Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specification List [CR1]

[privatebydesign]

Unlike some on this forum, I don't delude myself into thinking that Canon cares what I do or think.

Speak for yourself!
I know that the Canon board base all their important decisions on my comments in this forum. They have become very concerned as this is only my second post and so they have been at a loss as to how to run their business.
They have even been considering bringing back 35mm film, with free scissors in case you want a crop camera and unrestricted FPS, assuming your thumb can wind it quick enough!
So listen to me now board members, no scissors! Looking at some comments not everyone is grown up enough to be trusted with them!

Well, certainly there's an exception to every rule.

If you wouldn't mind, please ask them to bring back the direct print button and to make it really big – maybe even use that big button on the top right/front, and move that less-important picture-taking thingamabutton to the back of the camera somewhere.

dpreview has lost it's way since canon removed the direct print button.

I print direct from the 1Ds MkIII and would be very sorry to lose the rich feature set of the in camera editing and direct output to print.

 

[timcz]

One big problem this will have for the scapes shooters like me is that yes there is a 5ds out there, but it won't have this when the 5d4 will. So it's a trade off between better DR choosing the 4, or more megapixels with the S/SR. Personally I'll take the 4, but you can see where many are coming from in the fact we have to choose which we'd prefer, when Nikon have had both in the one body for so long now.

If it's landscapes, you might just get an A7R II and an EF adaptor. That will get you Canon glass + the sensor performance you are looking for. No painful migration costs other than the cost of the body, adaptor, L-plate... and 17 batteries. :

- A

Tried this with the a7r and it just wasn't friendly to use. Everytime id pick up my canon again it was like a gift from heaven lol.

My a7r is for sale as a result - I know v2 is better, but it's 4 grand here in Australia. Hard to justify when I still need to use an adapter which in itself is creating another source of potential issues.

 

[LoneRider]

This is pretty darn amusing.

So, y'all are worried about the 5Div with 8 or 9 FPS competing against the 7Dii, I think Canon would gladly lose the same of a 10FPS crop for a 8-9 FPS full frame sensor. Further, the 7Dii is likely also on the short refresh list, right after a DPAF EF-M camera and the 6Dii. Considering the 1DXii has 14 FPS, it is very reasonable to expect the 7Dii to get 12FPS. As it appears canon is getting exceptionally good at getting the floppy mirror to move really quickly with no vibration.

The 5Div will have all of the features of the 80D. The 5D is to stay the jack of all, and the master of weddings.

To do that is needs class leading 4K video, with touchscreen. I very much expect it to best the 1DXii, which is likely a firmware upgrade away from some better video features anyway.

As part of being the jack of all, they are going to put WIFI and GPS so dumb asses like myself will spend $3500 on a camera, and some more on FF lenses because we see the value in a $5-$10 Trimble GPS module.

Back to an old point of mine, do y'all really think Chevrolet is worried about 500+HP Camaro's siphoning off Corvette sales? NOPE Assuming Canon is firmly in the 21st century, the 1DXii is their iconic camera. For those who need the absolute best of the best. The 5Div will be there to bring in the bread and butter.

I think the hardest part of all this is were to position the 6Dii and the 5DSii. Former with DPAF? 5DSii likely will be the only Canon camera to be prices over $1000 without DPAF.

 

[ahsanford]

So, y'all are worried about the 5Div with 8 or 9 FPS competing against the 7Dii, I think Canon would gladly lose the same of a 10FPS crop for a 8-9 FPS full frame sensor. Further, the 7Dii is likely also on the short refresh list, right after a DPAF EF-M camera and the 6Dii. Considering the 1DXii has 14 FPS, it is very reasonable to expect the 7Dii to get 12FPS. As it appears canon is getting exceptionally good at getting the floppy mirror to move really quickly with no vibration.

Respectfully disagree.

We're not saying Canon would protect losing 7D2 sales to a high fps 5D4 -- as you correctly said, Canon would actually love that.

We're saying Canon would protect losing 1DX II sales to a high fps 5D4.

And the 7D line is historically on a glacial update timeframe, like 5 years. Don't expect a 7D3 anytime soon unless someone has hard, incontrovertible data that Canon has lost the amateur wildlife segment to the D500 (i.e. good luck with that). I see the 7D3 not arriving for a very long time -- if you are a birder with a boatload of Canon glass and are financially constrained to stay in crop for reach reasons, I highly doubt you'd bolt to Nikon (or some super mirrorless crop rig down the road) because the 7D refresh cycle was too slow. You'd probably suck it up and wait. Ask today's 7D2 users about that, because they just ran that gauntlet and waited for that refresh for years.

