Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]

[briansquibb]

Something similar to the 5D MKII with better AF would be more than enough for most just a slight upgrade would make the camera much more useful!

The 1DX 18mp sensor (keeps the MP lower than the 5D MKIII, 7D body and sealing, 7D 19af autofocus system so not to compete with the 5D MKIII and 4.5fps to be useful but not compete with the 5D MKIII think that would be a great start point.

Possibly a touch screen? Similar to the 650D that you can turn on and off to suit both types of people. Must be high res too. Similar video to 5D MKIII.

The 1DX sensor and 51k native ISO (without extensions) plus "7D body and sealing, 7D 19af autofocus system". How about that at 2k USD?

Must have better focusing than the 7D

 

[KyleSTL]

Seems it would be difficult to squeeze a FF sensor and pentaprism into a smaller body anyway.

The 35mm Canon EOS Rebel T2 was:
130 x 90 x 64mm
The 1100D (T3) is:
130 x 100 x 65mm

I see no reason Canon couldn't fit a FF sensor into a 60D body (145 x 106 x 79mm).

Heck, the APS-C 7D:
148 x 111 x 74mm
is larger the the Elan 7N:
147 x 103 x 69mm

 

[XanuFoto]

Does anyone know if the D800 is outselling the 5D MK III. Because I do not find any reports suggesting that.

 

[pakosouthpark]

october only?????????????

come on make it sept!! because im not gonna buy on their first month.. there are always problems with the 1st batch of cameras now..!

 

[c.d.embrey]

Heck, the APS-C 7D:
148 x 111 x 74mm
is larger the the Elan 7N:
147 x 103 x 69mm

For those that don't know, the Canon Elan 7n was a FullFrameFilm camera. And had to fit a 35mm film cassette inside the body at one end and a film take-up reel at the other I own one, great camera

 

[pakosouthpark]

Re: I doubt they would miss Photokina

If Canon has the product ready to announce, it does not make sense that they would skip Photokina with it. The Nikon D600 will be out there; it would make sense for Canon to be able to talk about their lower-priced FF as well --- unless the Nikon D600 will smoke the Canon 6D so completely that Canon wants to avoid putting a spotlight on it.

I think the D600 will be better spec'd, but the 6D (or whatever it will be called) should be a good camera as well. It just doesn't make sense for Canon to take a walk on Photokina as far as this new model is concerned, even allowing for the declining importance of trade shows in the age of the internet.

Two thoughts: maybe the real situation is that the announcement will be at or near Photokina, but the rumor source meant to say that availability will be in October -- that Canon is ready to put this camera in the pipeline quickly. (That should give it a big advantage over the D600 -- good luck getting one before mid-2013!)

or... There is something even bigger to announce that Canon wants to have the full spotlight! A new 70D with new sensor technology, perhaps?

though canon doesn't always put things "in the pipeline" quickly. Look at the new mirror-less M camera. It won't be out until October. This being said I hope the new "6D" DOES come out in October like this rumor stated...

With Canon's recent delivery reliability, we'll be lucky to see it before Christmas if it has an October announcement.

Actually, that's my bet for the October timeline: if Canon announce at Photokina, then people will expect it before Christmas and will get upset if they can't have it and will likely defect to Nikon for the holiday season buying.

By announcing in October (my bet will be on mid to late October), it'll be fresh enough in people's mind that as the holiday buying season starts a few weeks later, people will wait for the 6D rather than give up on Canon and go with the D800.

Thus Canon can't deliver it before the end of the year but if they don't announce something, then people will jump ship in the leadup to Christmas.

forget christmas.. this camera the sooner it comes out canon will gain from that! just needs to be top notch! christmas it will be for when the camera will have a lower price!

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Keith at NL has had predictions of a 6D for a while now. The 6D sounds reasonable, a FF body that sits between 7D and 5D MK III. Canon needs to stop producing the old 21mp sensors and standardize on the new and much improved 22mp sensor which already has been optomized for the DigicV processor.
I'd expect to see fewer bells and whistles, lower top ISO, fewer AF points and simpler AF without the separate Digic IV to run it. For many, it will be a huge step up, and much more affordable.
I even expect a touch screen, given the market these are aimed at. Hybrid AF like the T4i would be nice, but if it requires a different sensor, its not going to happen..

 

[unfocused]

Keith at NL has had predictions of a 6D for a while now. The 6D sounds reasonable, a FF body that sits between 7D and 5D MK III. Canon needs to stop producing the old 21mp sensors and standardize on the new and much improved 22mp sensor which already has been optomized for the DigicV processor.
I'd expect to see fewer bells and whistles, lower top ISO, fewer AF points and simpler AF without the separate Digic IV to run it. For many, it will be a huge step up, and much more affordable.
I even expect a touch screen, given the market these are aimed at. Hybrid AF like the T4i would be nice, but if it requires a different sensor, its not going to happen..

