Rumored Canon EOS R1 EVF specifications [CR1]

[GMCPhotographics]

Obviously Canon could make them. The most likely reason that haven’t is marketing. They didn’t make them for EF-M, though 3rd parties did.

Your implication was that the reason is technical, which clearly it’s not.

And yet Canon hasn't. It's a simple, easy to make and profitable accessory. In fact here's an article showing a R6 with a EF to RF converter, a EF 25mm extension tube on ef 70-200 f2.8 LIS III. Curious.
https://www.canon.co.uk/pro/infobank/lens-extension-tubes/
It's quite clear to me that Canon haven't for a specific undisclosed reason. Marketing or Technical.

 

[neuroanatomist]

And yet Canon hasn't. It's a simple, easy to make and profitable accessory. In fact here's an article showing a R6 with a EF to RF converter, a EF 25mm extension tube on ef 70-200 f2.8 LIS III. Curious.
https://www.canon.co.uk/pro/infobank/lens-extension-tubes/
It's quite clear to me that Canon haven't for a specific undisclosed reason. Marketing or Technical.

How do you know they're profitable? As I said, there is no technical reason not to make an extension tube – the fact that 3rd party tubes exist and work perfectly confirms that. That leaves marketing as the reason they haven't made one. It could be that there's not enough of a market for OEM tubes. It could simply be that making them doesn't justify the opportunity cost of not making other products given that production resources are limiting, particularly with current supply constraints.

 

[Sporgon]

You seem to think that non-SLR lenses are some sort of recent innovation but rangefinder cameras have had them for a century at this point. Those rangefinder lenses were hardly "funky and exotic."

Indeed the RF 50mm f/1.8 is basically a rangefinder lens (ref the 1960’s Canonet)

 

[Skyscraperfan]

I'm sure you will be able to buy cameras with OVFs for many years to come, if not new, than on the used market.

The problem is that those cameras will not have the latest sensors. I wish I could get a DSLR with the sensor of the R3. And IBIS in a DLSR would also be nice, but I understand that this is not possible without increasing the flange distance.

When is the last time you've ever heard of someone using a 20-year old digital camera? Today that would be an EOS-1Ds MkI that goes up to ISO 800 and has 11.7MP. Admittedly I was using my EOS-1DsMkIII as late as 2018 (I got the R at that point), which was ten years, but I was literally blind for some of those years (cataracts)!

That is true, but at the moment I use the 1D X, that came out in 2012. Back the cameras were already so close to perfect that you could basically use them forever. At least the flagship cameras. The only real downside I see is the really bad noise performance when it comes to shadow recovery. Even at ISO 100 heavy noise is introduced if you raise the shadows. Apart from that it is hard to see that those photos were taken with such an old camera.

Most of the "progress" the cameras made in the last decade is stuff that I do not really need. For example I do not need video at all, as skyscrapers normally do not move. I do not need any better autofocus than the one I already have, as it is almost impossible to not get a skyscraper in focus. I do not need a faster burst, as the skyscraper would look the same in every frame. I do not need eye detection, as skyscrapers usually do not have eyes. I do not need GPS. If I take a photo of a skyscraper, the geotag should show the location of the skyscraper, but with GPS it shows my location.

I hope I will still live many decades, but I have no idea how cameras could be improved much further from here one. The only additional feature I would love to see is the option to program the camera to take a few photos with different settings in quick succession with one click. For example always one version with low ISO and one with high shutter speed plus one with a wide aperture that allows me to clean dust spots in post more easily. That would save me so much time.

 

[AlanF]

The problem is that those cameras will not have the latest sensors. I wish I could get a DSLR with the sensor of the R3. And IBIS in a DLSR would also be nice, but I understand that this is not possible without increasing the flange distance.

That is true, but at the moment I use the 1D X, that came out in 2012. Back the cameras were already so close to perfect that you could basically use them forever. At least the flagship cameras. The only real downside I see is the really bad noise performance when it comes to shadow recovery. Even at ISO 100 heavy noise is introduced if you raise the shadows. Apart from that it is hard to see that those photos were taken with such an old camera.

