Canon DSLR Announcement in March? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

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<p>With Nikon officially announcing the D4S next week, we’re starting to see the usually unreliable mentions of Canon following suit with an announcement of their own. The latest being that Canon will announce a high end full frame DSLR some time in March.</p>
<p>We do not believe a camera above or replacing the EOS-1D X is on the immediate horizon, as we’ve seen a few small marketing campaigns for Canon’s flagship camera. Along with a <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/01/eos-1d-x-firmware-version-2-0-3-released/" target="_blank">feature adding firmware update</a> that came out in January.</p>
<p>We’ve been told by a great source that <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/01/the-next-dslr-will-be-entry-level-cr3/" target="_blank">Canon would announce 3 DSLRs in 2014</a>. The first being the entry level DSLR that was announced last week. The replacement to the EOS 7D Mark II and a third camera that is currently unknown. There is always a chance of adding to the number of cameras in the way of a “development” announcement, but those are always hard to predict.</p>
<p>As always, whenever Nikon does something, there’s always an upturn of Canon speculation.</p>
<p>NAB is coming in April, so I would think Cinema EOS would get an announcement before the EOS line.</p>
<p>More to come.</p>
<p><em><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574981434&toolid=10001&campid=5337241362&customid=&icep_item=230828116912&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg" target="_blank">Canon EOS-1D X Body $5848</a> (Reg $6799)</em></p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_rumours.html" target="_blank">NL</a>]</p>

 

[SwampYankee]

Ah, finally!! The Canon ti6 with 18mp sensor. Was waiting 2 weeks for this!

 

[rs]

Very unlikely. Although not 100% confirmed, it looks like the specs of the upcoming D4S are beaten on every front by the 2011 1D X.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Ah, finally!! The Canon ti6 with 18mp sensor. Was waiting 2 weeks for this!

Yes, it's likely that the next camera is launched T6i. I just hope it has the same sensor 70D. We've waited so long for 7D mark ii, we should expect some more until Photokina in the second half of the year.

 

[Loswr]

Yes, it's likely that the next camera is launched T6i. I just hope it has the same sensor 70D.

Canon is shrewd when it comes to milking profits from sensors. Consider that the T5i/700D did not get the latest version of the 18 MP APS-C sensor. The T5i's sensor has Hybrid CMOS AF (same sensor as the T4i and the EOS M), whereas the sensor used in the SL1/100D and the EOS M2 has Hybrid CMOS II AF (where the phase AF area covers 80% of the frame vs. just the central portion). That allows Canon to release another T#i-series body with a 'new' (to the line) sensor (but not the 70D's sensor). Put Digic 6 in there, and they're good to go with the T6i/750D.

 

[SwampYankee]

Yes, it's likely that the next camera is launched T6i. I just hope it has the same sensor 70D.

Canon is shrewd when it comes to milking profits from sensors. Consider that the T5i/700D did not get the latest version of the 18 MP APS-C sensor. The T5i's sensor has Hybrid CMOS AF (same sensor as the T4i and the EOS M), whereas the sensor used in the SL1/100D and the EOS M2 has Hybrid CMOS II AF (where the phase AF area covers 80% of the frame vs. just the central portion). That allows Canon to release another T#i-series body with a 'new' (to the line) sensor (but not the 70D's sensor). Put Digic 6 in there, and they're good to go with the T6i/750D.

I was being factious because of my frustration with Canon. In truth I think 2014 will be a good year for new hardware. I know that Canon has cited the 5DIII as one of their current success stories so I don't expect much there. This might be the 1DX going to 24MP or it might finally be the first of the new sensors.
I'm probably wrong but I think that the Nikon 800e caught Canon flat footed. Their sensors ruled the roost for a long time and the 800 was the point where they knew their current sensors could not continue to compete with the Sony's. Perhaps they were working a new line for a while but the Nikon's with Sony sensors really got their attention. I'm sure that it takes years and years before a sensor goes from design to profitable production. Hopefully, Canon is near then end of that cycle and we will see some significant new sensor technology. Canon has made real improvements everywhere but in sensors. Fortunately, they have held their market share but that can't last forever. Sony probably has another generation in the pipeline already.

