Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

[WorkonSunday]

is the new 11-24mm still rumored to be 3000 USD? :-[

 

[benperrin]

oh really?

and suppose something unexpected happens and you are close but have no flash and they need a shot and there is terrible back lighting?

it's happened to me and others and it was interesting to see all the pros asking to borrow the xxD people had for the shot and tossing their 1D's to the side

or maybe you are on a trip and mostly taking landscapes but then want a few shots with friends now and then and don't wanna be dragging a flash along, just one more thing to be a menace and a drag

great if you happen to run around EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME, with a reflector

maybe you are coming back at night and suddenly a tree frog pops out?

maybe the Stanley Cup came for a secret visit without prior announcement and they want one pick and everyone is backlit and it has to be taken in that direction and you were not on call but happened to just have your camera with you but no flash and nobody else was close enough to make it in time? I was sure glad I was still using an xxD camera then and, for the record, so was the other guy who showed up and tossed his 1D aside and used my xxD for his shot too. He didn't thumb his nose at the xxD and get all snooty and ridiculous, he was just like awesome, this is great, gotta love the pop-up, all cameras should have this.

etc.

I would go back and forth with you all night but I don't think it would get us very far. There are solutions to all of those problems and I don't think the popup flash is the correct one.

When considering light we have to remember 3 main factors; quality, quantity and direction. A popup flash can only address the issue of quantity, which stills leaves poor quality and bad direction. Is that acceptable to you as a photographer? It might well be and that is totally fine but for me (and this doesn't have to apply to anyone else) I find that light to be lacking. YMMV.

Anyway, it's all a pointless discussion. Canon won't include a popup flash on the 5d and 1d series anyway.

 

[Lee Jay]

oh really?

and suppose something unexpected happens and you are close but have no flash and they need a shot and there is terrible back lighting?

it's happened to me and others and it was interesting to see all the pros asking to borrow the xxD people had for the shot and tossing their 1D's to the side

or maybe you are on a trip and mostly taking landscapes but then want a few shots with friends now and then and don't wanna be dragging a flash along, just one more thing to be a menace and a drag

great if you happen to run around EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME, with a reflector

maybe you are coming back at night and suddenly a tree frog pops out?

maybe the Stanley Cup came for a secret visit without prior announcement and they want one pick and everyone is backlit and it has to be taken in that direction and you were not on call but happened to just have your camera with you but no flash and nobody else was close enough to make it in time? I was sure glad I was still using an xxD camera then and, for the record, so was the other guy who showed up and tossed his 1D aside and used my xxD for his shot too. He didn't thumb his nose at the xxD and get all snooty and ridiculous, he was just like awesome, this is great, gotta love the pop-up, all cameras should have this.

etc.

I would go back and forth with you all night but I don't think it would get us very far. There are solutions to all of those problems and I don't think the popup flash is the correct one.

Correct or not, it might be the only one. Again, would you rather have nothing, or something?

Anyway, it's all a pointless discussion. Canon won't include a popup flash on the 5d and 1d series anyway.

Which is stupid of them. The Nikon D800 series has one.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

On models with a built-in flash, it also doubles as a strobe for AF assistance.

Back on some of the EOS SLRs, there was a separate red light for that.

With the 1D and 5D series, there is no AF assist at all.

The AF assist on my Elan IIe actually saved my life once when we got stuck out in frigid weather at night with a broken flashlight. We had to navigate a treacherous icy path over a raging river in pure darkness. The lamp was just enough to keep us from stepping in the wrong spots to our deaths. Waiting until morning would have meant certain hypothermia.

How about them apples?

 

[Marsu42]

The pop up flash is pure garbage. An on camera small light source is always a bad idea even as an optical flash trigger. There is no point in including this on a professional camera.

There you go - whatever makes you think a 6d (or 5d2, 5d3) is a "professional" camera? What would be the pro:amateur ratio with these - maybe 1:10000? Nikon has it on their ff cameras, so they probably aren't "pro"

I agree that the pop-up flash isn't usable for a lot of situations (esp. too weak for bounce), but I've come to like it as a quick optical master or af assist on my 60d - sometimes even the flash being near the optical axis is an advantage for fill.

The AF assist on my Elan IIe actually saved my life once when we got stuck out in frigid weather at night with a broken flashlight.

Probably material for a Nikon marketing campaign as in "death by lack of Canon ff features" ... but I know the use of the pop-up flash, too, as I used to flash my way around pitch black cellars when I didn't have another light source with me.

 

[vscd]

oh really?
and suppose something unexpected happens and you are close but have no flash and they need a shot and there is terrible back lighting?

If you carry a 1D Pro Series camera and you have no flash you should set up the ISO If you miss it to a real shoot you should think about your job. Popup-flashes are really useless, they do nothing except of flashing something near to death. It's not the problem to have it in the cam, it's the problem that you carry it with the cam for 99% of the time, not using it. You make the body bigger, heavier, more prone to water and the viewfinder is more complicated for a decent 100% view. The flash even sucks on your batterylife. You can Put a 270EX on your Body every time you go out.

