Canon EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 Coming June 29 [CR2]

[LonelyBoy]

For example: You are a company that has been printing manuals for Canon and you have signed a NDA.... You leak out information and not only do you not get paid, you probably have to pay a penalty and you NEVER get another job from Canon again..... That's great incentive to keep quiet.....

That is certainly logical, as far as it goes. However, that's a great incentive for the CEOs and owners of those companies to keep quiet. There are a lot of eyes and hands on these specs though, across a lot of different companies, and not everyone is going to be invested in their job. Not everyone will think ahead enough to worry about the consequences. Not everyone will think they won't get away with it. It really is hard to keep things secret once enough people know.

 

[rrcphoto]

For example: You are a company that has been printing manuals for Canon and you have signed a NDA.... You leak out information and not only do you not get paid, you probably have to pay a penalty and you NEVER get another job from Canon again..... That's great incentive to keep quiet.....

That is certainly logical, as far as it goes. However, that's a great incentive for the CEOs and owners of those companies to keep quiet. There are a lot of eyes and hands on these specs

probably not, that's potentially a bad assumption. Probably one reason for the long time in between announcement and release. the ONLY ones that would have the full specifications are manuals, brocheres, loadner demo cameras, etc. and with a 2 month window between announcement and release, canon has a boatload of time to get that done. Canon can make a nearly a million cameras a month at their peak. you don't think they can pump them out quickly enough?

nothing for canon to keep everything internal until after announcement then if they need to outsource, and give the relevant information then.

 

[rrcphoto]

Canon would have to prove beyond doubt that is where a leak came from. I deal with companies and NDA's all the time, and you still hear plenty of 'whispers' that you know should not be public knowledge.

(not NDA's for Camera gear I hasten to add hehe)

Why would Canon have to prove anything? They just take the offending party of their 'cc' list. Whether it is worth the bad feeling is for them to judge.

I wouldn't be surprised if canon placed misinformation out into their suppliers and channels and watched where the leaks happened in the past.

over the past 3-4 years canon has really clamped down on leaks.

there's still whispering of new cameras, and theories, however, we don't usually see the full specs until a week before the announcement now.

 

[Don Haines]

For example: You are a company that has been printing manuals for Canon and you have signed a NDA.... You leak out information and not only do you not get paid, you probably have to pay a penalty and you NEVER get another job from Canon again..... That's great incentive to keep quiet.....

That is certainly logical, as far as it goes. However, that's a great incentive for the CEOs and owners of those companies to keep quiet. There are a lot of eyes and hands on these specs though, across a lot of different companies, and not everyone is going to be invested in their job. Not everyone will think ahead enough to worry about the consequences. Not everyone will think they won't get away with it. It really is hard to keep things secret once enough people know.

And the trick is to only let the right people know....

We go back to the manual example.... the printer leaks the specs and they never get another contract from Canon.... the new printing company knows this, and they know the consequences of a leak.... As a result, secrecy increases....

 

[scyrene]

My prediction is: a lot of people will be disappointed by the specs, it will still sell well and many will grudgingly accept it's a good camera after all, a few months down the line. Just like all the others.

 

[nightscape123]

This is exciting, I hope it proves to be true. I've been waiting a long time for this camera. How long before announcement did the 5d iv specs leak out? I feel like it was only 3-4 day before hand.

 

[RandomRazr]

It would be great if this was a 5D Mark III in 6D clothing.

Unlikely. The 5D3 hit a certain point in the evolution of capability that, if given to the 6D2, would damage 5D4 sales.

6D2 will be better than the 5D3 in many ways - but not in ways that will hurt or overlap with the 5D4.

Among which would be -

AF system
Dual Card Slots
Build Quality
Controls
and several other things...

6D2 is going to be a fantastic sensor in a blah body. The main attraction is going to be Canon's first FF with a screen that moves. I can't see any other way it will be equal to or better than the 5D4. Maybe better sensor being newer, although less MP. It won't best it in speed, AF or anything else that matters...I'll be surprised if it even gets the 45pt system. For practical photography, you won't see any difference in sensor like the 6D vs 5D3, but pixel peepers will see an advantage.