 

[Woody]

Where are the lenses in a so-called Year of the Lens for Canon? Sigh

 

[kphoto99]

Yes, it's likely that the next camera is launched T6i. I just hope it has the same sensor 70D.

Canon is shrewd when it comes to milking profits from sensors. Consider that the T5i/700D did not get the latest version of the 18 MP APS-C sensor. The T5i's sensor has Hybrid CMOS AF (same sensor as the T4i and the EOS M), whereas the sensor used in the SL1/100D and the EOS M2 has Hybrid CMOS II AF (where the phase AF area covers 80% of the frame vs. just the central portion). That allows Canon to release another T#i-series body with a 'new' (to the line) sensor (but not the 70D's sensor). Put Digic 6 in there, and they're good to go with the T6i/750D.

You are absolutely right. Canon will not let you get the 70D sensor in a Rebel price camera. The earliest that the 70D sensor migration to Rebel will be T7i. Or if you look at the T4i to T5i change, it will be in T8i. So in 2016.

 

[mackguyver]

The replacement to the EOS 7D Mark II and a third camera that is currently unknown.

I'm happy to see that they'll be replacing the non-existent 7D Mark II

 

[slclick]

The replacement to the EOS 7D Mark II and a third camera that is currently unknown.

I'm happy to see that they'll be replacing the non-existent 7D Mark II

I just hate the noise above 12,800 in the 7D Mk2

 

[scyrene]

Yes, it's likely that the next camera is launched T6i. I just hope it has the same sensor 70D.

Canon is shrewd when it comes to milking profits from sensors. Consider that the T5i/700D did not get the latest version of the 18 MP APS-C sensor. The T5i's sensor has Hybrid CMOS AF (same sensor as the T4i and the EOS M), whereas the sensor used in the SL1/100D and the EOS M2 has Hybrid CMOS II AF (where the phase AF area covers 80% of the frame vs. just the central portion). That allows Canon to release another T#i-series body with a 'new' (to the line) sensor (but not the 70D's sensor). Put Digic 6 in there, and they're good to go with the T6i/750D.

I was being factious because of my frustration with Canon. In truth I think 2014 will be a good year for new hardware. I know that Canon has cited the 5DIII as one of their current success stories so I don't expect much there. This might be the 1DX going to 24MP or it might finally be the first of the new sensors.
I'm probably wrong but I think that the Nikon 800e caught Canon flat footed. Their sensors ruled the roost for a long time and the 800 was the point where they knew their current sensors could not continue to compete with the Sony's. Perhaps they were working a new line for a while but the Nikon's with Sony sensors really got their attention. I'm sure that it takes years and years before a sensor goes from design to profitable production. Hopefully, Canon is near then end of that cycle and we will see some significant new sensor technology. Canon has made real improvements everywhere but in sensors. Fortunately, they have held their market share but that can't last forever. Sony probably has another generation in the pipeline already.

Here we go again...

 

[Don Haines]

The replacement to the EOS 7D Mark II and a third camera that is currently unknown.

I'm happy to see that they'll be replacing the non-existent 7D Mark II

Darn! I waited 4 years for the camera, and then one morning it came and went and I missed it! Darn!

 

[spturtle]

Put Digic 6 in there, and they're good to go with the T6i/750D.

Digic 6 adds e.g. 1080/60p video recording which the current Canon CMOS sensors apparently do not support, even the G1 X II still has Digic 5. The 700D is really a rebadged 650D so I don't think it not having the latest 18MP sensor means a lot, maybe the "rebel" team was just busy with the 100D.

 

[SwampYankee]

Yes, it's likely that the next camera is launched T6i. I just hope it has the same sensor 70D.

Canon is shrewd when it comes to milking profits from sensors. Consider that the T5i/700D did not get the latest version of the 18 MP APS-C sensor. The T5i's sensor has Hybrid CMOS AF (same sensor as the T4i and the EOS M), whereas the sensor used in the SL1/100D and the EOS M2 has Hybrid CMOS II AF (where the phase AF area covers 80% of the frame vs. just the central portion). That allows Canon to release another T#i-series body with a 'new' (to the line) sensor (but not the 70D's sensor). Put Digic 6 in there, and they're good to go with the T6i/750D.