Nikon has a flash in the body? Wow. Leica doesn't. And the real Pro Models are D3s and D4 not the D800... guess what. They have no flash 8)

 

[AvTvM]

oh really?
and suppose something unexpected happens and you are close but have no flash and they need a shot and there is terrible back lighting?

If you carry a 1D Pro Series camera and you have no flash you should set up the ISO If you miss it to a real shoot you should think about your job. Popup-flashes are really useless, they do nothing except of flashing something near to death. It's not the problem to have it in the cam, it's the problem that you carry it with the cam for 99% of the time, not using it. You make the body bigger, heavier, more prone to water and the viewfinder is more complicated for a decent 100% view. The flash even sucks on your batterylife. You can Put a 270EX on your Body every time you go out.

Nikon has a flash in the body? Wow. Leica doesn't. And the real Pro Models are D3s and D4 not the D800... guess what. They have no flash 8)

quite funny to argue with size constraints for a tiny pop-up flash with respect to a BEHEMOTH Canon EOS 1D body. ;D

As far as "professional" is concerned, I would expect either a (optical master capable) pop-up flash in any (large) DSLR body OR since we are in 2015 and talking about Canon ... an even tinier RT-radio wireless commander built right into the camera. Ideally in addition to pop-up flash, since the RT commander cannot provide fill flash capability in a pinch nor AF assist in a pinch.

That's what I would consider "professional". And it would be UNIQUE for Canon. No Nikon or Sony has a RT flash system. ANd more 600EX-RTs would probably be sold ... 8)

 

[Marsu42]

quite funny to argue with size constraints for a tiny pop-up flash with respect to a BEHEMOTH Canon EOS 1D body. ;D

Good observation and it proves that people go to some lengths to rationalize their current idea of what's "pro" and valuable.

That's what I would consider "professional". And it would be UNIQUE for Canon. No Nikon or Sony has a RT flash system. And more 600EX-RTs would probably be sold ... 8)

The only reason apart from simply money grabbing I can come up with that it's difficult or near-impossible to build in an rt transmitter into the camera body. Remember that the flash sync *relies* on 100% valid split-second communication over potentially large distances, it's not like wifi "wait and re-transmit" or "update every other minute" gps. Yongnuo has shown how not to do it with their dodgy st-e3 clone, and they've certainly tried...

 

[AvTvM]

Yongnuo and other "reverse engineering" Chinese manufacturers cannot possibly serve as a benchmark for what Canon might be able to built into their cameras ...

I can see no reason for not building a fully-blown "COMM" module into large DSLR bodies. With the following components, ALL of them - as in many small smartphones:
* WiFi - latest mainstream iteration (currently ac)
* NFC
* GPS
* Canon only: RT commander
all of them separatly switchable by user, of course.
Antenna/s: always built into LCD bezel/frame on rear of camera. More than enough spacxe there. And no shielding metal either.

And one version, in which the power cable to the COM module is not built in. For those markets where odd-ball communications laws and ferquency crap make communicating devices "illegal".

Problem solved, next please!

 

[Marsu42]

Yongnuo and other "reverse engineering" Chinese manufacturers cannot possibly serve as a benchmark for what Canon might be able to built into their cameras ...

Sure, but it does serve as an example that after due consideration, "unreliable" can be considered worse than "not at all".

Antenna/s: always built into LCD bezel/frame on rear of camera. More than enough spacxe there. And no shielding metal either.

They should then put sviwel screens into their "pro" cameras after all, if you fan it out it should improve the connection

 

[weixing]

Hi,

I can see no reason for not building a fully-blown "COMM" module into large DSLR bodies. With the following components, ALL of them - as in many small smartphones:
* WiFi - latest mainstream iteration (currently ac)
* NFC
* GPS
* Canon only: RT commander
all of them separatly switchable by user, of course.
Antenna/s: always built into LCD bezel/frame on rear of camera. More than enough spacxe there. And no shielding metal either.

And one version, in which the power cable to the COM module is not built in. For those markets where odd-ball communications laws and ferquency crap make communicating devices "illegal".

Problem solved, next please!

If you built in the LCD bezel/frame, only the rear is free of obstruction and shielding... the wifi might not work properly if you are in front of the camera and GPS might take very long to get a position lock. IMHO, people will probably complaint if you don't include the features, but if you include the features and it's not working properly, people will curse and swear... IMHO, if you cannot guarantee it'll work properly, it's better not to have it in the first place.

Have a nice day.

 

[whitedjp]

I'm so excited to see this camera being released soon, it will probably be my upgrade I use for a long time I am super excited with almost all of the specs released but the one thing that I feel slightly disappointed about is the autofocus system. It looks to me that Canon might be tweaking the 5d3 autofocus for this body :s Although I think the 5d3 autofocus is no slouch whatsoever, after seeing the comparisons for the 5d3 and 7d2 for focusing from Digitalrev, I really hope they would extend it to a premium camera of this sort! Im going to be one poor uni student in a couple months

 

[calotype]

Not written in this first spec, but I hope I want USB3 pleeease !!

