Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specification List [CR1]

[ahsanford]

Oh, yeah. Oops. I normally know that film aspect ratios are different to photography ones.

At least this means there isn't a good reason to go for this higher MP count for the sake of better video.

If it’s a video orientated camera 39.3mp would be nice though, but personally I think it’s too close to the 5DS/R and I doubt we’re commercially at the level where a 39mp sensor can do output speeds of 30 or 60 frames per second of the entire sensor. So I expect a lower pixel count. It could very well be 24mp but if that’s the case the sensor and other features need to have substantial improvements if they want people to upgrade from a 5DIII.

I"ll go a step further -- there is a megapixel ceiling on the 5D4 just like there is FPS ceiling. Just as much as a 10-12 fps 5D4 might steal Canon of 1DX sales, a (hypothetically) 36 MP 5D4 will threaten the 5DS camp. Though the price for the 5DS rigs and the 5D4 will be similar (so you are less concerned about cannibalization financially), you don't want to alienate an entire group of shooters you just gave their dream rig to.

So I see the 5D4 MP count sitting in the 20s somewhere. 24, 28, whatever. Somewhere around there.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

It has all been said before, but will it have the blue g 8) 8)?

Did you mean blue goo like the 35L II BR stuff? Where, on the sensor?

Sure, and I think we'll get IS and USM on it, too.

- A

 

[Loswr]

It has all been said before, but will it have the blue g 8) 8)?

Did you mean blue goo like the 35L II BR stuff? Where, on the sensor?

Sure, and I think we'll get IS and USM on it, too.

- A

Sure, Canon will use it to help get better DxOMark scores. If lenses can have DR, why can't sensors have blue goo?

 

[pierlux]

And to add my 2 cents, as a 5D3 user I see no reason to upgrade even if they add a Saeco espresso dispenser. (Ok well I would if that happened) but I just chime in because I'm in that incremental camp of realism as well. Now, I'm waiting for the Mk4 update to potentially help me judge what the 6D2 will be getting in trickle theory so I can once again have a 2nd body (with focusing screen and macro friendly flippy screen)

Always nice to hear someone speaking words of wisdom. Well, read, actually. Common sense is a rare commodity in the land where GAS reigns supreme.

I promised I won't upgrade before both the 5D IV and 6D II are released and probably wait a bit longer for their price to settle. This time I'll honor my promise, I didn't with the 7D II.

 

[romanr74]

I'm surprised people are so fixated on the MP count and not including the new sensor architecture. Even if it is a modest bump in MP it's a huge bump in sensor architecture.

Because Canon is obviously behind somehow, but it seems that Canon have sorted out their low ISO dynamic range issues.

Agree. Improved sensor tech at same resolution is a nice improvement. Getting a little MP increase would not be awful neither. I was out with my 11-24mm f/4.0 this past weekend and the thing is so wide and soooooo great that I actually started appreciating the idea of the 50mp body bundle...

 

[ahsanford]

I'm surprised people are so fixated on the MP count and not including the new sensor architecture. Even if it is a modest bump in MP it's a huge bump in sensor architecture.

Because Canon is obviously behind somehow, but it seems that Canon have sorted out their low ISO dynamic range issues.

Agree. Improved sensor tech at same resolution is a nice improvement. Getting a little MP increase would not be awful neither. I was out with my 11-24mm f/4.0 this past weekend and the thing is so wide and soooooo great that I actually started appreciating the idea of the 50mp body bundle...

There are a few of us on this forum, I suspect, that are hoping Canon completely hits it out of the park, like a D700 to D800 level improvement, in which resolution, DR and noise levels are all dramatically improved.

I think that's a very unique instance where Nikon cut a check to Sony for just the right opportunity. I don't see that kind of cavalry coming with the 5D4, but it will still improve nonetheless.

- A

 

[bdunbar79]

I'm surprised people are so fixated on the MP count and not including the new sensor architecture. Even if it is a modest bump in MP it's a huge bump in sensor architecture.

Because Canon is obviously behind somehow, but it seems that Canon have sorted out their low ISO dynamic range issues.

Agree. Improved sensor tech at same resolution is a nice improvement. Getting a little MP increase would not be awful neither. I was out with my 11-24mm f/4.0 this past weekend and the thing is so wide and soooooo great that I actually started appreciating the idea of the 50mp body bundle...

There are a few of us on this forum, I suspect, that are hoping Canon completely hits it out of the park, like a D700 to D800 level improvement, in which resolution, DR and noise levels are all dramatically improved.

I think that's a very unique instance where Nikon cut a check to Sony for just the right opportunity. I don't see that kind of cavalry coming with the 5D4, but it will still improve nonetheless.

- A

Well, you can't really improve DR without improving noise levels...

