Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specification List [CR1]

[unfocused]

Reading through this thread, I get the sense that a whole lot of people are just laying the groundwork for justifying much whining and wailing when the actual 5D IV is introduced.

The listed specs were not rocket science. Anyone who is realistic and has been paying attention could pretty much write the same or similar spec list. And, in addition, at this point in the development of DSLRs (they are now a mature product with incremental, not revolutionary advancements -- get over it) the feature set is not that significant.

The 5DIV will have slightly better resolution, slightly better dynamic range, slightly better high ISO noise performance, slightly faster fps and slightly better autofocus than its predecessor. It appears Canon is going to throw in some added features, such as GPS and WiFi, dual-pixel autofocus, some type of touch screen and 4K video.

All in all, that's a very nice and logical upgrade from one generation to the next.

If that's not enough for you, well...you can either buy the 1DX II or switch brands if you think another brand has more to offer. But, don't take it personally. Canon has done their market research and they will be offering a camera targeted to, you know, real buyers, not the spec geeks who populate forums.

 

[pierlux]

Reading through this thread, I get the sense that a whole lot of people are just laying the groundwork for justifying much whining and wailing when the actual 5D IV is introduced.

The listed specs were not rocket science. Anyone who is realistic and has been paying attention could pretty much write the same or similar spec list. And, in addition, at this point in the development of DSLRs (they are now a mature product with incremental, not revolutionary advancements -- get over it) the feature set is not that significant.

The 5DIV will have slightly better resolution, slightly better dynamic range, slightly better high ISO noise performance, slightly faster fps and slightly better autofocus than its predecessor. It appears Canon is going to throw in some added features, such as GPS and WiFi, dual-pixel autofocus, some type of touch screen and 4K video.

All in all, that's a very nice and logical upgrade from one generation to the next.

If that's not enough for you, well...you can either buy the 1DX II or switch brands if you think another brand has more to offer. But, don't take it personally. Canon has done their market research and they will be offering a camera targeted to, you know, real buyers, not the spec geeks who populate forums.

But... but... unfocused, by saying this you plain kill my prediction of 20 pages of comments in 48 hours! We're at 10 in 24, it's only halfway, how dare you use so much common sense?

 

[Sabaki]

Hmmmmm...what's the new nag point going to be if Canon has sorted out the DR and noise performance?

Seems MP count is a serious contender :

 

[kaihp]

It would be neat if Canon offered each body with a handful of different sensor sizes (i.e., 18, 24, 28, 36 and 50 MP, with varying high ISO and FPS performance), like how iPhones come with different memory options. I'm not sure how possible this would be from an engineering (or economic) standpoint, but it would save people from arguing about how 24 MP isn't enough, as though Canon aren't able to make a 28 MP sensor.

Hell will freeze over before this happens. While it would be technically possible to do this, it would not commercially possible.

The sensor isn't like the memory in your iPhone or PC, where you put multiple chips beside each other in order to expand the memory.

Consider the following:

• In order to make your 5 different sensor sizes, Canon would have to develop 5 different sensors, each requiring their own production mask sets (these are not cheap).
  
• The firmware would have to know the sensor size and the 50MP camera is likely to require more in-camera DRAM for temporary storage (before writing to the flash card, be it CF, SD or CFast).
• FPS: a higher FPS will require a different mirrorbox, which can withstand the higher speeds and shock from slapping that mirror around. A higher FPS mirrorbox will most likely be more expensive than a low-FPS mirrorbox.
• SKUs (Stock Keeping Units). With 5 different SKUs to choose from, Canon will have to manufacture and keep stock of products and spare parts for 5 products rather than one. Since Canon doesn't know which of the five SKUs that will be the big sellers, the popular ones will be undersupplied, while the other will languish on the store shelves (or worse: Canon's inventory shelves). This will drive up cost.
• SKUs (part 2): with the total same volume of sold products, each of the 5 version would only sell in 1/5th the volume. This will drive up production costs, due to efficiency losses when switching between two SKUs

I'm even surprised that Canon chose to market two versions of the 5Ds (5Ds & 5DsR). I think this a "tester" from Canon, to see if there would be a realistic market for than one body with near-identical specs (in this case: with/without AA filter), since Nikon had previously gone that route.