Most of the "progress" the cameras made in the last decade is stuff that I do not really need. For example I do not need video at all, as skyscrapers normally do not move. I do not need any better autofocus than the one I already have, as it is almost impossible to not get a skyscraper in focus. I do not need a faster burst, as the skyscraper would look the same in every frame. I do not need eye detection, as skyscrapers usually do not have eyes. I do not need GPS. If I take a photo of a skyscraper, the geotag should show the location of the skyscraper, but with GPS it shows my location.

I hope I will still live many decades, but I have no idea how cameras could be improved much further from here one. The only additional feature I would love to see is the option to program the camera to take a few photos with different settings in quick succession with one click. For example always one version with low ISO and one with high shutter speed plus one with a wide aperture that allows me to clean dust spots in post more easily. That would save me so much time.

The camera manufacturers are catering for the 99.999% who do not specialise in skyskrapers. If the only downside of your 2012 camera that will last forever as it so perfect apart from the DR, then just take different exposures and combine them in HDR mode. CR is a forum for those who want to find out about what's new so you are not going to have a receptive audience if you want to reject innovation.

 

[Czardoom]

The problem is that those cameras will not have the latest sensors. I wish I could get a DSLR with the sensor of the R3. And IBIS in a DLSR would also be nice, but I understand that this is not possible without increasing the flange distance.

That is true, but at the moment I use the 1D X, that came out in 2012. Back the cameras were already so close to perfect that you could basically use them forever. At least the flagship cameras. The only real downside I see is the really bad noise performance when it comes to shadow recovery. Even at ISO 100 heavy noise is introduced if you raise the shadows. Apart from that it is hard to see that those photos were taken with such an old camera.

Most of the "progress" the cameras made in the last decade is stuff that I do not really need. For example I do not need video at all, as skyscrapers normally do not move. I do not need any better autofocus than the one I already have, as it is almost impossible to not get a skyscraper in focus. I do not need a faster burst, as the skyscraper would look the same in every frame. I do not need eye detection, as skyscrapers usually do not have eyes. I do not need GPS. If I take a photo of a skyscraper, the geotag should show the location of the skyscraper, but with GPS it shows my location.

I hope I will still live many decades, but I have no idea how cameras could be improved much further from here one. The only additional feature I would love to see is the option to program the camera to take a few photos with different settings in quick succession with one click. For example always one version with low ISO and one with high shutter speed plus one with a wide aperture that allows me to clean dust spots in post more easily. That would save me so much time.

Sensor tech is virtually unchanged from the days of the 5D mark IV. And if you have lenses with IS, then you certainly must understand that you don't need IBIS. You pretty much say so yourself, that your 2012 camera has pretty much reached perfection. So, no, you won't find you need a camera with a newer sensor.

It sounds very much like you just want to complain that cameras today have EVFs rather than OVFs. Even though your main interest is skyscrapers. Aside from your Queen Elizabeth encounter, you can certainly see the skyscrapers with your own eyes before looking through the "non-real" EVF. If you are looking for sympathy or understanding, I doubt you will find it as your arguments against EVFs make no sense to me and I'm sure most others.

Get yourself a Canon 5D IV or IDX III if you need that OVF. Buy a couple and then you can relax for another decade or more.

 

[Del Paso]

Even as a declared friend of OVFs, I would never again buy a camera without an EVF, its advantages are simply too flagrant.
And they keep improving with every new camera generation.
It's time to turn the page.

 

[AlanF]

Even as a declared friend of OVFs, I would never again buy a camera without an EVF, its advantages are simply too flagrant.
And they keep improving with every new camera generation.
It's time to turn the page.

Before I got the R5, I was very dubious about giving up an OVF as I use the camera and lens as a spotting scope for birds. But, I would never go back. I can now adjust exposure on the hoof to compensate for underexposure of a bird against a light background and also identify ones that are black because of being against the light in an OVF viewfinder after dialing up the overexposure.

 

[Skyscraperfan]

It annoys me that EVFs give camera manufacturers another way to cripple cheaper cameras. High end cameras might also have a better OVF in the future, but now the resolution, the lag and the refresh rate can be crippled. As EVFs replace OVFs that had a high resolution, high refresh rate and very low lag, the least we could ask for is that manufacturers put the best EVF they can build into EVERY new camera.

If the mirror was still there, there would be the option that a camera has both an OVF and an EVF.