 

[scyrene]

Although I've done without on-camera flash for a couple of years, it does have one advantage: its internally powered. Whatever its other drawbacks, and there are many, it doesn't require you carrying AA batteries or a separate charger. Of course the flipside is I guess it drains the camera battery quicker.

The 90EX is a great little unit for triggering other flashes, or as an emergency light source akin to in-camera flash, but its battery life is so terrible (taking size AAA) that its usefulness is really limited imho.

 

[rrcphoto]

Yongnuo and other "reverse engineering" Chinese manufacturers cannot possibly serve as a benchmark for what Canon might be able to built into their cameras ...

I can see no reason for not building a fully-blown "COMM" module into large DSLR bodies. With the following components, ALL of them - as in many small smartphones:
* WiFi - latest mainstream iteration (currently ac)
* NFC
* GPS
* Canon only: RT commander
all of them separatly switchable by user, of course.
Antenna/s: always built into LCD bezel/frame on rear of camera. More than enough spacxe there. And no shielding metal either.

And one version, in which the power cable to the COM module is not built in. For those markets where odd-ball communications laws and ferquency crap make communicating devices "illegal".

Problem solved, next please!

GPS would be flaky when it's in the vertical position. the Wifi would be very directional there too since behind the antenna is metal - and would even have to be even more shielded because of EMI,etc.

 

[Famateur]

What makes you think I'm taking flash dominated exposures of people up close? I'm often using it for fill, and only occasionally of people.

This.

It seems that those who poo-poo the pop-up flash only think of it as a primary light source when light is low. In such a scenario, of course -- it's awful. I use it in the opposite scenario, though -- modest fill in bright daylight when the subject is back-lit or somewhat shaded. It adds catch lights, too.

 

[Famateur]

Even for fill it is terrible. Use a reflector or modified flash off camera and the results are a lot better. Small light source in relation to the subject = harsh ugly light.

Yes, the larger the source in relation to the subject, the softer the light. However, there's more to light quality than relative size. Intensity is another factor. When using pop-up flash for fill, turn down the intensity. You can add enough light to a back-lit or slightly shaded subject to brighten it without adding harsh shadows.

Sure, a reflector or off-camera flash with modifier is more likely to give the most pleasing results, but it's not always possible or convenient. You either have to hold it at the correct angle with one hand while shooting with the other, or have a stand (more to carry) or an assistant (not always possible).

With a bit of practice adjusting pop-up flash intensity, and in certain scenarios, using a pop-up flash works well for fill and is very convenient. If it's possible to have one without compromising weather sealing, why not have it? People who don't want to use it can leave it down.

 

[Famateur]

As far as "professional" is concerned, I would expect either a (optical master capable) pop-up flash in any (large) DSLR body OR since we are in 2015 and talking about Canon ... an even tinier RT-radio wireless commander built right into the camera. Ideally in addition to pop-up flash, since the RT commander cannot provide fill flash capability in a pinch nor AF assist in a pinch.

Would be cool if Canon did this. I'm sure the technical challenges can be solved -- Canon has some pretty brilliant/creative engineers.

I think the main reason we don't see the built-in RF commander yet is that hot-shoe commanders still sell. I think it's a matter of time, though, before it happens. Might be a long time, but I'm confident there will eventually be built-in commanders in studio-oriented bodies.

Maybe Yongnuo will start making bodies, too. :-X

 

[Lawliet]

The only reason apart from simply money grabbing I can come up with that it's difficult or near-impossible to build in an rt transmitter into the camera body. Remember that the flash sync *relies* on 100% valid split-second communication over potentially large distances, it's not like wifi "wait and re-transmit" or "update every other minute" gps.

The V-Grip for the 645DF+ contains an Air remote, so the whole concept is possible - if Canon can't do it that would be a flaw in their design or implementation. Esp. considering the different ranges and possible shutter speeds.

 

[9VIII]

Hi,

I can see no reason for not building a fully-blown "COMM" module into large DSLR bodies. With the following components, ALL of them - as in many small smartphones:
* WiFi - latest mainstream iteration (currently ac)
* NFC
* GPS
* Canon only: RT commander
all of them separatly switchable by user, of course.
Antenna/s: always built into LCD bezel/frame on rear of camera. More than enough spacxe there. And no shielding metal either.

And one version, in which the power cable to the COM module is not built in. For those markets where odd-ball communications laws and ferquency crap make communicating devices "illegal".

Problem solved, next please!

If you built in the LCD bezel/frame, only the rear is free of obstruction and shielding... the wifi might not work properly if you are in front of the camera and GPS might take very long to get a position lock. IMHO, people will probably complaint if you don't include the features, but if you include the features and it's not working properly, people will curse and swear... IMHO, if you cannot guarantee it'll work properly, it's better not to have it in the first place.

Have a nice day.

What they should do is have an exposed metal strip running across in front of the hot shoe, or maybe just use the hot shoe itself?