Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]

[mjbehnke]

These comments are ridiculous. It appears everyone wants/expect Canon to produce a camera that is equal to or better than the 5D Mark III but for half the price.

Couldn't care less about the number of autofocus points.
One that works with 100% accuracy, 100% of the time is fine by me.
6fps? Couldn't care less. 2fps and I'm happy.
Video? Huh? Well, whatever.
Weatherproof? If the camera is more weatherproof than I am then there's little point to it. Meaning I'm probably going to "call it a day" before the camera does, so care factor = 0.

All that I care about is the ability of the sensor to capture light and do so with the least amount of noise possible and with the highest accuracy possible. Oh and a top panel LCD

+100 If it focuses accurate and takes photos, I'm good. I don't shoot video, so they could cut that out all together and make a nice functioning photo camera.

 

[kennephoto]

Why not copy the 5d2 but add better AF and if they make it photo camera and drop video then it better be sub 2k dollar camera.

 

[M.ST]

I am not interested in a entry level FF camera.

Want something additional between the 5D Mark III and the 1D X. Perfect for me is a FF in a 5D Mark III body with a few more megapixels (24 or 24), better image quality in the range ISO 50 to ISO 3200, AF like the 1D X and two of the the 5D Mark III processors (8 pictures per second in RAW/JPG and more pictures in continues shooting).

 

[drmikeinpdx]

Anyone who is concerned about autofocus performance should read this article by Roger Cicala:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/08/autofocus-reality-part-3b-canon-cameras

It tells us why the autofocus performance of the 5D III and the 1DX are so superior to previous models. It's not just more cross-type sensors. Briefly, Canon has finally gone to a true closed loop system. Previous autofocus systems are now obsolete for serious work, in my opinion, and it's about time! I am so sick of messing around with inaccurate and unpredictable autofocus. Having to send lenses and bodies in for focus calibration all the time is ridiculous.

Who knows which system the rumored 6D will get? I know I will wait to find out before I make my next FF purchase. I don't need many of the features the 5D III offers, but I must have that autofocus system! LOL

 

[tbisu]

+1. Thanks for the link - very interesting read.

We've had a terrible time getting consistently sharp, focused images with our 7D. Just got it back from the service center today and hoping the issues are resolved.

 

[c.d.embrey]

I did see that on ZITE an ipad magazine that it had an article about Q1 profits for Nikon being either 5% or 5 million lower than what they had hoped for. It didn't have a break down per model but something isn't selling how they had hoped.

Nikon sales are meeting their predictions. The lose comes from the value of the US Dollar and Euro going down vs the Japanese Yen.

 

[drmikeinpdx]

We've had a terrible time getting consistently sharp, focused images with our 7D. Just got it back from the service center today and hoping the issues are resolved.

I feel your pain, tbisu! It took me a year to get my 7D to work with a zoom lens. Not only was the camera way out of calibration, but the lens was too. In fact, the lens had to go in three times to Canon service before they figured out that it had a loose zoom assembly. It was the EFS 15-55 F2.8. A nice lens when it works.

 

[KyleSTL]

I did see that on ZITE an ipad magazine that it had an article about Q1 profits for Nikon being either 5% or 5 million lower than what they had hoped for. It didn't have a break down per model but something isn't selling how they had hoped.

Nikon sales are meeting their predictions. The lose comes from the value of the US Dollar and Euro going down vs the Japanese Yen.

Then how is Canon doing so well (financially), as both companies are based in Japan?

Nikon Q1 financial results: net profit fell by almost 50%
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/08/nikon-q1-financial-results-net-profit-fell-by-almost-50.aspx/

A 50% loss is huge, and I believe cannot be attributed to currency exchange rates alone.

 

[pedro]

Anyone who is concerned about autofocus performance should read this article by Roger Cicala:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/08/autofocus-reality-part-3b-canon-cameras

It tells us why the autofocus performance of the 5D III and the 1DX are so superior to previous models. It's not just more cross-type sensors. Briefly, Canon has finally gone to a true closed loop system. Previous autofocus systems are now obsolete for serious work, in my opinion, and it's about time! I am so sick of messing around with inaccurate and unpredictable autofocus. Having to send lenses and bodies in for focus calibration all the time is ridiculous.

Who knows which system the rumored 6D will get? I know I will wait to find out before I make my next FF purchase. I don't need many of the features the 5D III offers, but I must have that autofocus system! LOL

Would be nice to add 5Diii AF to it. Doubt it, though. So: 5D3 then...

 

[c.d.embrey]

I did see that on ZITE an ipad magazine that it had an article about Q1 profits for Nikon being either 5% or 5 million lower than what they had hoped for. It didn't have a break down per model but something isn't selling how they had hoped.

Nikon sales are meeting their predictions. The lose comes from the value of the US Dollar and Euro going down vs the Japanese Yen.

Then how is Canon doing so well (financially), as both companies are based in Japan?