I was being factious because of my frustration with Canon. In truth I think 2014 will be a good year for new hardware. I know that Canon has cited the 5DIII as one of their current success stories so I don't expect much there. This might be the 1DX going to 24MP or it might finally be the first of the new sensors.
I'm probably wrong but I think that the Nikon 800e caught Canon flat footed. Their sensors ruled the roost for a long time and the 800 was the point where they knew their current sensors could not continue to compete with the Sony's. Perhaps they were working a new line for a while but the Nikon's with Sony sensors really got their attention. I'm sure that it takes years and years before a sensor goes from design to profitable production. Hopefully, Canon is near then end of that cycle and we will see some significant new sensor technology. Canon has made real improvements everywhere but in sensors. Fortunately, they have held their market share but that can't last forever. Sony probably has another generation in the pipeline already.

Here we go again...

I own a 5DIII and love it but I shot with a Sony 7R this weekend and the images were just better. Sharper by a wide margin. I make big prints and it really shows there. Maybe I just had a good day and the camera had nothing to do with it?

 

[ajndesign]

Put Digic 6 in there, and they're good to go with the T6i/750D.

Digic 6 adds e.g. 1080/60p video recording which the current Canon CMOS sensors apparently do not support, even the G1 X II still has Digic 5. The 700D is really a rebadged 650D so I don't think it not having the latest 18MP sensor means a lot, maybe the "rebel" team was just busy with the 100D.

The G1X II has the Digic 6, not 5 like the original.

 

[traveller]

Yes, it's likely that the next camera is launched T6i. I just hope it has the same sensor 70D.

Canon is shrewd when it comes to milking profits from sensors. Consider that the T5i/700D did not get the latest version of the 18 MP APS-C sensor. The T5i's sensor has Hybrid CMOS AF (same sensor as the T4i and the EOS M), whereas the sensor used in the SL1/100D and the EOS M2 has Hybrid CMOS II AF (where the phase AF area covers 80% of the frame vs. just the central portion). That allows Canon to release another T#i-series body with a 'new' (to the line) sensor (but not the 70D's sensor). Put Digic 6 in there, and they're good to go with the T6i/750D.

I was being factious because of my frustration with Canon. In truth I think 2014 will be a good year for new hardware. I know that Canon has cited the 5DIII as one of their current success stories so I don't expect much there. This might be the 1DX going to 24MP or it might finally be the first of the new sensors.
I'm probably wrong but I think that the Nikon 800e caught Canon flat footed. Their sensors ruled the roost for a long time and the 800 was the point where they knew their current sensors could not continue to compete with the Sony's. Perhaps they were working a new line for a while but the Nikon's with Sony sensors really got their attention. I'm sure that it takes years and years before a sensor goes from design to profitable production. Hopefully, Canon is near then end of that cycle and we will see some significant new sensor technology. Canon has made real improvements everywhere but in sensors. Fortunately, they have held their market share but that can't last forever. Sony probably has another generation in the pipeline already.

Canon's sensor advantage came from their early adoption of the CMOS type sensor; they have fallen behind as other manufacturers also adopted this technology. Canon fabricate their own (large) sensors, which represents a considerable capital investment, and are therefore understandably keen to recapture the maximum value back from this. I think that Sony has an advantage here, because they sell so many sensors to other camera manufacturers, they can afford to move their sensors forward a fabrication generation more often than Canon. As much as I understand Canon's reluctance to invest in new fabrication technology at a time of recession and market contraction, I think that they've reached the end of the road with what they can squeeze out of their current technology. Either they will have to change their fabrication foundries over to newer sub-0.18 micron (or even sub-0.11 micron) process generation architectures, or they'll have to start subcontracting the manufacture of their sensor out to a third party foundry partner.

Sony does seem to have established itself as the dominant player in CMOS sensors at the moment, but it doesn't have the field all to itself; apart from Canon, Aptina have shown they can produce and Toshiba sensors have found their way into the Nikon line-up. Even the vaunted Olympus EM1, which everyone thought had a Sony sensor, turns out to be using a Panasonic sensor -another manufacturer that people were starting to question.

