Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specification List [CR1]

[ahsanford]

I don't think anyone would invest $2500 in a 5D3 in year 4+ of its lifecycle, so folks needing an FF rig have a choice of a $1399 rig or a $3500 rig.

And yet, right now on Amazon the 5DIII is the #8 best-selling dSLR, while the 6D, 5DsR and 5Ds come in at #18, #54, and #105, respectively. So at least microcosm of Amazon.com, reality contradicts your thoughts on the matter.

But that's the rebuttal to everything, right? Canon always sells well.

I'm not saying the sky is falling or Nikon is killing us or anything -- I'm just saying I like Nikon's concept of a middle option. That's all.

- A

 

[pwp]

I really hope 24MP is not the final number. I was totally hoping for 28MP.

Could you really tell the difference?

-pw

 

[slclick]

I really hope 24MP is not the final number. I was totally hoping for 28MP.

Could you really tell the difference?

-pw

I'll take lower for better low light noise anyday

 

[Zv]

If we've learned anything at all from last time when the 5D3 came out is that we should expect incremental improvements. This spec sheet is probably close to what we're gonna get. I think it has some substance.

The real improvements will be those not on paper, the little things like ergonomics, buttons and menu options, customization options etc.

Is 28Mpix vs 24Mpix a life changing difference? I hardly think so. 7fps is still pretty good for weddings and events. Some get by just fine with the 5DS and it's 5fps for wildlife! We've seen those shots right here on CR forum! Would having one more fps be make or break? I doubt it.

The only thing really lacking in the 5D3 in my opinion was the sensor. It seems a bit dated now with the 1DXII and 80D releases. Stick one of them newly engineered sensors in the 5D3 and we're pretty much good to go! Everything else is just gravy!

 

[instaimage]

Sorry CR but this "rumor" feels like click bait to keep us coming back to the site... Do you really need that? Don't most all of us come back here daily cause we're starved for all that is Canon?

You have a "polished" 80D here with a few obvious (as in they're on the current models) "enhancements"... There will be a revolt if Canon drops that polished turd on us and calls it the 5D4...

Oh aren't rumors fun! Even if they sound like complete fiction...

 

[John daniel]

If these are the true specs which I dought, the announcement day of this camera would be the day Canon would have lost the mid pro market and it's reputation.

JD
Was a long time user of the 5D serie from day one but not anymore. But I am still on for the 1D X II.

 

[pierlux]

About the rumored new battery, I think we should not dress our head before having broken it. Compatibility with LP-E6/6n is possible, so let's wait for more substantial information before complaining.

About CFast, I've just checked how much I paid for a SanDisk Extreme IV 8 GB UDMA in late 2008: 144 Euros! But I wanted to try out the video capabilities of my 5D II, so I bought it anyway. A few months later, UDMA cards dropped to 1/4 of their launch price. CFast are going to be no exception, as soon as their sales skyrocket, the price will drop greatly.

CFast/CF makes much more sense. My SD slot stays empty.

If they could accomodate that configuration in a 5D body, Canon would have probably already done it with dual CF in the Mark III.

Canon know the vast majority of us would prefer the CFast/CF option - myself in primis; since I don't believe they're driven by either masochistic or sadistic intent I think if they can, they'll do it. I'm afraid they can't, unfortunately. But, who knows, 5D II was single card, the more they shrink the parts inside the body, the more room they make for what can't be shrunk, such as cards, so, maybe...

 

[deletemyaccount]

These alleged rumored features look very close to the same spec as my 4 year old 5DIII. I understand the economics keeping you as a world leader but I personally don't see anything compelling enough to convince me to buy.

It will just cost more money, require different batteries, more expensive memory cards and a new battery battery grip. I'm a little disappointed by what I see but then again this is a rumor correct?

 

[Bennymiata]

If the 5d4 comes in with good 4k video and adc converter on chip, like the 80d and 1dx2, then I'm sold.
My 5d3 has around 200k clicks on it and I want to make it my backup.

If it doesn't have 4k video, then I will reluctantly have to consider a 1dx2, but I really don't want the extra weight.

I do weddings and product shots mainly, and having slo-mo 4k would be really usefull.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I laugh when people talk about an investment in memory cards. Talk about a depreciating asset! Wow! They depreciate MUCH faster than cars. Seriously... You consider a handful of practically disposable memory cards from 3 years ago an investment? Pay attention. Geez.

As for this rumor or any others that show up within the next 2 months, if we are to believe that the actual announcement is 4 months away, they are complete fabrications. They may be well designed, but they're fabrications. People send them in because they're trolling CR Guy and the users of this site. They enjoy watching people get worked up.

I could easily craft a believable rumor fairly easily for the 5D Mark IV. It would take about 10 minutes. And if posted by CR Guy, it would lead to PAGES of responses which included a combination of applause, personal wish lists that varied from my well-crafted rumor, and proclamations of doom.

