EX on your Body every time you go out.

270EX is a bulky mess to drag around all the time

I did finally get a sunpack which is really small, although it's still easy enough to forget.

Nikon has a flash in the body? Wow. Leica doesn't. And the real Pro Models are D3s and D4 not the D800... guess what. They have no flash 8)

And real pros, not posers, don't brag about how it's so pro and cool that they have no pop-up.

 

[AvTvM]

*** would be flaky when it's in the vertical position. the Wifi would be very directional there too since behind the antenna is metal - and would even have to be even more shielded because of EMI,etc.

Any 1 and 5 series Canon EOS including 5Ds/R does have a top LCD as well, right? Whcih makes at least TWO good spots to place radio communications antennae of all sorts and kinds in all sorts of orientations. Third one could be put around the lens mount bajonet up front .... etc.

Problem solved, next please. ;D

 

[privatebydesign]

Can anybody show me a 'good' photograph where a pop up flash actually made the image? By 'good' I mean an image that has some value other than to the photographer or their family, ie, if a P&S or phone could have taken it then we are just relegating our DSLR's to that level, not lifting our image making to a higher level.

I am not elitist and don't consider this a 'pro' vs 'amateur' argument, but I just cannot see the point of them other than as remote flash controllers, and they are pretty limited for that, besides as we now have the RF system they have even less use.

For instance I always use lens hoods, I cannot think of a lens I own where shadowing would not be an issue. I, for one, don't want a pop up flash on any camera I own for purely practical reasons.

 

[rrcphoto]

*** would be flaky when it's in the vertical position. the Wifi would be very directional there too since behind the antenna is metal - and would even have to be even more shielded because of EMI,etc.

Any 1 and 5 series Canon EOS including 5Ds/R does have a top LCD as well, right? Whcih makes at least TWO good spots to place radio communications antennae of all sorts and kinds in all sorts of orientations. Third one could be put around the lens mount bajonet up front .... etc.

Problem solved, next please. ;D

for *** perhaps. however that still makes wifi very directional.

ideally they would need at least two or three antennas in various areas of the body, to get around the bulky layer of metal that is surrounding most of a modern top end DSLR made by canon or Nikon. A lot of additional shielding and engineering.

Listen if you think it's easy - go patent it because neither canon OR Nikon have added full communications in without a fair amount of plastic in the body.

do you think it's just because canon wanted to that they made the top shell of the 6D entirely out of plastic to support wifi and ***? or that Nikon made the D750 out of polycarbonate to support Wifi as well?

smh..backyard engineers...everything is easy.

 

[Lee Jay]

My son was asleep inside his infant car seat with the cover in place over his head. I saw him smiling in his sleep. I grabbed by 10D, pushed the pop up flash button and fired. This shot could not have been taken with a 550EX (my off-camera flash at the time) because it would have been too tall to fit under that top cover on the car seat. If I had backed away, the cover would have shaded the flash. Of course, the flash also wasn't on the camera at the time since I had just been out side doing something else, and the smile lasted just a couple of seconds.

 

[candyman]

My son was asleep inside his infant car seat with the cover in place over his head. I saw him smiling in his sleep. I grabbed by 10D, pushed the pop up flash button and fired. This shot could not have been taken with a 550EX (my off-camera flash at the time) because it would have been too tall to fit under that top cover on the car seat. If I had backed away, the cover would have shaded the flash. Of course, the flash also wasn't on the camera at the time since I had just been out side doing something else, and the smile lasted just a couple of seconds.

Looks like he is dreaming of the new 5Ds
Very nice photo

 

[Lee Jay]

My son was asleep inside his infant car seat with the cover in place over his head. I saw him smiling in his sleep. I grabbed by 10D, pushed the pop up flash button and fired. This shot could not have been taken with a 550EX (my off-camera flash at the time) because it would have been too tall to fit under that top cover on the car seat. If I had backed away, the cover would have shaded the flash. Of course, the flash also wasn't on the camera at the time since I had just been out side doing something else, and the smile lasted just a couple of seconds.

Looks like he is dreaming of the new 5Ds
Very nice photo

I sure wish I could sleep like that!

 

[Loswr]

My son was asleep inside his infant car seat with the cover in place over his head.

It's a very nice 'family memory' type of image, but if you're posting in response to the below, it doesn't fit.

Can anybody show me a 'good' photograph where a pop up flash actually made the image? By 'good' I mean an image that has some value other than to the photographer or their family, ie, if a P&S or phone could have taken it then we are just relegating our DSLR's to that level, not lifting our image making to a higher level.

 

[Lee Jay]

My son was asleep inside his infant car seat with the cover in place over his head.

It's a very nice 'family memory' type of image, but if you're posting in response to the below, it doesn't fit.

Can anybody show me a 'good' photograph where a pop up flash actually made the image? By 'good' I mean an image that has some value other than to the photographer or their family, ie, if a P&S or phone could have taken it then we are just relegating our DSLR's to that level, not lifting our image making to a higher level.

