Lee Jay said:
That makes perfect sense, but how often has that sort of Logic driven the Canon marketing department.....
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Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs
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That makes perfect sense, but how often has that sort of Logic driven the Canon marketing department.....
erjlphoto said:Sounds like Canon is moving towards specialty DSLR's rather than a one size fits all.
These two should please the landscape and studio photographer while the mk iv might
Be geared towards action/wildlife, leaving my lowly 6D as just an entry level camera
Only wish the mk iv comes out close on the heals of the 5Ds.
I think the main reason for specialized cameras is to increase sales. If you can not sell to more people then sell more cameras to fewer people.
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Funny how we always rip Canon for not innovating. With what they have released in the last 2 years, they now have:
The highest MP DSLR (5Ds/r)
The widest rectilinear lens (11-24)
The best/most versatile super teles (200-400f/4 w teleconverter built in, 400DO, etc)
Incredibly sharp wide angles (16-35)
Cheap primes with IS (24, 28, 35, etc)
Cheap pancake primes (40, ef-s 24)
It's basically only in the super-fast prime (24, 35, 50, 85) that they have to update to be a leader for the next 10 years. And the 50 or 85 may just not get updated for a while
The highest MP DSLR (5Ds/r)
The widest rectilinear lens (11-24)
The best/most versatile super teles (200-400f/4 w teleconverter built in, 400DO, etc)
Incredibly sharp wide angles (16-35)
Cheap primes with IS (24, 28, 35, etc)
Cheap pancake primes (40, ef-s 24)
It's basically only in the super-fast prime (24, 35, 50, 85) that they have to update to be a leader for the next 10 years. And the 50 or 85 may just not get updated for a while
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Hmmm, still no features like:
- touch screen
- GPS
- Wi-Fi
- NFC
- fast AF in live view
- pop-up flash
I guess Canon believes only people who pay less than $1,000 for a camera deserve those. (Or those who leave them and go Sony.) The more you pay, the less you get. Makes sense, right?
And please don't come with the usual BS "only amateurs need those features" crap. The touch screen on the new 5500D can be used to pick focus points with your thumb when not even in live view. In ten years, every pro camera will have those features. A pro camera should be just as easy to use as a smartphone camera. As long as that's not the case, volumes will keep falling like they have since the first iPhone came out. and CaNikon deserve it.
- touch screen
- GPS
- Wi-Fi
- NFC
- fast AF in live view
- pop-up flash
I guess Canon believes only people who pay less than $1,000 for a camera deserve those. (Or those who leave them and go Sony.) The more you pay, the less you get. Makes sense, right?
And please don't come with the usual BS "only amateurs need those features" crap. The touch screen on the new 5500D can be used to pick focus points with your thumb when not even in live view. In ten years, every pro camera will have those features. A pro camera should be just as easy to use as a smartphone camera. As long as that's not the case, volumes will keep falling like they have since the first iPhone came out. and CaNikon deserve it.
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really glad to see canon join the present. Suddenly everybody will now think MP matters again . off course we all knew it was just Nikon/Sony envy and that the MP race isn't over at all.
This is indeed fantastic news. I can't wait to see sony's response too. good times.
. off course we all knew it was just Nikon/Sony envy and that the MP race isn't over at all. This is indeed fantastic news. I can't wait to see sony's response too. good times.
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AA said:I guess Canon believes only people who pay less than $1,000 for a camera deserve those. (Or those who leave them and go Sony.) The more you pay, the less you get. Makes sense, right?
Obviously Canon is dropping their linear strategy with "more expensive is better" - you're supposed to buy multiple cameras, or ideally a high fps 7d2, a high mp 5ds and a low light 6d
psolberg said:really glad to see canon join the present. Suddenly everybody will now think MP matters again
Time to dig out "18mp is plenty 'nuff" and "only Nikon trolls need a d800" posts of future enthusiastic 5ds owners :->
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"EOS iTR AF"
Is this the eye-tracking autofocus feature I've heard people been clamoring for, or is this something that is already currently available in other cameras?