- A

 

[LoneRider]

So, y'all are worried about the 5Div with 8 or 9 FPS competing against the 7Dii, I think Canon would gladly lose the same of a 10FPS crop for a 8-9 FPS full frame sensor. Further, the 7Dii is likely also on the short refresh list, right after a DPAF EF-M camera and the 6Dii. Considering the 1DXii has 14 FPS, it is very reasonable to expect the 7Dii to get 12FPS. As it appears canon is getting exceptionally good at getting the floppy mirror to move really quickly with no vibration.

Respectfully disagree.

We're not saying Canon would protect losing 7D2 sales to a high fps 5D4 -- as you correctly said, Canon would actually love that.

We're saying Canon would protect losing 1DX II sales to a high fps 5D4.

I think they might be worried about losing business from people who have a 5D and a 7D for sports. And they might. With Nikon and Sony pushing specs, I think they would be silly to try to maintain a huge difference in FPS between the 1DX and the 5D. There is no point.

Of course, DPAF and a solid 4K Video, may make a very compelling jack of all trades camera, even if it only has 7 FPS.

I must admit, I would really like 8 or 9. The kids are in Taekwondo, doing board breaks and other stuff. The buildings tend to be questionably lit, and my 7D really, really struggles to get fast enough shutter speeds, yet keep the noise/ISO down. I spend far too much time balancing blur and how much I am willing to work on the pictures in LightRoom.

There is no freeking way I am going to spend 6K on a 1DX, but will stretch the budget for a FF that can do 8FPS.

I wonder if they will pull the same trick, strangle the mirror to 7 FPS, but allow live view to pop off frames at 8 to 10 FPS??

 

[LoneRider]

I am going to expand on my last point, if y'all don't mind.

So, if the shutter will be limited to 7FPS, but, they allow 1 to 3 extra FPS in live view mode, will that satisfy people?

The more I think about it, that will. I think 7 FPS will do fine for when I bird or bracket, and will go into live mode for the rare occasions that I need the extra FPS, like during board breaks.

 

[Refurb7]

We're saying Canon would protect losing 1DX II sales to a high fps 5D4.

I doubt that Canon is ever worried about losing sales to Canon. If they were, they wouldn't make a dozen or so DSLR models. If someone buys a 5D4 instead of a 1DX2, Canon doesn't lose anything. They'll sell many more 5D4 than 1DX2, making up for the "loss". The only lost sale they worry about is someone buying a Nikon/Sony/Pentax/etc. instead of a Canon.

 

[Freddie]

I have the 7D MK II, 5D MK III, and 5DS R. The only real problem I have with the 5D MK III is that it won't allow exposure compensation when using manual exposure and Auto-ISO. It's a great camera for me and has been for three years.
The two problems I see with the prospective specs being presented for the 5D MK IV is the CFast card and the battery model change. All else is okay. If the CFast card slot only has access to CFast cards, those cards are running at around 10 times the price of a CF card. I haven't compared all the options so they may be less than that in some cases but they are just too expensive for now. The fact that the batteries would perhaps no longer interchange with my other camera bodies is not a game changer but would be a big deterrent for my purposes.
We'll see what the real specs are in August, I guess.

 

[jebrady03]

And the 7D line is historically on a glacial update timeframe, like 5 years.

Don't forget, the 7.5D (7D + fw update) was more or less a light refresh of the 7D. That may or may not factor into the refresh cycle for the next iteration.

 

[TAF]

If this proves to be the specs for the 5D4, I see...a new lens in my future.

There really isn't enough improvement here (for my uses) warrant an upgrade, nor would it slake the thirst of GAS; my 5D3 is just fine, thank you.

A new lens, however, might just set the heart aflutter, and there might be something nifty announced at the same time.

 

[unfocused]

One big problem this will have for the scapes shooters like me is that yes there is a 5ds out there, but it won't have this when the 5d4 will...you can see where many are coming from in the fact we have to choose which we'd prefer...

That's true with anything. A comparable newer model of any product is going to have features that the older model doesn't have. When the 5Ds came out, it had features that the 5DIII didn't have. The 80D has some features the 7DII doesn't have and it's a less expensive camera.

