Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Spec List [CR1]

[ahsanford]

Hi -1!
Since when is a 5D a semi-professional bridge camera? It is a full professional full-frame camera! Have you ever used it?

In the US, the 5D3 is marketed as a semi-pro camera, whereas it is marketed as a pro camera in the EU.

I bristle at the notion that there's anything 'semi' serious about the 5D3, but it's amazing to see the spread of perspectives on what market 'buckets' to put this in:

Every wedding I go to, professionals are lugging two around their necks.

Wikipedia says it is semi-professional.

DXO (famously) calls it semi-professional.

The original product announcement in 2012 from Canon does not specify.

At Canon USA the word professional is nowhere in the spec list, main product write-up, or manual.

At B&H, Adorama, etc. it's a total mixed bag as they want to tout its "professional build" or "professional viewfinder" but don't want to hype themselves out of the enthusiast market.

It's a fascinating market identity trade-off, IMHO. Canon apparently doesn't want this thing thought of as a staple pro tool to maximize it's appeal to other segments.

- A

 

[arthurbikemad]

Wiki...lol

Canon seems to think the 5D is pro (well as you say, in the UK (( EU is dead ))

http://www.canon.co.uk/for_home/product_finder/cameras/digital_slr/professional/

 

[s2kdriver80]

Speedlite RF master capability would be nice. Sure, would be tougher for the signal to propagate through metal but a limited short range would still be very useful.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Hi -1!
Since when is a 5D a semi-professional bridge camera? It is a full professional full-frame camera! Have you ever used it?

In the US, the 5D3 is marketed as a semi-pro camera, whereas it is marketed as a pro camera in the EU.

I bristle at the notion that there's anything 'semi' serious about the 5D3, but it's amazing to see the spread of perspectives on what market 'buckets' to put this in:

Every wedding I go to, professionals are lugging two around their necks.

Wikipedia says it is semi-professional.

DXO (famously) calls it semi-professional.

The original product announcement in 2012 from Canon does not specify.

At Canon USA the word professional is nowhere in the spec list, main product write-up, or manual.

At B&H, Adorama, etc. it's a total mixed bag as they want to tout its "professional build" or "professional viewfinder" but don't want to hype themselves out of the enthusiast market.

It's a fascinating market identity trade-off, IMHO. Canon apparently doesn't want this thing thought of as a staple pro tool to maximize it's appeal to other segments.

- A

So using your logic....does that mean a photographer is only a professional if he / she buys a 1Dx?
No I don't think so....there are far more professional photographers (who make a living out of selling photos and their talent) who use a pair of 5D3's than 1Dx cameras. A camera does not define the photographer...the photographer does that.

 

[ahsanford]

So using your logic....does that mean a photographer is only a professional if he / she buys a 1Dx?
No I don't think so....there are far more professional photographers (who make a living out of selling photos and their talent) who use a pair of 5D3's than 1Dx cameras. A camera does not define the photographer...the photographer does that.

Climb off the philosophical high horse -- I agree with you. I'm talking about what the market calls the product, not what we roles we use the cameras for.

What I'm saying is that Canon itself appears to be fueling this market identity ambiguity. They must have some data that tells them that calling it 'professional' in certain markets will cost them business somehow.

- A

 

[Ozarker]

...
What I'm saying is that Canon itself appears to be fueling this market identity ambiguity. They must have some data that tells them that calling it 'professional' in certain markets will cost them business somehow.
...

Or they could open themselves up to litigation by implying something that it is not suitable for by certain professionals as a result of misleading advertising/promotion of the camera.

That could be said of any camera, including the 1DX Mark II. Professional grade camera is far from having a professional camera.

There's no such thing as a professional camera. Cameras are cameras. They come in at different grades just like beef.

It is the photographer that earns the living with the tool. It is the photographer that is the professional or not.

Don't care how good the gear is. If a man doesn't make his primary living as a photographer... he's no professional. Maybe he takes professional grade photos, but he himself is no professional.