If I'm wrong about all of the above, then it will be clear that Canon has departed from their old way of doing things.

yo mate i jsut bought the 5d IV. do you think i would miss anything from the 6D II asside from the possible flippy screen for video? i still got 14 days to decide lol

 

[IglooEater]

This is exciting, I hope it proves to be true. I've been waiting a long time for this camera. How long before announcement did the 5d iv specs leak out? I feel like it was only 3-4 day before hand.

We got a fairly accurate spec list 2 weeks ahead of announcement, and the right megapixel count almost a month ahead.

 

[Neutron_K]

It would be great if this was a 5D Mark III in 6D clothing.

Unlikely. The 5D3 hit a certain point in the evolution of capability that, if given to the 6D2, would damage 5D4 sales.

6D2 will be better than the 5D3 in many ways - but not in ways that will hurt or overlap with the 5D4.

Among which would be -

AF system
Dual Card Slots
Build Quality
Controls
and several other things...

6D2 is going to be a fantastic sensor in a blah body. The main attraction is going to be Canon's first FF with a screen that moves. I can't see any other way it will be equal to or better than the 5D4. Maybe better sensor being newer, although less MP. It won't best it in speed, AF or anything else that matters...I'll be surprised if it even gets the 45pt system. For practical photography, you won't see any difference in sensor like the 6D vs 5D3, but pixel peepers will see an advantage.

If I'm wrong about all of the above, then it will be clear that Canon has departed from their old way of doing things.

I am waiting for 6D2 to be announced. I am going to convert to Canon so this is first post here! ;D

Let's hope not, although IMO you are very likely right.

In that case I would get the bit between your teeth and go for 5d4.

 

[siegsAR]

One may leak the specs. verbatim, but no one would listen as expectations are on the stratosphere. ;D

 

[Etienne]

I'm guessing this will be around US$2500, maybe even a little higher.
Flippy screen, DPAF, full frame ... if it has really good 1080p, I'll probably get it. A usable 4K would be awfully nice to have too.

 

[CanonCams]

I'm guessing this will be around US$2500, maybe even a little higher.
Flippy screen, DPAF, full frame ... if it has really good 1080p, I'll probably get it. A usable 4K would be awfully nice to have too.

That would place the difference in price between the 6D MK II and 5D MK IV to be about $800... not much.

 

[Etienne]

I'm guessing this will be around US$2500, maybe even a little higher.
Flippy screen, DPAF, full frame ... if it has really good 1080p, I'll probably get it. A usable 4K would be awfully nice to have too.

That would place the difference in price between the 6D MK II and 5D MK IV to be about $800... not much.

True, and I don't think the performance difference is going to be huge either. Admittedly, this is a pure blind guess. I think the 5d4 will offer better build quality, and a bit better AF and frame rate, but a lot of the other stuff will be comparable. I'm secretly hoping that they do a better job on 4K video in the 6DII.

 

[RandomRazr]

This is exciting, I hope it proves to be true. I've been waiting a long time for this camera. How long before announcement did the 5d iv specs leak out? I feel like it was only 3-4 day before hand.

how come u wouldnt consider the 5D Iv?

 

[Don Haines]

I'm guessing this will be around US$2500, maybe even a little higher.
Flippy screen, DPAF, full frame ... if it has really good 1080p, I'll probably get it. A usable 4K would be awfully nice to have too.

That would place the difference in price between the 6D MK II and 5D MK IV to be about $800... not much.

True, and I don't think the performance difference is going to be huge either. Admittedly, this is a pure blind guess. I think the 5d4 will offer better build quality, and a bit better AF and frame rate, but a lot of the other stuff will be comparable. I'm secretly hoping that they do a better job on 4K video in the 6DII.

Introductory models compete heavily on price. Since the competition for the introductory FF model is the Nikon D750 at $1500, I expect to see something similar, and certainly under $2000 US......

 

[IglooEater]

I'm guessing this will be around US$2500, maybe even a little higher.
Flippy screen, DPAF, full frame ... if it has really good 1080p, I'll probably get it. A usable 4K would be awfully nice to have too.

That would place the difference in price between the 6D MK II and 5D MK IV to be about $800... not much.