And for anyone wishing to create their own rumor, a sure-fire way to get it posted is to put it in a bullet point format just like the press releases. And for extra points, follow the same order that the last camera had in its bullet-point format.

The specifications for a new model are worked out about 2 years in advance, but may have minor changes if technology allows as long as cost does not increase. Canon holds those specifications very closely, and only a few people see the whole picture, its compartmentalized. Even VP's do not get the info unless they must have it to do their job. These people do not EVER leak information.

As the release time gets closer, more and more people are brought into the circle of those who know the whole picture. By now, production has already started, and prototypes are in the hands of employees and perhaps one or two Canon makers of light. Those people are not talking either.

Finally, in the last two months, the circle includes enough people that some of them will start sending e-mails to CR. CR guy knows those who have sent in correct information in the past, and when he gets information from multiple known sources, we might have a CR2 rumor. Finally, he receives photocopies of specs, photos of the camera and lots of cross confirmations and it becomes a CR3. This is normally very close to the announcement, sometimes just a week or less, but has happened a couple of months ahead in very few cases. Those who leak data may be companies preparing advertising, printing the manuals, or perhaps a tester tells some friend who turns out to have a loose tongue. In any event, it becomes impossible to control the information when the announcement is only days away. The press is invited, and press announcements are leaked.


I suppose I have 3 year old memory cards, but I have 6 month old ones as well, and they were not cheap.

 

[noms78]

RESOLUTION
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I would have thought the 5D4 would need to be somewhat competitive with the D810 in terms of resolving power. I'm not interested in the 50MP 5DS/R sensors until they improve their noise/dynamic range (the "look" of the images do not look full frame quality - its akin to taking a crop sensor and sticking a much higher MP sensor into it, or comparing a crop sensor to a FF sensor, or a FF sensor to a MF sensor). Another thing to think about is the successor to the D810 could be using Sony's 42mp sensor. It will be interesting to see what happens to the 5DS/R successors.

If the 5D4 had a megapixel count of 28-34MP I would think that would be more future proof. 24MP is not high enough in this age of 4k displays (and televisions) and I believe 4k is really going to take off in the next two years. The initial jump from 22 to 28 is much more important than from 28-34, for example.

IMAGE PLAYBACK
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Canon needs to improve the image playback options on the 5D3 successor. With the 5D3 it is annoying having to press the "info" button several times to display the RGB histogram (which I use all frequently to assess propr exposure), and several times again to hide it (when composing a shot). Also the ISO needs to be displayed in non-zoomed shot settings playback mode (it currently only displays file number, aperture, shutter)

 

[Diko]

It seems we're in the zone of diminishing returns - longer cycles, less change. Also, consider the overall strategy regarding target audience: who is a more likely buyer of a 5DIV – a 5DIII owner, or someone with a 5DII, 6D or APS-C body? Canon has data collected from prior releases to inform on that, and I'm sure it guides their feature choices across the lines.

+1

I love how threads like this bring the trolls crawling from their caves. :

Looks like they have been there for a while with no connection to the real world, since everyone is talking about them earthquakes of SONY's future sales.

 

[timcz]

As much as everyone says Sony will make more money I just can't see that happening really. A few more will do it, but many will still buy the canon.

I have an a7r that's actually currently for sale because as nice as the sensor is to use, I hate using it. It's such a pig, it's slow, it's clunky and has issues. I know they fixed a lot with mk2 but I don't want to pay 4K for something in Australia that I still have to adapt lenses to etc.

I too want d810 level specs but I know it won't happen mp wise because of all the wedding togs that will likely benefit more from this when canon are prob pointing the landscapers like me to the 5ds (which is a great camera).

So if I get a bit more DR with shadows you can pull like the 80D (not to stupid +4 ev levels that people like to demonstrate), and something around the 28mp mark I'll be happy. If it's 24, then so be it. I shoot a bit of wildlife too so any improvement on AF is welcome but the 5d3 does a great job now anyway. I'd like the built in intervalometer like the 80d has too.

At the end of the day I look at what people like Marc adamus did with the 5d2 that I can't even get close to, so I've seen what my mk3 can do. Any improvement will be welcome by me.

 

[K]

My analysis of the rumored specs -


First, a foreword. These specs are likely very, very close to what will be. This is based on trends, logic, and the conservative nature of upgrades and Canon, not the wishful thinking of consumers.

<li>24.2MP Sensor</li>

This sounds right. 28MP is too high for what will be a wedding pro's workhorse. Or any event shooter. 24mp is already a lot of data for a wedding pro shooting 1,200 - 2,000 photos per event. It's a nice bump in resolution. It is a nice sweet spot. Gives space for buffers, accommodates speed, doesn't fill up cards too fast, doesn't slow down workflow - and plenty of resolution for cropping and printing huge albums. Also, gives more flexibility for low-light performance.