The 5Ds II will have features that the 5DIV doesn't have. It's not like a manufacturer can go back in time and add features to an older model that weren't available when it was first introduced. If you want the resolution of the 5Ds and the features of the 5DIV, then wait until the 5Ds II comes out, it will likely not only have most of the features of the 5D IV, but some new ones as well.

 

[tpatana]

I have the 7D MK II, 5D MK III, and 5DS R. The only real problem I have with the 5D MK III is that it won't allow exposure compensation when using manual exposure and Auto-ISO. It's a great camera for me and has been for three years.

I already sold my 5D3 so I can't check, but somehow I feel I was doing that, can't remember how. If you switch to Av (or Tv), then dial exp-comp to what you want, and then back to M+A-ISO, did the exp-comp setting stay?

Big part of my shots were M+A-ISO, so I think that was there somewhere. Too old to remember properly though.

 

[tpatana]

Every thread is contaminated by the Exmor loving Nikotrolls.

Without 16 stops of DR, you just can't create a usable photo.

T-MAX is unusable for landscapes, not enough latitude!

Tri-X is unusable for portraiture, too much grain!


And just imagine the debate on painting forums about acrylics vs oils!

Ansel pictures are too sharp, hurts my eyes. Unusable photos.

 

[unfocused]

And the 7D line is historically on a glacial update timeframe, like 5 years.

Don't forget, the 7.5D (7D + fw update) was more or less a light refresh of the 7D. That may or may not factor into the refresh cycle for the next iteration.

Because Nikon all but abandoned the high-end crop frame market for years, there was no competitive pressure on Canon to rush to upgrade the original 7D. In addition, there are those who say that Canon needed to update its sensor fabrication processes and that contributed to the delay (I don't know if that's true or not).

Still, I expect that the wait between the 7DII and 7DIII will not be anywhere near as long as the wait between the 7D and 7D II. If the 6D II comes out sometime next spring, then we might see a 7DIII next fall. That's a bit of a wait, but nothing like the time between the 7D and 7D II. In the meantime, the 7DII remains very competitive against the new Nikon.

 

[LoneRider]

• And the 7D line is historically on a glacial update timeframe, like 5 years. Don't expect a 7D3 anytime soon unless someone has hard, incontrovertible data that Canon has lost the amateur wildlife segment to the D500 (i.e. good luck with that). I see the 7D3 not arriving for a very long time --

  
  We might have to agree to disagree.
  
  I think the 80D is far too close to the 7Dii for it to stand for another 3 or 4 years. They messed up on the 7Dii, without the touch screen, people like me stayed on the sidelines. The 7Dii needs to be a clear leader over the 80D, and it is not.
  
  I suspect the 7Dii, will get a mild refresh ASAP, obviously 6Dii, DPAF EOS-M, and 5Div taking priority. But getting on die ADC, touch screen, and maybe a slight bump in FPS.
  
  4K video??? Why not, it might need to.
  
  Think about it, if Canon where to pull off, but the end of 2017
  • 80D ....
  • 1DX-ii ....
  • 5D-iv ~28MP, 8'ish FPS (+2 in live mode), 4K, GPS, WIFI, DPAF, touch screen, near 1DXii AF, flicker at under $3500
  • EOS M DPAF with 80D sensor, 4'ish FPS, 4K - 60fps, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, DPAF, flicker detect at under $1200-$1500 with good kit lens
  • 6D-ii ~36MP, 4'ish FPS, 1K-60fps or 4k-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, flicker at under $2200
  • 7D-iii fixed with touchscreen and on chip ADC
  • 5DS-ii ~50MP, 6'ish FPS, 4K-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, touch screen?, flicker
  
  EDIT: removed DPAF from the 5DS-ii
  
  Canon would have a product line with a spot for everyone. Question is, do you put DPAF on the 6Dii, probably. Obviously all models would get the ondie ADC. Actually, it would be pretty awesome.
  

 

[unfocused]

I have the 7D MK II, 5D MK III, and 5DS R. The only real problem I have with the 5D MK III is that it won't allow exposure compensation when using manual exposure and Auto-ISO. It's a great camera for me and has been for three years.

I already sold my 5D3 so I can't check, but somehow I feel I was doing that, can't remember how. If you switch to Av (or Tv), then dial exp-comp to what you want, and then back to M+A-ISO, did the exp-comp setting stay?

Big part of my shots were M+A-ISO, so I think that was there somewhere. Too old to remember properly though.