 

[tron]

The replacement to the EOS 7D Mark II and a third camera that is currently unknown.

I'm happy to see that they'll be replacing the non-existent 7D Mark II

Darn! I waited 4 years for the camera, and then one morning it came and went and I missed it! Darn!

;D Aren't you happy that you will finally get 7D mark III ? ;D

 

[tron]

I think they will announce a high end body. I have just ordered my 2nd 5DMkIII ;D

 

[SwampYankee]

Yes, it's likely that the next camera is launched T6i. I just hope it has the same sensor 70D.

Canon is shrewd when it comes to milking profits from sensors. Consider that the T5i/700D did not get the latest version of the 18 MP APS-C sensor. The T5i's sensor has Hybrid CMOS AF (same sensor as the T4i and the EOS M), whereas the sensor used in the SL1/100D and the EOS M2 has Hybrid CMOS II AF (where the phase AF area covers 80% of the frame vs. just the central portion). That allows Canon to release another T#i-series body with a 'new' (to the line) sensor (but not the 70D's sensor). Put Digic 6 in there, and they're good to go with the T6i/750D.

I was being factious because of my frustration with Canon. In truth I think 2014 will be a good year for new hardware. I know that Canon has cited the 5DIII as one of their current success stories so I don't expect much there. This might be the 1DX going to 24MP or it might finally be the first of the new sensors.
I'm probably wrong but I think that the Nikon 800e caught Canon flat footed. Their sensors ruled the roost for a long time and the 800 was the point where they knew their current sensors could not continue to compete with the Sony's. Perhaps they were working a new line for a while but the Nikon's with Sony sensors really got their attention. I'm sure that it takes years and years before a sensor goes from design to profitable production. Hopefully, Canon is near then end of that cycle and we will see some significant new sensor technology. Canon has made real improvements everywhere but in sensors. Fortunately, they have held their market share but that can't last forever. Sony probably has another generation in the pipeline already.

Canon's sensor advantage came from their early adoption of the CMOS type sensor; they have fallen behind as other manufacturers also adopted this technology. Canon fabricate their own (large) sensors, which represents a considerable capital investment, and are therefore understandably keen to recapture the maximum value back from this. I think that Sony has an advantage here, because they sell so many sensors to other camera manufacturers, they can afford to move their sensors forward a fabrication generation more often than Canon. As much as I understand Canon's reluctance to invest in new fabrication technology at a time of recession and market contraction, I think that they've reached the end of the road with what they can squeeze out of their current technology. Either they will have to change their fabrication foundries over to newer sub-0.18 micron (or even sub-0.11 micron) process generation architectures, or they'll have to start subcontracting the manufacture of their sensor out to a third party foundry partner.

Sony does seem to have established itself as the dominant player in CMOS sensors at the moment, but it doesn't have the field all to itself; apart from Canon, Aptina have shown they can produce and Toshiba sensors have found their way into the Nikon line-up. Even the vaunted Olympus EM1, which everyone thought had a Sony sensor, turns out to be using a Panasonic sensor -another manufacturer that people were starting to question.

I presume that Sony would sell them sensors but at something of a markup. Nikon was able to absorb the cost and put at good cameras, although the 800 is not flying off the shelves and the 600 is headed towards a class action lawsuit. Dispite the outcry it was a really god day for Apple when they got in bed with Intel.

 

[tron]

I own a 5DIII and love it but I shot with a Sony 7R this weekend and the images were just better. Sharper by a wide margin. I make big prints and it really shows there. Maybe I just had a good day and the camera had nothing to do with it?

Interesting! Although I do not intend to change my hardware (I just ordered a second 5DIII) could you care to elaborate please? (for example did you focus using LV in both models, you used same lens, same aperture, tripod, same PP?)

I always wondered why the 22mp raw processing of 5D3 is so slower than the 21mp raw processing of 5D2. Combining this with old case where DPP was not producing sharp pictures - THAT HAS BEEN CORRECTED WITH AN UPDATE - I wonder whether a possibly strong AA filter has something to do with it (just wondering, NOT knowing...)