 

[Ozarker]

Touchscreen? How will they cope with noses hitting the touchscreen?

When you look through the viewfinder you probably have the screen turned off
My old old Canon Digital Rebel had a sensor that told the camera if you were looking through the viewfinder.

Touchscreen? How will they cope with noses hitting the touchscreen?

Easy- proximity sensor in or around the viewfinder. The touchscreen would be deactivated when ones eye is at the VF

Canon has been putting out touchscreen DSLRs for many years now and possibly one of the most responsive and easy to use. This will function just like all of the others with a sensor near the eye viewfinder that will turn off/deactivate the touchscreen. There is also a way to do this same thing with ambient light sensors inside the viewfinder, but those are not nearly as accurate in dark conditions.

If your nose is reasonably sized, like my fathers it will hit the screen way before the eye eclips the finder...
Touch screens are designed and introduced to put a limited lifespan on the camera. Further, I live a winterland and do not wanna depend on special gloves to operate a camera.

A man can have Pinocchio's nose and it won't cause a problem.

The camera can still be operated without using the touch screen... fully operational. If it is that cold where you live and you have to wear snow gloves, you've got to take the gloves off anyway to operate the buttons (or have little holes in the finger tips).

"Touch screens designed to limit the life of the camera." Complete hogwash.

 

[AdamWCohenVisuals]

The 5Dmk3 is an amazing tool. I love it. Mostly shooting portraits and weddings. It feels like the ideal Canon tool for weddings. It's versatility really comes in handy. More than enough pixels, more than enough fps, and some frankly miraculous AF performance in low-light conditions.

If Canon could find a way to add spot metering linked to all cross-type AF points I'd be psyched. The technique used to achieve this in the absence of the feature isn't too cumbersome, but it would actually be helpful and I'd consider it a major upgrade to the 5D shooting experience.

If Canon has improved low ISO noise performance, that would be great, but I don't see this as really problematic (never had a client notice or complain about it). I'm not talking about noise in deep shadows or noise from dirty sensors. I'm talking about a perfectly exposed shot at ISO 320 where the light shadows under a face or slightly darker out-of-focus backgrounds contain detectable noise. It would be better if the noise weren't there.

I'm probably going to have a difficult time justifying the 5DmkIV on a "need" basis. When a video project comes up, I'm shooting with the C100 or C300, not a DSLR. The added cost for CFast cards that I don't need is lame. I'd have to incur this slightly higher cost because I need both memory slots filled when I'm shooting a wedding. Definitely not a deal breaker, but I would gain nothing from it. Zilch benefit for stills shooting.

When the 5D mk4 comes out and there are price drops on brand new 5D mkIIIs, I think I may pick up one (or two) as back-ups.

 

[Ozarker]

If your nose is reasonably sized, like my fathers it will hit the screen way before the eye eclips the finder...
Touch screens are designed and introduced to put a limited lifespan on the camera. Further, I live a winterland and do not wanna depend on special gloves to operate a camera.

You've never had a Canon with a touch screen, have you?

• The sensor does not just turn it of when the viewfinder is touched but even a few centimeters before
• Even if it would not you would not accidently do anything because you would have to activate touch functionality by clicking on the Q in the corner of the screen first
• If you should not like it you could turn it off alltogether
• Keep your gloves and use it like before

Even with touch screen cameras you do not have to use the touch funcionality. I have a 100D with a touchscreen but as my 6D and my 7D do not have one, I tend to forget about it and use it just like the other cameras without a problem.

These out of touch know nothings worried about noses changing their settings pop-up every time a touch screen is mentioned on a new camera. They are either trolls or have never read a single thread speaking to this non-issue. Like cockroaches, they never go away. Even when it is explained to them they refuse to believe the truth.

I would, though, like to know where to get a set of those special touchscreen gloves.

 

[Ozarker]

...if it's 9fps with mirror Down using the AF module, my plans to buy a 1DX2 have been lost...so Canon will likely NOT be doing this.