All sounds reasonable. I see the 6D and 70D as essentially the same camera with different size sensors; and the 7DII and 5DIII also similarly spec'd with different size sensors (sorry, no more APS-H). Saves development and possibly production costs, while giving consumers the maximum choice.

Only thing missing is the 5D HD (apprx 46 mp) which would be the same as the 5DIII but with a high-density sensor. Same price point as the 5DIII, and essentially the same camera, except with slower frame rate and lower maximum ISO.

We make the mistake of looking for a one-camera solution to our needs. Canon wants to sell us all at least two bodies.

 

[RC]

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We make the mistake of looking for a one-camera solution to our needs. Canon wants to sell us all at least two bodies.

Now that's hitting the nail on the head. Got my 7D, waiting to see which way to go for FF.

 

[traveller]

One thing is for sure, Canon don't have the wiggle room in marketing terms versus Nikon when it comes to these rumoured 'budget' full frame cameras. They're kind of stuck with using the same 22MP sensor as the 5D MkIII, so there will have to be quite a bit of 'dumbing down' of the rest of the specifications to justify it's position below the 5D MkIII.

What you're going to be looking at is probably the 60D body with a bigger prism (possibly retaining the flash) with the 7D af system. They might try and incorporate a bit more metal in the body shell (like the D7000) to inject a touch of high end feel without going for a full Mg alloy chassis. That's about all they can do without killing 5D MkIII sales; the question is will it be enough to go up against the D600?

 

[Daniel Flather]

I agree; there's so many GOOD cameras out there that, as long as you're trying, you can take great pictures.

Yes, but good pictures had been captured since the beginning of photography.

 

[kennephoto]

I suppose theres lots of new 5d2's for sale in the world still, what will happen to them if canon introduces a sexier cousin for a similar price? Poor 5d2's. I wonder if they would kit a 6d with the 24-105L or not??

 

[Menace]

I suppose theres lots of new 5d2's for sale in the world still, what will happen to them if canon introduces a sexier cousin for a similar price?

Those not needing a fast AF and sme newer bells and whistles will get a bargain on the outgoing 5dII

 

[pakosouthpark]

I suppose theres lots of new 5d2's for sale in the world still, what will happen to them if canon introduces a sexier cousin for a similar price? Poor 5d2's. I wonder if they would kit a 6d with the 24-105L or not??

actually a lot of shops don't have them anymore.. so they probably know..
and yes I guess that would be the kit lens

 

[EvillEmperor]

I really don't see how you could make a full frame "starter" camera. Remove AF adjustments? Instead of releasing a new camera, why not just sell the 5D MK II for cheap?

 

[Marine03]

Does anyone know if the D800 is outselling the 5D MK III. Because I do not find any reports suggesting that.

I did see that on ZITE an ipad magazine that it had an article about Q1 profits for Nikon being either 5% or 5 million lower than what they had hoped for. It didn't have a break down per model but something isn't selling how they had hoped.

 

[Britman]

I really don't see how you could make a full frame "starter" camera. Remove AF adjustments? Instead of releasing a new camera, why not just sell the 5D MK II for cheap?

Have to agree, the tooling are already in place, perhaps just update the AF?

 

[dstppy]

I agree; there's so many GOOD cameras out there that, as long as you're trying, you can take great pictures.

Yes, but good pictures had been captured since the beginning of photography.

Yet basic novices have not. Thanks for taking it out of context

"Yes, but" implies that you disagree with my post . . . so you think a new camera will make new, better pictures emerge, no?

Disclaimer: English is my first language.

 

[jcs16]

So it's going to be d600 vs 6d by christmas, battle of budget full frame gonna be interesting for all of us

 

[preppyak]

I really don't see how you could make a full frame "starter" camera. Remove AF adjustments? Instead of releasing a new camera, why not just sell the 5D MK II for cheap?

Have to agree, the tooling are already in place, perhaps just update the AF?

Thing is, there is a point of diminishing returns there. Canon set up the 5dII to retail at $2700 originally, and then dropped it to $2499 for a while. Now its basically going for $2000 every place, what price would they have to drop it to to compete with a D600? If that price is $1750 or $1500, you have to imagine there is a point where the margins get so thin that they aren't making money. Plus, there's the theory of "newer is better" in the camera world. A 5-yr old design competing with Nikon's newest is not the way to snag new customers.

Plus, if the change the body to more plastic, it can make it cheaper. Likewise, making use of the 5dIII or 1dX sensor condenses that part of production. Right now, they have to actually produce 5dIIs as none of their current line uses any of its features. A frankenstein of current pieces is probably more cost effective.

Basically, they can't sell the 5dII at $2000 for the next 3 years...but a 6D they probably could, even if its only the minor upgrades mentioned