 

[RickWagoner]

The mp and focus points seem wrong to me. Marketing wise it would be suicide to have the same mp as the crop bodies even at this high level. The 61 points is a bit low for such a grade body also the crop 80D and 7D2 are too near that number.


Protip, it will have 1.6 crop mode..red dot light viewfinder like 1dx2..also greater or same f8 focus points along with dpaf

you're right...i thought the 1dx had many more...ok then 61 sounds great

Really? And what about the 61 points of the 1DX II... oh, but wait, I forgot that Canon are doomed.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I wonder.
24MP, 7fps

by the time this ever comes out D820 might be 42MP 7fps (and over-sampled 4k video and top low ISO DR, as well as very good high ISO)

if this isn't fake, and it might be, one would sure hope the sensor can fully match Exmor isn't a half-way thing like the 80D sensor and that the 4k video will have all the basic usability features like live 100% zoom video focusing box, focus peaking, zebras and offer 10bit (plus CLOG) instead of 8bit, if they match the Sony/Nikon for MP and over-sampling amount, gotta at least do something better

 

[ahsanford]

I wonder.
24MP, 7fps

by the time this ever comes out D820 might be 42MP 7fps (and over-sampled 4k video and top low ISO DR, as well as very good high ISO)

If the 5D3 and D810 never truly matched up head to head (one was an all arounder, the other was a fine stills rig but couldn't do it all), the 5D4 and D820 (or D900) will further spread these two apart.

We've been waiting for the A7R II sensor to end up in a Nikon body -- though that may not happen if Nikon puts its own sensors in there again. But yes, if Nikon buys the a7R II sensor and drops a 7-8 fps 42 MP rig, Canon's rebuttal will be "With us, you can have 7-8 fps with a 5D4 OR you can have 50 MP in the 5DS rigs". That's not a stellar answer (if one presumes that question is asked of Canon in the future -- many here contend that they don't give a damn what Nikon offers).

I still think the 5D4 will outsell a D820 for a host of reasons, and I recognize a market is far far far more than an offering's simple brute force value proposition of [sensor size] X [MP] X [fps], but Nikon very well may offer that rig in the next 12 months to try to make some business.

- A

 

[slclick]

No matter how many in the know photographers tell you that it's glass over body any and every day, people still will threaten to jump ship to a lesser lens Mfg over a small camera body detail. Bodies are transient, skill is priceless.

 

[Viper28]

24mpx? I'd have thought that was a more suitable upgrade figure for the 6D2, I would hope they hit (at least) 28mpx for the 5D4. I'd also hope for 8fps

 

[slclick]

24mpx? I'd have thought that was a more suitable upgrade figure for the 6D2, I would hope they hit (at least) 28mpx for the 5D4. I'd also hope for 8fps

Would most buyers know 7 vs 8? Plus this isn't s sports oriented body class, it's an all rounder and 7 is pretty damn good for events, studio,landscape, most sports and wildlife. The quibbling over minute details here on a CR1 is entertaining.

 

[timcz]

At the end of the day, canon have shown what they're capable of with the 80d sensor now (assuming that will translate across to the 5d4 in terms of pushing shadows etc).

One big problem this will have for the scapes shooters like me is that yes there is a 5ds out there, but it won't have this when the 5d4 will. So it's a trade off between better DR choosing the 4, or more megapixels with the S/SR. Personally I'll take the 4, but you can see where many are coming from in the fact we have to choose which we'd prefer, when Nikon have had both in the one body for so long now.

I do welcome the 5d4 and what it brings - I'm just way too heavily invested in good canon glass to want to switch to Nikon (when really as I said in my previous post) the 5d3 does me well now.

 

[unfocused]

Hmmmmm...what's the new nag point going to be if Canon has sorted out the DR and noise performance?

Seems MP count is a serious contender :

The beauty of MP count is that there can never be an acceptable solution. It's simply a choice and not a "problem" to be solved. So, this will allow forum participants to argue forever without Canon ever being able to produce an acceptable product. Finally, we've found the perfect Canon Rumors battleground.