Becuase...you're Canon's CEO? Because...you're their one and only customer? Because...you are representative of the global market for the 1D X II? Or was there some other reason that I missed?

You totally beat me to it. Canon design team says, " Kevin will never buy this camera in that configuration. Change the design. Dang it!"

 

[Ozarker]

Why buy a 1DX Mark II at 16 FPS when one can buy a 7D mark III at 10 FPS and get extra reach?

Doesn't Canon realize how bad the 7D mark II is cannibalizing 1DX mark II sales? :

 

[Loswr]

I have also used a 5DIII in the rain, snow and scorching heat. My 5DIII's have been to Brazil and Madrid in the heat of their sumemrs...Sri Lanka in the monsoon season...I've done Slovenian mountains in the snow...there is no problem with the 5DIII's build quality. It's very close to the 1DX. My 5DIII's are still going strong and i bought them th week thy were launched. The view finder is 100% and just as good as the 1Dx. Low light? Yes the 5DIII is just as good. I think you are running some kind of prejudice against the 5DIII. It was built for uk weddings....go ask Jeff Ascough.

Did I hit a raw nerve?

I took a note with regards to the viewfinder. Yes, both are 100%, but the 1DX has a significantly larger viewfinder, and I much prefer it over the one in my 5Ds.

+1. The featherweight champ is just as good as the heavyweight champ, except, you know...one is bigger. : The 5DIII vs. 1D X viewfinder is like that.

In a more general way, for some applications sure, the 5DIII is just as good as the 1D X, or substantially better (e.g. silent shooting). However, low light isn't one of them, since the 1D X has higher SNR and close to a full stop more DR at higher ISOs. 'Good enough for Jeff Ascough' doesn't mean 'just as good.' I think you are running some kind of prejudice in favor of the 5DIII...

 

[Loswr]

Hi -1!
Since when is a 5D a semi-professional bridge camera? It is a full professional full-frame camera! Have you ever used it?

In the US, the 5D3 is marketed as a semi-pro camera, whereas it is marketed as a pro camera in the EU.

I bristle at the notion that there's anything 'semi' serious about the 5D3, but it's amazing to see the spread of perspectives on what market 'buckets' to put this in:

Every wedding I go to, professionals are lugging two around their necks.

Wikipedia says it is semi-professional.

DXO (famously) calls it semi-professional.

The original product announcement in 2012 from Canon does not specify.

At Canon USA the word professional is nowhere in the spec list, main product write-up, or manual.

Canon USA makes no distinction of pro vs. semi-pro vs. entry level. Canon EU clealy includes both the 1-series and the 5-series in the 'professional' category. Canon Austraulia includes only the 1-series as professional the 5-series are grouped with the 6D, 7DII and xxD cameras as 'enthusiast' bodies.

So, overall perhaps 'semi-professional' is a reasonable compromise. On a practical level, it's all irrelevant anyway - a professional earns a living doing whatever it is they're doing, any duffer can buy top of the line Taylor Made clubs, it doesn't put them on the PGA tour, much less make them Jason Day.

 

[Don Haines]

Why buy a 1DX Mark II at 16 FPS when one can buy a 7D mark III at 10 FPS and get extra reach?

Doesn't Canon realize how bad the 7D mark II is cannibalizing 1DX mark II sales? :

Yes, but the 80D is cannibalizing 7D2 sales......

and the T6i is cannibalizing 80D sales......

and the iPhone is cannibalizing T61 sales.....

Therefore, rather than get a !DX2, get an .....

 

[arthurbikemad]

I offered a neighbour some free portrait shots only this weekend, had my 5D3 in my bag with 200mm f2.0 and thought it would be nice to snap her girls all dressed up leaving for the school prom, was told no thanks we have done the shots on our iPhone... that shut me up!

 

[-1]

If your nose is reasonably sized, like my fathers it will hit the screen way before the eye eclips the finder...
Touch screens are designed and introduced to put a limited lifespan on the camera. Further, I live a winterland and do not wanna depend on special gloves to operate a camera.

