Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

[Photo_e]

FPS and Flash Sync Speed

I wonder why they aren't able to increase the flash sync speed past 1/200. Would the only reason for this be that the shutter / mirror assembly isn't fast enough? If that is the case and the camera has a relatively slow mirror, maybe we shouldn't hope for faster fps in crop modes either.

 

[JonB8305]

Re: FPS and Flash Sync Speed

I wonder why they aren't able to increase the flash sync speed past 1/200. Would the only reason for this be that the shutter / mirror assembly isn't fast enough? If that is the case and the camera has a relatively slow mirror, maybe we shouldn't hope for faster fps in crop modes either.

1/200 is very disappointing for a studio body, where sync speeds are important.

 

[Pag]

I'm surprised at the lack of wifi and GPS. Wifi is useful in the studio (for wireless tethering) and GPS is useful to landscape photographers, the two types of photographers the 5Ds seems to target. Not a deal breaker (the price, however...) but they would have been nice features.

 

[benperrin]

I am surprised that the rumors that have subsequently been denied receiving such a meaning, the man behind the cameras rumours one with with aa filter and one without having renounced these facts and explained it as a joke

That's if it actually was the person who submitted the rumour. Most likely the person is just trolling everyone. But all this debate on specs that are most likely inaccurate, is getting a little silly. We all just need to wait a little while longer to see what the real specs are.

 

[flairolini]

So a RAW file will be what..60-70mb?

If we are playing guess the price I am saying $6490

 

[jeffa4444]

Wow, such strong words.

Phase One doesn't use an anti-alias filter and they don't have a bad reputation.

On the contrary, they've got perhaps the best reputation.

So I don't follow your logic.

I do data acquisition for a living. I spend a lot of time thinking about bandwidth, sampling and anti-aliasing. Some of the things I measure make anti-aliasing very difficult. If I collect data without proper anti-aliasing people can't publish much when it comes to analyzing my data because there's no way to know if the data is accurate except in the mean. So I'm very familiar with the lies being told by a sampling system that doesn't do proper anti-aliasing in the analog domain. The idea of paying extra to NOT get that is just idiotic to me. I often pay $700 per channel (often for hundreds of channels) for high-quality anti-aliasing filters.

Why would Canon have been putting such an expensive component into every SLR they make since they started making them if they were not only not useful, but harmful?

AA filters are not born equal and it would be wrong to assume they are a cure all they are not. Red Camera for the Epic Dragon do three different types for instance. AA filters as we know reduce resolution but they also can affect colorimagery or impart magenta casts or shift the focus point of some lenses. What I will say is all motion picture cameras have them and for good reason getting rid of aliasing or moire patterns is not an easy task and made worse at 24fps and a panning camera.
If this camera is focused on stills rather than video and the highest resolution then I understand why but I would not buy without an AA fitted.

 

[Famateur]

The idea of paying extra to NOT get that is just idiotic to me.

I'm still irked that if I ask for extra pickles on my hamburger, I pay extra, but they won't drop the price if I ask to hold the onions. If I had to pay extra to hold the onions, that would be idiotic, too!

From a business perspective, this is great for Canon (as long as implementation is as good as it can be). Whether or not people are paying for hype or actual added value doesn't much matter, as long as they're paying. Lower production cost and higher market equilibrium price just means more profit.

Canon (in the voice of Bart Simpson): "I'd be stupid not to do this!"

 

[Loswr]

The AA filter is a grid on top of the sensor but the grid spacing is different to that of the sensor's. Light that hits the grid material is lost.

Consistent with your technical knowledge, your explanation isn't even close to the truth.

Lightroom and Photoshop have a "moire removal" tool.

I suppose you think they actually remove moiré, too. :

 

[Loswr]

150,000 pixel RGB-TR metering sensor
252 zone TTL metering

I don't get this. I thought the 150,000 pixel metering sensor replaced the 35 zone (and similar) metering sensors. Why would this be specified twice?

Wondered the same thing

It is an improved 1D X metering system, the same in the 7D MkII, the 150000 pixels are divided into the 252 zones for a greater coverage. You can read more about it now in 7D Mk II reviews or Canon information pages.