That's interesting. I just tried this with my 5DIII and my 7DII. On the 5DIII, it automatically goes to the center point on the exposure meter and I don't seem to have any luck moving it off of there to compensate. Only occurs in manual with auto ISO. On the 7DII, if you first set the exposure compensation in AV or TV it will hold to that compensation when you switch to M.

I never noticed this. Seems like a bug to me. I can see why this would be a bit annoying for those who want to use Auto ISO, and manual as I know I regularly expose a touch to the right and it seems like you cannot do that in manual on the 5DIII if using auto ISO.

The workaround to me would be to use TV or AV instead. I know some people are "M" fanatics, but really, you can use TV or AV just like a manual mode by simply adjusting the exposure compensation.

 

[unfocused]

Think about it, if Canon where to pull off, by the end of 2017

• 80D ....
• 1DX-ii ....
• 5D-iv ~28MP, 8'ish FPS (+2 in live mode), 4K, GPS, WIFI, DPAF, touch screen, near 1DXii AF, flicker at under $3500
• EOS M DPAF with 80D sensor, 4'ish FPS, 4K - 60fps, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, DPAF, flicker detect at under $1200-$1500 with good kit lens
• 6D-ii ~36MP, 4'ish FPS, 1K-60fps or 4k-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, touch screen, flicker at under $2200
• 7D-iii fixed with touchscreen and on chip ADC
• 5DS-ii ~50MP, 6'ish FPS, 4K-30fps video, GPS, WIFI, DPAF, touch screen, flicker

Canon would have a product line with a spot for everyone. Question is, do you put DPAF on the 6Dii, probably. Obviously all models would get the ondie ADC. Actually, it would be pretty awesome.

I think the end of 2017 might be a bit optimistic for all of these, but I could see your list being completed in the first quarter of 2018. I wouldn't be surprised to also see an SL2 in there somewhere. I think that's a very underrated camera with a lot of niche marketing potential for those who like the DSLR form factor but want a very compact model.

 

[Loswr]

The problem for Canon is that next to the D500, the 7D2 has a limited value proposition

Yes, I'm sure that's true in dilbertland, where lenses are cameras and the 1D C isn't a dSLR. The rest of us live in a place called reality, you should visit there sometime.

 

[timcz]

One big problem this will have for the scapes shooters like me is that yes there is a 5ds out there, but it won't have this when the 5d4 will...you can see where many are coming from in the fact we have to choose which we'd prefer...

That's true with anything. A comparable newer model of any product is going to have features that the older model doesn't have. When the 5Ds came out, it had features that the 5DIII didn't have. The 80D has some features the 7DII doesn't have and it's a less expensive camera.

The 5Ds II will have features that the 5DIV doesn't have. It's not like a manufacturer can go back in time and add features to an older model that weren't available when it was first introduced. If you want the resolution of the 5Ds and the features of the 5DIV, then wait until the 5Ds II comes out, it will likely not only have most of the features of the 5D IV, but some new ones as well.

Oh I agree and this is obvious - just using this as an example as the 5ds is still a very recent camera in the scheme of things.

And yes, the waiting for a version 2 is possible, but I've waited long enough for something d800ish, so for me, the 5d4 will likely be suffice.

 

[LoneRider]

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There is no freeking way I am going to spend 6K on a 1DX, but will stretch the budget for a FF that can do 8FPS.
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Why not wait for used 1DXs to drop in price from upgraders? Or look for a 1DIV or 1DIII on eBay/craigslist?

Yeah, but I want the ondie ADC for DR/IQ and DPAF/touchscreen for video, and the new AF/flicker are also bonuses. The 5D-iv is looking really promising. The only nit so far is the 7FPS, and I doubt that will be a deal killer. But again, we are getting all hot and bothered over nothing bit rumoUrs.

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Don't expect a 7D3 anytime soon unless someone has hard, incontrovertible data that Canon has lost the amateur wildlife segment to the D500
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Depends, if you are Canon do you want to wait until you've lost market share or do something to prevent that loss from occurring?

99% of Canon owners will keep buying Canon but if you are coming into DSLR photography with a clean slate and want to get into wildlife/bird shooting, do you buy the 7D2 or D500? The problem for Canon is that next to the D500, the 7D2 has a limited value proposition and ability to grow Canon's userbase.

To repeat myself, considering the feature list and quality of the 80D, it leads me to believe the 7D-ii is not going to last on the shelves that long. But, I completely agree with the Scott Adams fan on this one!