I am still traumatized by TVs switching from a 4:3 to a 16:9 ratio. I wish there was a modern 4:3 flat TV with an HDMI plug. Many say that the "market" regulates that, but customers were not really given a choice. One day no 4:3 TV was sold any more. It is the same with mirrorless cameras.

 

[neuroanatomist]

It annoys me that EVFs give camera manufacturers another way to cripple cheaper cameras. High end cameras might also have a better OVF in the future, but now the resolution, the lag and the refresh rate can be crippled. As EVFs replace OVFs that had a high resolution, high refresh rate and very low lag, the least we could ask for is that manufacturers put the best EVF they can build into EVERY new camera.

If the mirror was still there, there would be the option that a camera has both an OVF and an EVF.

I am still traumatized by TVs switching from a 4:3 to a 16:9 ratio. I wish there was a modern 4:3 flat TV with an HDMI plug. Many say that the "market" regulates that, but customers were not really given a choice. One day no 4:3 TV was sold any more. It is the same with mirrorless cameras.

Do you miss the days when you chiseled images of 3-story wattle-and-daub ‘skyscrapers’ on stone tablets?

 

[Skyscraperfan]

Do you miss the days when you chiseled images of 3-story wattle-and-daub ‘skyscrapers’ on stone tablets?

There is a difference between real progress and annoying changes that should just convince people to buy the new stuff. The biggest shock in my life was when Nutella changed its recipe. It was already perfect. Why change it? I would pay twice the price for Nutella with the old recipe.

Mirrorless cameras also came before DSLRs. DSLRs were the real progress. My old Canon compact camera was mirrorless and even had an EVF. Now they want to sell us an old technology as new.

With cars it is even worse. Over the decades they became uglier and more and more of those lovely buttons were replaced with screens. Cars have more and more features that add to the price, but just annoy me. Thankfully I do not need a car.

 

[AlanF]

Do you miss the days when you chiseled images of 3-story wattle-and-daub ‘skyscrapers’ on stone tablets?

Technophobia: Causes, Symptoms & Treatment

Technophobia is an extreme fear of technology. It is most common in older adults, but anyone can have difficulty adapting to technology changes. Therapy can help.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Someone with technophobia might feel preoccupied with thoughts of being forced to use technology. They may:

• Avoid getting a new computer or phone.
• Criticize new technology or changes.
• Refuse to use computers, ATMs or card readers.
• Resist upgrading a device’s software.
• Resist using any automatic processes, such as automatic withdrawals to pay bills.

 

[neuroanatomist]

There is a difference between real progress and annoying changes that should just convince people to buy the new stuff. The biggest shock in my life was when Nutella changed its recipe. It was already perfect. Why change it? I would pay twice the price for Nutella with the old recipe.

Mirrorless cameras also came before DSLRs. DSLRs were the real progress. My old Canon compact camera was mirrorless and even had an EVF. Now they want to sell us an old technology as new.

With cars it is even worse. Over the decades they became uglier and more and more of those lovely buttons were replaced with screens. Cars have more and more features that add to the price, but just annoy me. Thankfully I do not need a car.

New Coke was dropped and they went back to the original. Keep hoping…

 

[Skyscraperfan]

Technophobia: Causes, Symptoms & Treatment

Technophobia is an extreme fear of technology. It is most common in older adults, but anyone can have difficulty adapting to technology changes. Therapy can help.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Someone with technophobia might feel preoccupied with thoughts of being forced to use technology. They may:

• Avoid getting a new computer or phone.
• Criticize new technology or changes.
• Refuse to use computers, ATMs or card readers.
• Resist upgrading a device’s software.
• Resist using any automatic processes, such as automatic withdrawals to pay bills.

I see myself in some of those points. If I buy a new computer for example, the advantages have to overweigh the disadvantages by far. If it has more RAM, more cores and more storage, those are advantages that hardly come with any disadvantages besides more heat and noise.

I never do software updates unless the software stops working. Security updates would be fine, but they usually come with feature changes or even design changes. I usually install the latest Windows version when I buy a new computer, but after that I don't do any updates any more. The worst thing are browser updates. There is a trend to a minimal browser design and I pretty much hate that. If possible I have even installed extensions that bring back the old browser design.