If you look at the specifications on Canon's own Canon 1D X page:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_1d_x#Specifications

... you'll see they also say: "252-zone metering with approx. 100,000-pixel RGB AE sensor and TTL maximum aperture metering employed."

In low light it uses a zone system, binning pixels to increase sensitivity.

 

[privatebydesign]

Zone system with a digital sensor, tell me who does that work?

It works just as it did with film, though that isn't what neuro was talking about. He was referring to the fact that the metering system divides the scene into 252 separate areas that it analyzes, along with RGB data from 100,000 pixels, to try to intelligently work out optimal exposure.

 

[paulrossjones]

Re: FPS and Flash Sync Speed

I wonder why they aren't able to increase the flash sync speed past 1/200. Would the only reason for this be that the shutter / mirror assembly isn't fast enough? If that is the case and the camera has a relatively slow mirror, maybe we shouldn't hope for faster fps in crop modes either.

1/200 is very disappointing for a studio body, where sync speeds are important.

isn't that a 3rd of a stop?

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: FPS and Flash Sync Speed

I wonder why they aren't able to increase the flash sync speed past 1/200. Would the only reason for this be that the shutter / mirror assembly isn't fast enough? If that is the case and the camera has a relatively slow mirror, maybe we shouldn't hope for faster fps in crop modes either.

1/200 is very disappointing for a studio body, where sync speeds are important.

In what studio? The only need for faster sync speeds in a studio is to minimise the ambient, the studio is the one place where you have complete control of the ambient.

 

[dolina]

Not that excited over the specifications. I hope the rumored 3rd body this Friday is a 5D Mark IV.

Rather than the 5D Mark IV being announced August.

 

[vjlex]

Re: FPS and Flash Sync Speed

In what studio? The only need for faster sync speeds in a studio is to minimise the ambient, the studio is the one place where you have complete control of the ambient.

Such a slow sync speed makes it difficult to shoot with wide apertures which I sometimes would prefer using. Especially since I have such a small studio space which limits the amount of background blur I can do at higher F-stops.

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: FPS and Flash Sync Speed

In what studio? The only need for faster sync speeds in a studio is to minimise the ambient, the studio is the one place where you have complete control of the ambient.

Such a slow sync speed makes it difficult to shoot with wide apertures which I sometimes would prefer using. Especially since I have such a small studio space which limits the amount of background blur I can do at higher F-stops.

The difference between 1/200th and 1/250th is the difference between f/4.5 and f/4. In other words, not much.

 

[starship]

5Ds: WiFi anyone? even my radiators do support wifi...

WiFi anyone? even my radiators do support wifi...

come on, canon. it´s 2015. nobody want´s to mount an extra big wifi-dongle for 700$ to get the functionality of a 1$ semicon.

let´s hope, this canon-sensor has a sony-style dynamic range, at least.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: FPS and Flash Sync Speed

In what studio? The only need for faster sync speeds in a studio is to minimise the ambient, the studio is the one place where you have complete control of the ambient.

Such a slow sync speed makes it difficult to shoot with wide apertures which I sometimes would prefer using. Especially since I have such a small studio space which limits the amount of background blur I can do at higher F-stops.

That makes no sense, in your studio why can't you get the ambient below 1/200, 100iso and f1.2, or around EV8-9? I can understand not being able to turn your flashes down low enough in a small space at that aperture, but I can't understand not controlling your ambient.

 

[Jesse]

So... when's the firmware that adds 24fps coming out?

 

[Lee Jay]

The AA filter is a grid on top of the sensor but the grid spacing is different to that of the sensor's. Light that hits the grid material is lost.

Consistent with your technical knowledge, your explanation isn't even close to the truth.

Lightroom and Photoshop have a "moire removal" tool.

I suppose you think they actually remove moiré, too. :

Well of course it does.

I mean if it didn't then Adobe would be lieing.

It works like Liquefy - makes fat people look skinny, even though they really aren't.

 

[Khufu]

Apologies if this has been covered on each and every one of the past 346 pages but is this correct in a way I'm totally not getting?:

- 50.6mp full frame CMOS
- 53mp total resolution

Sounds like something to upset the RAW-mongers!