Is this the eye-tracking autofocus feature I've heard people been clamoring for, or is this something that is already currently available in other cameras?
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kphoto99 said:erjlphoto said:Sounds like Canon is moving towards specialty DSLR's rather than a one size fits all.
These two should please the landscape and studio photographer while the mk iv might
Be geared towards action/wildlife, leaving my lowly 6D as just an entry level camera
Only wish the mk iv comes out close on the heals of the 5Ds.
I think the main reason for specialized cameras is to increase sales. If you can not sell to more people then sell more cameras to fewer people.
I dunno. Is the reason we have dozens of different lenses to choose from because they cynically want us to buy more, or because they know the small number of people who buy several lenses want the best tool for each job? Try using a kit lens for specialist purposes (high mag macro, sport/wildlife, low light, etc).
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erjlphoto said:Sounds like Canon is moving towards specialty DSLR's rather than a one size fits all.
These two should please the landscape and studio photographer while the mk iv might
Be geared towards action/wildlife, leaving my lowly 6D as just an entry level camera
Only wish the mk iv comes out close on the heals of the 5Ds.
The 6D as en "entry level camera" is still very capable! Plus, think of how much hard drive space you're saving. Do you really need 50.6 MP? I certainly do not as far as I know.
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AA said:Hmmm, still no features like:
- touch screen
- GPS
- Wi-Fi
- NFC
- fast AF in live view
- pop-up flash
I guess Canon believes only people who pay less than $1,000 for a camera deserve those. (Or those who leave them and go Sony.) The more you pay, the less you get. Makes sense, right?
And please don't come with the usual BS "only amateurs need those features" crap. The touch screen on the new 5500D can be used to pick focus points with your thumb when not even in live view. In ten years, every pro camera will have those features. A pro camera should be just as easy to use as a smartphone camera. As long as that's not the case, volumes will keep falling like they have since the first iPhone came out. and CaNikon deserve it.
As far as no popup flash is concerned, it's certainly contentious but is a deliberate decision on Canon's part. It doesn't bother me much, but it's a valid criticism.
As for GPS/wifi etc, some people claim it's harder in sealed metal bodies. Assuming that's true, they have every right to prioritise ruggedness and reliability over convenience for pro gear.
And you *can* buy external flashes, GPS, and wifi memory cards.
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bereninga said:erjlphoto said:Sounds like Canon is moving towards specialty DSLR's rather than a one size fits all.
These two should please the landscape and studio photographer while the mk iv might
Be geared towards action/wildlife, leaving my lowly 6D as just an entry level camera
Only wish the mk iv comes out close on the heals of the 5Ds.
The 6D as en "entry level camera" is still very capable! Plus, think of how much hard drive space you're saving. Do you really need 50.6 MP? I certainly do not as far as I know.
I agree with the specialty camera idea. And having two different models leaves me in a quandary as in which one do I buy, cause I sure couldn't buy two! There are trade-offs with each version. Then there is that ISO thing. And do I need the crop feature when I have other crop cameras already?
The bottom line is that for me the 5DIII is perfectly fine, and great actually. It can do a lot of things and handle many, many situations with excellent quality. It just seems that for me, right now, the 5DIII represents a lot more value for the money.
Maybe there is more to the story than we know.
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First things first. Clean up my file-keeping and ratings. Upgrade that dang computer! I have been happy with it, but it is a 2010 pre-Retina MacBookPro. Granted, it's pretty fast with well-designed programs like AutoPanoGiga, but it has only been crunching 18 to 20 MP files.