 

[hmatthes]

Easy solution for the megapixel war in this thread: Perhaps Canon will announce a 5D4 family... a 24mb 5D4 AND a 50+mp 5D4sr -- then we could choose -- I'll buy the former while letting the pixel-peepers buy the sr version!

 

[ahsanford]

I'm surprised people are so fixated on the MP count and not including the new sensor architecture. Even if it is a modest bump in MP it's a huge bump in sensor architecture.

Because Canon is obviously behind somehow, but it seems that Canon have sorted out their low ISO dynamic range issues.

With the pace of innovation accelerating, its difficult to believe this rumor, especially the MP. Even if DR improves drastically ... a 2MP bump will be perceived as a wah-wah moment. If Canon comes in at 28-30MP, way more focus points to fill the viewfinder, better ISO range, WiFi, Cinema quality 4K, ... that would resonate. The specs in this rumor will make for a yawn.

Let's say for a moment that they boost the resolution significantly. Even at 36 MP, that would buy you a roughly 7x5k image. 24 MP would be 6x4k. So as much as 36 is a bigger number, it only bought you the smallest of detail boost or ability to crop. I'm not opposed to an MP bump, but it needs to be massive to be truly impactful.

It makes much more sense to improve performance in that same 22-24 MP neighborhood (DR, noise, etc.) and, I don't know, wow us with a great new feature. Simply playing whack-a-mole to match other manufacturer's specs is silly -- Canon needs to innovate at a feature level and give us something very valuable we weren't expecting, like how DPAF and anti-flicker arrived. Nice features like spot metering at any AF point, automated and comprehensive AFMA, wireless master on-board the camera, some clever MF lens focusing assistance through the viewfinder, etc. would be really appreciated.

- A

 

[pierlux]

Easy solution for the megapixel war in this thread: Perhaps Canon will announce a 5D4 family... a 24mb 5D4 AND a 50+mp 5D4sr -- then we could choose -- I'll buy the former while letting the pixel-peepers buy the sr version!

This solution is so brilliant that a 5D family with 50 MP options already exists!

 

[gsealy]

The actual video specs are the deal maker/breaker for me. The 1DxII has 4K, but it just misses the mark. It records internally 4K at 8 bits. External recording is limited to HD. It doesn't have C-Log either. Interesting is that it does have 4K 60FPS, which is great. The codec, motion JPEG, is a series of JPG files, and we know how JPG compares to RAW when it comes to color grading. So basically, I just can't see shelling out $6K for it.

It was said that the 5DIV will be more cinema/video oriented. Canon would do well to have external recording capability at 4K 60FPS true 10bit. Then using an Atomos that would record in Pro Res, for example, we could get good video to use and work with. This capability would be a natural extension to what we have with the 5DIII. If the 5DIV doesn't have it, then I can go elsewhere. There are a number of candidates out there.

 

[pierlux]

Nice features like spot metering at any AF point, automated and comprehensive AFMA, wireless master on-board the camera, some clever MF lens focusing assistance through the viewfinder, etc. would be really appreciated.

- A

I concur. Everybody else on CR, too, I presume. Question is, at which cost? If it's only a matter of software, probably the new features wouldn't impact much on price, but spot metering at any AF point and on-board wireless master are hardware things which, to some extent, would affect pricing.

 

[jeffa4444]

My eurocents:

24.2MP Sensor

My guess till now has been either 24 or 28MP, but if it's 24MP then 7fps sounds low.

DIGIC 7+ (Single)

7+? Sounds very dubious. No DSLR even has a DIGIC 7 yet, and a hypothetical 7+ would probably have way more processing power than just 24MP*7fps.

7fps

As mentioned above, seems low if the sensor is 24MP, the same data rate as the 80D but the processor is most probably faster than the 80D's DIGIC 6. Plausible if the sensor turns out to be 28MP instead.

ISO 100-51,200 (expandable options)

Plausible, even probable (if 51k is max native) - same as the 1DX2 and +1 stop compared to the 5D3.

The Canon G7 X MKII is the first camera with a Digic 7 processor so its in the wild and most likely headed for the Canon 5D MKIV.

 

[ahsanford]

Nice features like spot metering at any AF point, automated and comprehensive AFMA, wireless master on-board the camera, some clever MF lens focusing assistance through the viewfinder, etc. would be really appreciated.

- A

I concur. Everybody else on CR, too, I presume. Question is, at which cost? If it's only a matter of software, probably the new features wouldn't impact much on price, but spot metering at any AF point and on-board wireless master are hardware things which, to some extent, would affect pricing.

Canon would have us believe you need some dedicated 1D metering module to pull off spot metering at any AF point. A Nikon D5500 for $500 has this feature. Hell, my iPhone does this.