Nikon Q1 financial results: net profit fell by almost 50%
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/08/nikon-q1-financial-results-net-profit-fell-by-almost-50.aspx/

A 50% loss is huge, and I believe cannot be attributed to currency exchange rates alone.

Please go back and re-read the Nikon Rumors post.
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/08/nikon-q1-financial-results-net-profit-fell-by-almost-50.aspx/

Sales increased 5.6% to 259.43 billion yen

Nikon had a Sales Increase of 5.6%!!!

 

[RGomezPhotos]

"I agree; there's so many GOOD cameras out there that, as long as you're trying, you can take great pictures."

It is true. I so want this rumor to be true today, but I will patiently wait and improve my skills. I will go home this evening and have a tough conversation with my 50D, explain she must carry on for a few more months. Of course the toughest conversation is still to come. When I purchase my next Canon body, my 50 D is going to have to break up with its 24-105 F4L

I just received my new 5D Mark II a few days ago. I have my first DSLR which is also a 50D which I absolutely love. You can get TONS of great work with the 50D. But using Zeiss lenses, I always had to post-sharpen my images. Now with the 5D, nope. They come out perfectly sharp right out of the camera. The image quality is definitely a step above the 50D. ISO performance, even though it's only 1-stop better than the 50D, is better at all levels too.

I think Canon made a HUGE mistake in not making the 5D Mark III not have a user-replaceable view screen. LOTS of people shoot manually with different lenses. The 5D Mark III would've been perfect for me if it wasn't for that. I saw someone using one at a fashion show I was at... It was fairly dark and he wasn't using a flash... ISO performance is freaky-good on that thing! Too bad he had it in 'P' mode... Poser

 

[Menace]

Why not copy the 5d2 but add better AF and if they make it photo camera and drop video then it better be sub 2k dollar camera.

It's unlikely Canon will drop video from any of the dslr bodies - it may appear to be a step backwards to many consumers.

 

[x-vision]

Sorry to break it to you, guys, but the 6D rumor is just wishful thinking .

Canon has both the high and low ends covered with new models: new 1DX, new 5DIII, new Rebel, new EOS-M system.
Together with a discounted 5DII, a discounted 7D, and a discounted 60D, they are all set for the holiday shopping season this year.

The 70D will be the next camera from Canon - likely in Jan/Feb next year.

An entry level FF camera from Canon is at least a year away.
That is, if Canon is even planning such a camera in the first place.

Look at what Nikon has done in preparation for the D600 launch:
They've launched multiple cheap FF primes and a cheap FF normal zoom.

And in Canon-land, it's been one expensive L lens after another ... for the past 9 years.
Except for the 40mm pancake, of course.

So, based on the recent lens releases, guess which company is planning an entry level FF camera ... and which one is not 8).

 

[KyleSTL]

I did see that on ZITE an ipad magazine that it had an article about Q1 profits for Nikon being either 5% or 5 million lower than what they had hoped for. It didn't have a break down per model but something isn't selling how they had hoped.

Nikon sales are meeting their predictions. The lose comes from the value of the US Dollar and Euro going down vs the Japanese Yen.

Then how is Canon doing so well (financially), as both companies are based in Japan?

Nikon Q1 financial results: net profit fell by almost 50%
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/08/nikon-q1-financial-results-net-profit-fell-by-almost-50.aspx/

A 50% loss is huge, and I believe cannot be attributed to currency exchange rates alone.

Please go back and re-read the Nikon Rumors post.
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/08/nikon-q1-financial-results-net-profit-fell-by-almost-50.aspx/

Sales increased 5.6% to 259.43 billion yen

Nikon had a Sales Increase of 5.6%!!!

So you believe that the Yen-USD exchange rate has nearly 60% to account for the the entire loss?
https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=Linear&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1344646982655&chddm=219553&q=CURRENCY:USDJPY&ntsp=0

Looks to me since January 1 the rate has gone from 1 USD = 84 Yen peak to 1 USD = 78 Yen current. That is a change of 7%. There is a great contributing factor other than exchange rate, surely.

 

[briansquibb]

Nikon had a Sales Increase of 5.6%!!!

You are confusing takings vs profit

 

[c.d.embrey]

I did see that on ZITE an ipad magazine that it had an article about Q1 profits for Nikon being either 5% or 5 million lower than what they had hoped for. It didn't have a break down per model but something isn't selling how they had hoped.

Nikon sales are meeting their predictions. The lose comes from the value of the US Dollar and Euro going down vs the Japanese Yen.

Then how is Canon doing so well (financially), as both companies are based in Japan?

Nikon Q1 financial results: net profit fell by almost 50%
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/08/nikon-q1-financial-results-net-profit-fell-by-almost-50.aspx/

A 50% loss is huge, and I believe cannot be attributed to currency exchange rates alone.

Please go back and re-read the Nikon Rumors post.
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/08/nikon-q1-financial-results-net-profit-fell-by-almost-50.aspx/

Sales increased 5.6% to 259.43 billion yen

Nikon had a Sales Increase of 5.6%!!!