You've never had a Canon with a touch screen, have you?

• The sensor does not just turn it of when the viewfinder is touched but even a few centimeters before
• Even if it would not you would not accidently do anything because you would have to activate touch functionality by clicking on the Q in the corner of the screen first
• If you should not like it you could turn it off alltogether
• Keep your gloves and use it like before

Even with touch screen cameras you do not have to use the touch funcionality. I have a 100D with a touchscreen but as my 6D and my 7D do not have one, I tend to forget about it and use it just like the other cameras without a problem.

These out of touch know nothings worried about noses changing their settings pop-up every time a touch screen is mentioned on a new camera. They are either trolls or have never read a single thread speaking to this non-issue. Like cockroaches, they never go away. Even when it is explained to them they refuse to believe the truth.

I would, though, like to know where to get a set of those special touchscreen gloves.

Here ya go: http://www.spintoband.com/s-touch-screen-gloves

I've already responded to your other reservations... ヅ

 

[kaihp]

In the US, the 5D3 is marketed as a semi-pro camera, whereas it is marketed as a pro camera in the EU.

Canon USA makes no distinction of pro vs. semi-pro vs. entry level. Canon EU clealy includes both the 1-series and the 5-series in the 'professional' category. Canon Australia includes only the 1-series as professional the 5-series are grouped with the 6D, 7DII and xxD cameras as 'enthusiast' bodies.

Oops, my bad. I mixed AUS with US in this case.

Just so it's clear: I'm not endorsing Canon's labeling of the 5D one way or the other; I was merely reporting it for the discussion.

 

[Loswr]

I would, though, like to know where to get a set of those special touchscreen gloves.

Here ya go: http://www.spintoband.com/s-touch-screen-gloves

They're not that special any more. My wife and I have several pair in different styles that I got from REI. Heck, even my young kids' fleece gloves (North Face and REI-branded) have touchscreen capability.

During the winter, I sometimes spend many hours in subzero temperatures shooting eagles and snowy owls. Thin, knitted gloves like those on the first page of the linked site would be woefully inadequate for those conditions. Personally, I use REI all-season tech gloves with REI Thermo glove/mittens worn over the thinner tech gloves. That allows me to have everything but the tips of my right thumb and index finger with two layers of coverage, while still enabling me to operate all the relevant camera controls and use my iPhone.

 

[ahsanford]

I would, though, like to know where to get a set of those special touchscreen gloves.

Here ya go: http://www.spintoband.com/s-touch-screen-gloves

They're not that special any more. My wife and I have several pair in different styles that I got from REI. Heck, even my young kids' fleece gloves (North Face and REI-branded) have touchscreen capability.

During the winter, I sometimes spend many hours in subzero temperatures shooting eagles and snowy owls. Thin, knitted gloves like those on the first page of the linked site would be woefully inadequate for those conditions. Personally, I use REI all-season tech gloves with REI Thermo glove/mittens worn over the thinner tech gloves. That allows me to have everything but the tips of my right thumb and index finger with two layers of coverage, while still enabling me to operate all the relevant camera controls and use my iPhone.

+1. If you want your tech to coexist well with the outdoors, it's shocking how much stuff REI has to help with that. I wouldn't buy any camera bags or packs from them, but touchscreen gloves, desiccant, tiny carabiners (to build quick releases on your hiking pack shoulder straps), etc. -- they are far more tech-friendly than the earthy-crunchy 'put your screens away' vibe that they put out.

- A

 

[Ozarker]

Why buy a 1DX Mark II at 16 FPS when one can buy a 7D mark III at 10 FPS and get extra reach?

Doesn't Canon realize how bad the 7D mark II is cannibalizing 1DX mark II sales? :

Yes, but the 80D is cannibalizing 7D2 sales......

and the T6i is cannibalizing 80D sales......

and the iPhone is cannibalizing T61 sales.....

Therefore, rather than get a !DX2, get an .....

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