Are either of those a rock-solid, take-it-to-the-bank metering implementation? Most likely not. But I think it would be handy for run-and-gun shooting situation with changing lighting, say at events, shooting street, candids, etc.

It just seems such a nutty feature to withhold from non 1D cameras. This one I'll never understand.

- A

 

[jeffa4444]

I don't think anyone would invest $2500 in a 5D3 in year 4+ of its lifecycle, so folks needing an FF rig have a choice of a $1399 rig or a $3500 rig.

And yet, right now on Amazon the 5DIII is the #8 best-selling dSLR, while the 6D, 5DsR and 5Ds come in at #18, #54, and #105, respectively. So at least microcosm of Amazon.com, reality contradicts your thoughts on the matter.

Amazon is ONE retailer B&H likely shift more cameras than Amazon at the high end.
Canon however have a quandary the faithful are holding off waiting for the 5D IV and the 6D MKII that has to be hurting sales and whilst they mentioned the recent release of the EOS 80D they can certainly atribute flat sales partially to the waiting game.

 

[Loswr]

I don't think anyone would invest $2500 in a 5D3 in year 4+ of its lifecycle, so folks needing an FF rig have a choice of a $1399 rig or a $3500 rig.

And yet, right now on Amazon the 5DIII is the #8 best-selling dSLR, while the 6D, 5DsR and 5Ds come in at #18, #54, and #105, respectively. So at least microcosm of Amazon.com, reality contradicts your thoughts on the matter.

Amazon is ONE retailer B&H likely shift more cameras than Amazon at the high end.
Canon however have a quandary the faithful are holding off waiting for the 5D IV and the 6D MKII that has to be hurting sales and whilst they mentioned the recent release of the EOS 80D they can certainly atribute flat sales partially to the waiting game.

Of course...thus my use of the phrase highlighted above. The point was that in response to the statement, "I don't think anyone would invest $2500 in a 5D3 [today]," the fact that the 5DIII is currently on Amazon's Top-10 pretty clearly suggests that statement is wildly inaccurate.

 

[jeffa4444]

Owning both the 6D and the 5DS its not generally resolution thats the issue but DR. In low light noise is definately a factor so I would gladly take 24MP if I get better low light performance with a cleaner image when pushed.

The 5D MKIV should get the 150,000-pixel RGB+IR metering sensor Eos iSA System with 252-zone metering as found in the 5DS as well as the same type of reinforced base plate, mirror assembly and intervalometer all of which are improvements over the 5D MKIII. The USB 3 connector as found in the 5DS and 7D MKII is a pain in the ass using the screw on cable support it makes much more sense to go with the newer USB-C connector in the USB 3.1 standard like Apple it is smaller while keeping the same data rate throughput.

 

[pierlux]

Nice features like spot metering at any AF point, automated and comprehensive AFMA, wireless master on-board the camera, some clever MF lens focusing assistance through the viewfinder, etc. would be really appreciated.

- A

I concur. Everybody else on CR, too, I presume. Question is, at which cost? If it's only a matter of software, probably the new features wouldn't impact much on price, but spot metering at any AF point and on-board wireless master are hardware things which, to some extent, would affect pricing.

Canon would have us believe you need some dedicated 1D metering module to pull off spot metering at any AF point. A Nikon D5500 for $500 has this feature. Hell, my iPhone does this.

Are either of those a rock-solid, take-it-to-the-bank metering implementation? Most likely not. But I think it would be handy for run-and-gun shooting situation with changing lighting, say at events, shooting street, candids, etc.

It just seems such a nutty feature to withhold from non 1D cameras. This one I'll never understand.

- A

I'm afraid a dedicated metering module is necessary, but I'm not sure. I recall I read something about the possibility of implementing AF-linked metering in the 5D III on the Magic Lantern forum and the answer was no, it's not possible. (BTW, our member Marsu42 also chimed in in that thread, now he has disappeared from both CR and ML, I wonder what has happened to him...) But, as I said, I'm not sure. Anyone knows if it's really impossible with the current module? Not an essential feature, but better having it than not.

Actually, given Nikon offers it even in inexpensive cameras, it shouldn't be a costly feature. Different issue as far as wireless flash commander is concerned, this one would be expensive for sure.

 

[Maiaibing]

36 MP 5D4 will threaten the 5DS camp. Though the price for the 5DS rigs and the 5D4 will be similar (so you are less concerned about cannibalization financially), you don't want to alienate an entire group of shooters you just gave their dream rig to.

That's me. Would 10x rather have 36 MPIX 5D4 than 24 MPIX. Thank you Canon.

 

[Maiaibing]

What does CR1 mean? I'm new here.

Only the "CrazyOne's" will take any notice of this...