So you believe that the Yen-USD exchange rate has nearly 60% to account for the the entire loss?
https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=Linear&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1344646982655&chddm=219553&q=CURRENCY:USDJPY&ntsp=0

Looks to me since January 1 the rate has gone from 1 USD = 84 Yen peak to 1 USD = 78 Yen current. That is a change of 7%. There is a great contributing factor other than exchange rate, surely.

From Thom Hogan's blog By Thom http://bythom.com

On August 8th Thom Hogan wrote: Meanwhile in Japan, Nikon corporate announced their first quarter financial results with absolutely no surprises. Overall profits were a bit lower than originally forecast, attributed to increased sales costs and yen appreciation. In terms of cameras and lenses, they sold what they said they were going to sell and haven't changed their estimates for the full fiscal year, so I'm not going to roll additional commentary on that from what I did at their last financial disclosure.

Thom Hogan is an author and photographer. He also blogs about Nikon cameras http://bythom.com and Mirrorless cameras http://www.sansmirror.com His sites are News & Reviews sites, NOT Rumor sites.

Have a nice day

 

[KyleSTL]

From Thom Hogan's blog By Thom http://bythom.com

On August 8th Thom Hogan wrote: Meanwhile in Japan, Nikon corporate announced their first quarter financial results with absolutely no surprises. Overall profits were a bit lower than originally forecast, attributed to increased sales costs and yen appreciation. In terms of cameras and lenses, they sold what they said they were going to sell and haven't changed their estimates for the full fiscal year, so I'm not going to roll additional commentary on that from what I did at their last financial disclosure.

Thom Hogan is an author and photographer. He also blogs about Nikon cameras http://bythom.com and Mirrorless cameras http://www.sansmirror.com His sites are News & Reviews sites, NOT Rumor sites.

Have a nice day

My apologies, I'm an engineer, not a finance expert. I guess if Nikon's gross margins are fairly small, a few percent change in currency exchange rates could (and did) kill over half their profit. I wonder what Canon's quarterly numbers look like (I haven't seen them, and I'm too lazy to look up if they have been released). Sorry to start a flame war on a topic about which I should be better informed.

 

[preppyak]

It's unlikely Canon will drop video from any of the dslr bodies - it may appear to be a step backwards to many consumers.

It also likely wouldn't drop the price of the camera, especially a true 5dII successor, since it would have a lot fewer buyers. There was a forum poll a while back, 40% of users wouldn't buy a video-less DSLR at all, and 30% would only buy it if it saved them significantly (30%+) off the price. It was a small sample, maybe 100 people, but, if the video features are even half as popular (so 1/3 of users want them), it means a video-less DSLR has to cost Canon a LOT less to make. Or, they have to charge more for it.

So yeah, I can't see video going away pretty much ever...I can just see Canon not doing much to improve it in their non-cine cameras

 

[dlleno]

Sorry to break it to you, guys, but the 6D rumor is just wishful thinking .

Canon has both the high and low ends covered with new models: new 1DX, new 5DIII, new Rebel, new EOS-M system.
Together with a discounted 5DII, a discounted 7D, and a discounted 60D, they are all set for the holiday shopping season this year.

The 70D will be the next camera from Canon - likely in Jan/Feb next year.
...

"set for the high and low ends" -- agreed, except that there is no pro crop body (time will tell if this is deliberate or not). That aside, canon is still quite weak in two areas it seems to me.

1. The 60D may be discounted but it takes only a slighly clever customer to figure out how old it is.

2. In the advanced crop body space there is nothing, save the 7D which is (slightly) older than the discontinued 1D4. The 7D firmware udpate may be an attempt to squeeze one more drop out of this platform but imho all this does is make existing 7D owners happier and does little to make it attractive for holiday shoppers who know how old it is.

I want to know what Canon expects 1DX and 5D3 owners to puchase as a second body. right now there are no attractive options -- for new purchases I mean. If they don't want to loose holiday revenue they will have to either deliver or entice people to wait until after christmas to buy. and it better be something more attractive than a T4i in a 7D body.

It will be interesting to see if and when Canon makes a move in these areas.

 

[Musouka]

It might have been wishful thinking a while ago but ever since the Nikon D600 surfaced in the rumorsphere, it has become more or less a necessity lest Nikon conquered the market.

I personally hope that Canon takes some of the bells and whistles from the latest 650D/T4i and put them in this new body. Things like an articulating touchscreen, continuous AF in video and stereo mic. Put the whole thing in a package similar to the 7D with similar weather sealing and sell it. Granted, this might make the camera superior to the 5DIII in video (if they ended up having the same sensor) but will differentiate the two bodies.

Speaking of the Nikon D600, it is now rumored to include a 51-point AF system instead of the 39-point AF originally rumored. If true, then this makes me wonder if Canon can get away with a 7D AF? Maybe a few modification or a new AF between the 19-point AF and the 63-point AF would do.... perhaps something from the old 1D series (if it fits the smaller packaging, that is).