Canon may be recognizing that the (U.S.) market is segmenting into 1. the non-technically minded, screen-quality-only masses, currently heading rapidly to cellphone-ography ; 2. well-off enthusiasts and pros who are looking for a single all-around camera with good low light capability (6D, 5D3, 1DX in increasing complexity) and some relatively automated video capacity (PDAF should be on the 5D4 at least) 3. well-off enthusiasts and pros who have specialty interests (sports, wildlife = burst speed; architecture, studio, landscape = high MP) and are willing to buy specialty cameras in addition to their likely general-use camera. Making "specialty" cameras is one way to deal with the decreasing interest of the masses and still keep selling cameras to that segment of the gear-oriented population with disposable income and the far smaller number of specialized pros. It really is the only way for Canon to proceed in a relatively mature product line appealing primarily to stills photographers. Most general purpose photography camera users are going to conclude that the body they have is good enough for almost anything they do, and get off the camera body upgrade cycle, and Canon hopes, on to the more lenses cycle.
Canon may be recognizing that the (U.S.) market is segmenting into 1. the non-technically minded, screen-quality-only masses, currently heading rapidly to cellphone-ography ; 2. well-off enthusiasts and pros who are looking for a single all-around camera with good low light capability (6D, 5D3, 1DX in increasing complexity) and some relatively automated video capacity (PDAF should be on the 5D4 at least) 3. well-off enthusiasts and pros who have specialty interests (sports, wildlife = burst speed; architecture, studio, landscape = high MP) and are willing to buy specialty cameras in addition to their likely general-use camera. Making "specialty" cameras is one way to deal with the decreasing interest of the masses and still keep selling cameras to that segment of the gear-oriented population with disposable income and the far smaller number of specialized pros. It really is the only way for Canon to proceed in a relatively mature product line appealing primarily to stills photographers. Most general purpose photography camera users are going to conclude that the body they have is good enough for almost anything they do, and get off the camera body upgrade cycle, and Canon hopes, on to the more lenses cycle.
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I'm kinda wondering why no one is addressing the elephant in the room, video. I can't imagine Canon going the Nikon Df route and excluding it altogether, but will they make it impressive or an afterthought? This camera certainly has the processing power (and croppable resolution) for 4K video (although who knows about the heat-dispersion capability ala 1D C), but I highly doubt that Canon will actually put 4K video in a camera that, as some have suggested, will retail around $3500 US. Thoughts?
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jiphoto said:
I was definitely thinking about too. We will see. I would be surprised to see 4K in one of these cameras given that the C100, a true video camera costing $5K+, does not. It seems, just seems, that these cameras are tailored to the specialty still markets.
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For those bemoaning the lack of pop-up flash, yes, on-board commander unit is a great idea, but I just hate the look of pop-up flash used as main light source. It's a "desperation" light source for snapshots.
On board commander unit now should be an RF unit, not optical pre-flashing unit. The market has spoken, and there are abundant very inexpensive third party radio commanders and flashes available. Canon could capture some flash business back by running the command through the menu and viewfinder (integral to camera, in other words), and providing a less expensive and slightly less powerful RF slave only unit analogous to the 430 EXII in addition to the 600 RF commander/slave unit they currently sell. On board command should include wake-ups, 4 or 5 groups instead of 3 (not that a lot of people actually use more than 3 groups), ETTL and manual mode control of each group from the camera, ability to mix ETTL and manual groups, etc
On board commander unit now should be an RF unit, not optical pre-flashing unit. The market has spoken, and there are abundant very inexpensive third party radio commanders and flashes available. Canon could capture some flash business back by running the command through the menu and viewfinder (integral to camera, in other words), and providing a less expensive and slightly less powerful RF slave only unit analogous to the 430 EXII in addition to the 600 RF commander/slave unit they currently sell. On board command should include wake-ups, 4 or 5 groups instead of 3 (not that a lot of people actually use more than 3 groups), ETTL and manual mode control of each group from the camera, ability to mix ETTL and manual groups, etc
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Any thoughts on lens performance? Will the higher resolution push the capabilities of the current L series? No mention of new lenses, except for the 11-24. Hopefully the top of the line "L" glass will match the possible stellar resolution of this new chip.
Anyone interested in a Sony A7r and Metabones EF adapter?
Anyone interested in a Sony A7r and Metabones EF adapter?
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