<li>61 AF Points (41 crosstype)</li>


This is probably dead on. The 1DX2 got the same AF system, but with better programming/processing. Likewise, the 5D4 will have the same points and types, but with improved sensitivity and processing. I hope it is also -3EV.

<li>DIGIC 7+ (Single)</li>

ok

<li>7fps</li>

This is realistic. Makes it fast, but not quite a sports camera. I was hoping for 8. That would have made it fantastic and that is the best compromise in that no, Canon isn't doing to give anyone a FF camera that can suit the speed needs of most which could undercut the 1D series, so 9 or 10 is out. 8 is fair. 7 is the most modest increase possible, a little stingy, but realistic.

<li>ISO 100-51,200 (expandable options)</li>

1 stop more native ISO. To be expected. Almost mandatory. We hope that it's not just 1 stop better, but cleaner, no banding or weird stuff, and more dynamic range. If the 80D is any indicator, the sensor on the 5D4 is going to be excellent.

<li>3.2″ touchscreen LCD</li>

Not sure this is any good unless the camera also has DPAF.

<li>CFast/SD card slots</li>

CFast is good move. Progress is important. CF is dead, old standard. Surely, many will whine and cry who have a pile of expensive CF cards. That's just the way it goes. Need faster standard to clear buffers.

<li>Wifi built-in</li>

This is nice, and a real possibility. Hopefully it supports the fastest wifi standards for file transfer. Better yet, USB3 or USB-C tethering.

<li>GPS built-in</li>

Not sure why this would be included? This is a feature best suited for the 6D and 5DS - cameras enthusiasts, travelers, and landscape shooters prefer.

<li>BG-E20 battery grip</li>

Ok.


<li>LP-E20 battery</li>

There is nothing wrong with the current battery, making this move is just to milk consumers out of more $$

<li>Slight weight reduction</li>

This is always welcome.



Not mentioned ---


4K and DPAF.

Maybe we get one and not the other as to not make this too powerful of a video camera? That would be very Canonesque in style for sure.

CFast with only 7fps tells me the CFast is all about 4K. Otherwise, it is a useless advancement.

DPAF is great, but goes hand in hand with touch screen.

 

[unfocused]

Why I'm skeptical of the CFast/SD Card Slot portion of the rumor:

1DX II: Canon opted for CF and CFast. Why would they now decide to go with CFast and SD? It just seems a little random to me.

 

[millsrg1]

Just give me a dang FLIPPY TOUCHSCREEN. Landscapes, astrophotography, architecture and any other low angle shooting is such a pain in the ass without it. Never understood why this feature won't break into the professional cameras, its so simple. The durability argument is BS. Just because it seems gimmicky doesn't make it an amateur feature, it's extremely freaking convenient. when this thing launches that little screen better flip out or I'm taking a dump in a box and shipping it to Japan.

 

[noms78]

<li>24.2MP Sensor</li>
This sounds right. 28MP is too high for what will be a wedding pro's workhorse. Or any event shooter.

The higher the better IMO. My ideal range would be 26-32MP. To accommodate those who want around the 20MP mark just offer a mRAW format. The 5D series are "all round" camera that one should be able to use for every style of photography. It should offer a compromise between the 1DxII and the 5DS/R but should definitely have ISO performance and dynamic range closer to the 1DxII. I have little interest in the current generation of 5DS/R despite their amazing resolution. Something about the image quality does not look right to me.

Do many wedding photographers who use D800/D810?

 

[privatebydesign]

Why I'm skeptical of the CFast/SD Card Slot portion of the rumor:

1DX II: Canon opted for CF and CFast. Why would they now decide to go with CFast and SD? It just seems a little random to me.

Maybe because computers that have SD card slots are very common. SD is ubiquitous.

 

[tpatana]

One of the earlier rumors stated that 5D4 is even better for video than 1DX2. Assuming that's true, CFast is (unfortunately) about mandatory to be there. They can't go dual-CFast, so the other might (unfortunately) be SD.

I'd be ok with dual-CF, but the video might require CFast.

 

[pvalpha]

A new battery sort of irks me. I'm considering this for a purchase next year. Having a different battery that will be incompatible with my LP-E6N's will annoy me slightly.

As for the C-Fast and SD slots - I think this would probably be the best compromise. CFast is necessary if they're focusing on 4k capability. CF just can't cut it. And if they go with the UHS II specification for the SD card... that's a lot of potential throughput, on a par with the fastest CF cards. The spec is capable of 158MBps - 312MBps. UHS I U3 cards can get a max of 104MBps. I use a UHS I U3 card in my 7DmII. Its faster than most of my CF cards.

Of course, all this is just wishful thinking and daydreaming. The specs look realistic. Could be a complete fake - but maybe Canon is trawling through the site looking for people's wish lists.