I only pay with cash if possible. Cashless payment is not a progress in situations were you could pay with cash like in a restaurant of a supermarket. It just leaves unnecessary electronic traces.

There once was a president who hat "Change" as the motto for his election. I could not understand why people would vote for somebody who wants change. In some situations change is good, but the majority of changes is bad.

The hardest change in life is aging. I hate that change. I would have preferred to stay 30 forever.

One change I really love is climate change, because in Germany it is VERY cold in winter. The last winter was pure horror.

 

[AlanF]

One change I really love is climate change, because in Germany it is VERY cold in winter. The last winter was pure horror.

I had sympathy until you wrote that.

 

[Del Paso]

I see myself in some of those points. If I buy a new computer for example, the advantages have to overweigh the disadvantages by far. If it has more RAM, more cores and more storage, those are advantages that hardly come with any disadvantages besides more heat and noise.

I never do software updates unless the software stops working. Security updates would be fine, but they usually come with feature changes or even design changes. I usually install the latest Windows version when I buy a new computer, but after that I don't do any updates any more. The worst thing are browser updates. There is a trend to a minimal browser design and I pretty much hate that. If possible I have even installed extensions that bring back the old browser design.

I only pay with cash if possible. Cashless payment is not a progress in situations were you could pay with cash like in a restaurant of a supermarket. It just leaves unnecessary electronic traces.

There once was a president who hat "Change" as the motto for his election. I could not understand why people would vote for somebody who wants change. In some situations change is good, but the majority of changes is bad.

The hardest change in life is aging. I hate that change. I would have preferred to stay 30 forever.

One change I really love is climate change, because in Germany it is VERY cold in winter. The last winter was pure horror.

I too regret those golden times when dentists really caused pain, when cars stank, when most deseases couldn't get cured.
And daguerrotypes offered the real photographic experience.
But, wait a minute, skyscrapers didn't exist yet in your native Germany...

 

[Del Paso]

I had sympathy until you wrote that.

Me too.
Quite a strange reasoning...

 

[AlanF]

Me too.
Quite a strange reasoning...

What a day to write that as well:

Europe heatwave: No respite in sight for heat-stricken southern Europe

The heatwave that brought temperatures above 40C across the Mediterranean will intensify next week.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[neuroanatomist]

I see myself in some of those points. If I buy a new computer for example, the advantages have to overweigh the disadvantages by far. If it has more RAM, more cores and more storage, those are advantages that hardly come with any disadvantages besides more heat and noise.

I never do software updates unless the software stops working. Security updates would be fine, but they usually come with feature changes or even design changes. I usually install the latest Windows version when I buy a new computer, but after that I don't do any updates any more. The worst thing are browser updates. There is a trend to a minimal browser design and I pretty much hate that. If possible I have even installed extensions that bring back the old browser design.

I only pay with cash if possible. Cashless payment is not a progress in situations were you could pay with cash like in a restaurant of a supermarket. It just leaves unnecessary electronic traces.

There once was a president who hat "Change" as the motto for his election. I could not understand why people would vote for somebody who wants change. In some situations change is good, but the majority of changes is bad.

The hardest change in life is aging. I hate that change. I would have preferred to stay 30 forever.

One change I really love is climate change, because in Germany it is VERY cold in winter. The last winter was pure horror.

Meh.

My R3 performs meaningfully better than my 1D X in many ways. But then, I shoot far more than one type of subject.

My electronic payment is done by watch, which is biometrically secured. Like my phone and computer, they are useless if stolen. Much safer than carrying around a wad of cash. As for being electronically traced, that’s happening to everyone constantly, regardless of how you pay for your groceries.

As for welcoming global catastrophe that’s causing suffering and starvation for uncounted numbers of people because it makes you somewhat more comfortable for a few months of the year, I find that repugnant and utterly reprehensible.

 

[SwissFrank]

Skyscraper fan, I'm puzzled why you even bother with a rumors forum when a 2012 camera is perfect for your needs. If you don't have friends or family that you ever shoot and don't need any feature not required to shoot a skyscraper, please recognize your needs are very niche and no mass market maker is going to cater to you, and you might as well desubscribe from this group because I guarantee Canon's not going to make a camera or other piece of gear that you will like ever again. It will be unproductive for you to waste a second further here.