True, and I don't think the performance difference is going to be huge either. Admittedly, this is a pure blind guess. I think the 5d4 will offer better build quality, and a bit better AF and frame rate, but a lot of the other stuff will be comparable. I'm secretly hoping that they do a better job on 4K video in the 6DII.

Introductory models compete heavily on price. Since the competition for the introductory FF model is the Nikon D750 at $1500, I expect to see something similar, and certainly under $2000 US......

Agreed. I'd be disappointed to see it north of 1800 and very disappointed to see it above 2K. I know I'm delusional. The D750 has been calling to me since it was released, at 1500 it's looking like a good deal.
However, we heard a lot a while back of the new 6D moving upmarket, which could theoretically mean their might be a new entry model coming down the pipes.

 

[Etienne]

I'm guessing this will be around US$2500, maybe even a little higher.
Flippy screen, DPAF, full frame ... if it has really good 1080p, I'll probably get it. A usable 4K would be awfully nice to have too.

That would place the difference in price between the 6D MK II and 5D MK IV to be about $800... not much.

True, and I don't think the performance difference is going to be huge either. Admittedly, this is a pure blind guess. I think the 5d4 will offer better build quality, and a bit better AF and frame rate, but a lot of the other stuff will be comparable. I'm secretly hoping that they do a better job on 4K video in the 6DII.

Introductory models compete heavily on price. Since the competition for the introductory FF model is the Nikon D750 at $1500, I expect to see something similar, and certainly under $2000 US......

Agreed. I'd be disappointed to see it north of 1800 and very disappointed to see it above 2K. I know I'm delusional. The D750 has been calling to me since it was released, at 1500 it's looking like a good deal.
However, we heard a lot a while back of the new 6D moving upmarket, which could theoretically mean their might be a new entry model coming down the pipes.

I'd be happy to see the 6D2 come in under US$2000, but not if it means crippling it too much. I'd rather Canon took their cue from the Sony A7s / A7r pricing model, which are almost exactly the same price, but cameras with different purposes.
Also, the 5D4 had a big price jump, and I'm ok with that if the value is there (in the end I kept my 5D3 instead of upgrading to the 5D4).

 

[Mikehit]

I'd be happy to see the 6D2 come in under US$2000, but not if it means crippling it too much. I'd rather Canon took their cue from the Sony A7s / A7r pricing model, which are almost exactly the same price, but cameras with different purposes.

So which camera would you like the 6D2 to be price-matched to?

 

[privatebydesign]

I'm guessing this will be around US$2500, maybe even a little higher.
Flippy screen, DPAF, full frame ... if it has really good 1080p, I'll probably get it. A usable 4K would be awfully nice to have too.

That would place the difference in price between the 6D MK II and 5D MK IV to be about $800... not much.

True, and I don't think the performance difference is going to be huge either. Admittedly, this is a pure blind guess. I think the 5d4 will offer better build quality, and a bit better AF and frame rate, but a lot of the other stuff will be comparable. I'm secretly hoping that they do a better job on 4K video in the 6DII.

Introductory models compete heavily on price. Since the competition for the introductory FF model is the Nikon D750 at $1500, I expect to see something similar, and certainly under $2000 US......

Agreed. I'd be disappointed to see it north of 1800 and very disappointed to see it above 2K. I know I'm delusional. The D750 has been calling to me since it was released, at 1500 it's looking like a good deal.
However, we heard a lot a while back of the new 6D moving upmarket, which could theoretically mean their might be a new entry model coming down the pipes.

Prepare to be disappointed, the D750 introduction price was $2,299 three years ago, there is no way on earth a new 6D is going to be below $2,000 launch price.

 

[Don Haines]

Prepare to be disappointed, the D750 introduction price was $2,299 three years ago, there is no way on earth a new 6D is going to be below $2,000 launch price.

Yes, but the D750 was an odd kind of duck.... It was introduced as an intermediate FF camera at that price and sold very poorly. The D610, Nikon's introductory FF camera also had poor sales. Nikon dropped the price to be the same as the D610, essentially replacing it as the intro FF camera, D750 sales took off, D610 sales became non-existent..... That kind of makes it hard to use it as a pricing example...