I have more, but searching for images for which the pop up is used rather than an external is very difficult since both just show up in the EXIF data as "flash fired". I just happened to have that one handy.

 

[AvTvM]

@Lee Jay: really nice image!
Plus it demonstrates very well, how a pop-up flash can not only be "better than nothing" ... but "much better". 8)

 

[privatebydesign]

@Lee Jay: really nice image!
Plus it demonstrates very well, how a pop-up flash can not only be "better than nothing" ... but "much better". 8)

But it doesn't demonstrate how having a pop up flash on a DSLR is any better than having a phone or a P&S.

 

[Marsu42]

@Lee Jay: really nice image!
Plus it demonstrates very well, how a pop-up flash can not only be "better than nothing" ... but "much better". 8)

But it doesn't demonstrate how having a pop up flash on a DSLR is any better than having a phone or a P&S.

Of course it does - if the 5ds would have a pop-up flash, the image would be 50mp - try that with your phone

Can anybody show me a 'good' photograph where a pop up flash actually made the image? By 'good' I mean an image that has some value other than to the photographer or their family

Probably you'll say that any photo one might present cannot be good because it's pop-up flash style ... but I used this flash type for a while in the zoo for insect/snake/... macro shots. If you manage to get around the harsh drop shadow the tiny flash can do nice fill shots, though I admit I'm too lazy to dig one out atm.

The most annoying problem is that the flash reflection in the eye is really ugly, and the flash isn't powerful enough to be used with a round diffuser. After that, I switched to a 430ex2 and used both internal and external flash in conjunction, again the pop-up can do ok for a bit of fill as it's very near the optical axis.

 

[theroadie]

As a primarily studio photographer, I couldn't' be happier with the proposed specs. As long as ISO 100 is clean with a good DR, I see no reason to complain about not having an insane high/noisy ISO (and everything else the early posters were complaining about). Regarding the current rants over popup flash, it seems that a lot of people here are not getting that this is a fairly specialized camera. Much like with the 60Da, Canon is targeting a specific market with these models. This isn't a take-snaps-of-the-family product. It's very much geared towards landscapes and studio work. Both places where extreme detail is king and a popup flash is not needed. Sure Canon could shoe horn one in. Make the hump above the viewfinder a bit bigger and add a few more ounces to an already hefty product (shoot for six hours and tell the that every little ounce isn't a big deal), but why? If someone is going to look at a $3500 professional product and not buy it because it doesn't have feature "x" that most professionals don't use (it may be handy, but a crappy little light is a crappy little light), maybe they need to look at a different product Canon makes several to choose from. No camera will ever please everyone, so why not just try to please the people in the market segment who will actually buy it? Yes, wifi and *** would be nice in certain conditions, but for myself I will gladly forgo a little convenience for quality.

 

[AvTvM]

@Lee Jay: really nice image!
Plus it demonstrates very well, how a pop-up flash can not only be "better than nothing" ... but "much better". 8)

But it doesn't demonstrate how having a pop up flash on a DSLR is any better than having a phone or a P&S.

... not at small web size as shown here. But view the image full size on a 5k iMac display today and it will be better than any smartphone pic ... a lot better! And view it on the 8k TV set and monitors in 2 years. Not to mention those 16k TV sets we'll all have once the little guy turns 18. 8)

 

[Lee Jay]

@Lee Jay: really nice image!
Plus it demonstrates very well, how a pop-up flash can not only be "better than nothing" ... but "much better". 8)

But it doesn't demonstrate how having a pop up flash on a DSLR is any better than having a phone or a P&S.

First of all, a phone doesn't have a flash, it has an LED. A 1/15th of a second burst from an LED doesn't do the same thing as a 1/1000th of a second Xenon flash burst. Second, they are weaker than a P&S flash, which itself is weaker than a pop up (GN 2 or so versus GN 12 or so).

Attached is a recent one. This was taken at full flash power, ISO 1600, f/2.8, 1/5th with a 15mm fisheye on a full-frame camera. Can't do that with a P&S or a phone. The entire central area except that green section was totally unlit and so would have been totally black without the flash.

 

[Lee Jay]

Regarding the current rants over popup flash, it seems that a lot of people here are not getting that this is a fairly specialized camera. Much like with the 60Da, Canon is targeting a specific market with these models. This isn't a take-snaps-of-the-family product. It's very much geared towards landscapes and studio work. Both places where extreme detail is king and a popup flash is not needed.

The regular 5D series is the do-it-all camera (sports, travel, family, studio, etc.). I won't be buying this one but I do have a 5D and would like to buy a 5DIV when it comes out, and a pop up flash is a pretty big feature for me on a camera like that. My 5D is my vacation camera. I bought a little Sunpac flash to make up for the lack of a pop up. It's a hassle to carry, it's not very good (exposure is unreliable), and it's often in the bag because it's this little weak thing that sticks off the shoe and catches on everything, so I keep it out of the way most of the time.