 

[leWrat]

Unlike some on this forum, I don't delude myself into thinking that Canon cares what I do or think.

Speak for yourself!
I know that the Canon board base all their important decisions on my comments in this forum. They have become very concerned as this is only my second post and so they have been at a loss as to how to run their business.
They have even been considering bringing back 35mm film, with free scissors in case you want a crop camera and unrestricted FPS, assuming your thumb can wind it quick enough!
So listen to me now board members, no scissors! Looking at some comments not everyone is grown up enough to be trusted with them!

 

[tiger82]

I hope the 5D Mark IV is north of $3499 so I can justify buying a used 1DX

 

[slclick]

Unlike some on this forum, I don't delude myself into thinking that Canon cares what I do or think.

Speak for yourself!
I know that the Canon board base all their important decisions on my comments in this forum. They have become very concerned as this is only my second post and so they have been at a loss as to how to run their business.
They have even been considering bringing back 35mm film, with free scissors in case you want a crop camera and unrestricted FPS, assuming your thumb can wind it quick enough!
So listen to me now board members, no scissors! Looking at some comments not everyone is grown up enough to be trusted with them!

It was actually your 3rd post which means to check your post for a shiny new Pixma Pro-100 with sample ink set.

 

[Loswr]

Unlike some on this forum, I don't delude myself into thinking that Canon cares what I do or think.

Speak for yourself!
I know that the Canon board base all their important decisions on my comments in this forum. They have become very concerned as this is only my second post and so they have been at a loss as to how to run their business.
They have even been considering bringing back 35mm film, with free scissors in case you want a crop camera and unrestricted FPS, assuming your thumb can wind it quick enough!
So listen to me now board members, no scissors! Looking at some comments not everyone is grown up enough to be trusted with them!

Well, certainly there's an exception to every rule.

If you wouldn't mind, please ask them to bring back the direct print button and to make it really big – maybe even use that big button on the top right/front, and move that less-important picture-taking thingamabutton to the back of the camera somewhere.

 

[ahsanford]

One big problem this will have for the scapes shooters like me is that yes there is a 5ds out there, but it won't have this when the 5d4 will. So it's a trade off between better DR choosing the 4, or more megapixels with the S/SR. Personally I'll take the 4, but you can see where many are coming from in the fact we have to choose which we'd prefer, when Nikon have had both in the one body for so long now.

If it's landscapes, you might just get an A7R II and an EF adaptor. That will get you Canon glass + the sensor performance you are looking for. No painful migration costs other than the cost of the body, adaptor, L-plate... and 17 batteries. :

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

Unlike some on this forum, I don't delude myself into thinking that Canon cares what I do or think.

Speak for yourself!
I know that the Canon board base all their important decisions on my comments in this forum. They have become very concerned as this is only my second post and so they have been at a loss as to how to run their business.
They have even been considering bringing back 35mm film, with free scissors in case you want a crop camera and unrestricted FPS, assuming your thumb can wind it quick enough!
So listen to me now board members, no scissors! Looking at some comments not everyone is grown up enough to be trusted with them!

Well, certainly there's an exception to every rule.

If you wouldn't mind, please ask them to bring back the direct print button and to make it really big – maybe even use that big button on the top right/front, and move that less-important picture-taking thingamabutton to the back of the camera somewhere.

dpreview has lost it's way since canon removed the direct print button.

 

[Eersel]

I'd prefer this.

24.2MP Sensor 28 MP
61 AF Points (41 crosstype) (Dual Pixel)
DIGIC 7+ (Single)
7fps
ISO 100-51,200 (expandable options)
3.2″ touchscreen LCD
CFast/SD card slots
Wifi built-in
GPS built-in
BG-E20 battery grip
LP-E20 battery
Slight weight reduction

 

[great9]

I really hope 24MP is not the final number. I was totally hoping for 28MP.

I'd be happy with better low-light performance than Sony.
It's gonna have 4k with 30 min limit - it has to - nikon has it.