Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed

ULFULFSEN said:
MF sensors are not that good because their techology is so much better, they are better because of their size.

so i don´t wonder that a normalized MF sensor does not top the DXO charts.

Oh boy ::)

Reading DRone posts is like listening to a 12yo boy discuss what it must be like to drive a Ferrari.

Did you read the link? Oh wait...that would be an obvious no. Maybe you should?
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
I actually really want to know, what's horribly wrong with the 70D sensor compared to the current APS-C technology?

It's horrible because it's made by Canon. Any DRone will tell you that all Canon sensors are horrible. I know you think comparing actual pictures is a way to learn something about these cameras, sorry to tell you it's not. All that matters is what DxOMark says about the sensor. Actually, that's not quite true. The pictures you take with the lens cap on followed by a five-stop exposure push…those pictures matter.

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If the 7D2 doesn't improve lens cap test shots then I am going to Nikon. That's it!!! ;D
 
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Ebrahim Saadawi said:
ULFULFSEN said:
Keith_Reeder said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Is the 70D that much behind the competition in terms if image quality? Is it really hideous compared to say a D7100, K3, Nex A6000 with much lower dynamic range, ISO performance and resolution?

No, it's really not - the 70D's is an excellent sensor, and one capable of superb image quality across the range.

it has a 68 DXO score while 90% of the other APS-C sensors beat that (even m43 sensors) i hardly call that excellent.

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Canon/EOS-70D

but maybe fanboys ignore that.

Yes I ignore these numbers and judge image quality based on, well, images. What's the best APS-C sensor on the market right now? Sony's 24Mps sensor inside the D7100, D5300, A6000, etc? You, people of the internet, seem to claim it's significantly higher in resolution that it dwarfs the 70Ds resolution, and various stops cleaner at high ISOs, and various stops higher in dynamic range. DxO numbers claim it's 30-40% better than the 70D and this is the source of these claims.

Here look at how the situation is in real life: D7100 vs 70D. This is an objective test and for you to make your own judgment.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-70d/16

Can you see a resolution difference or more information the 70D is failing to capture? I don't. They seem pretty identical to me, perhaps with a negligble edge going to the Nikon as it's 4 more million pixels but a negligible edge to the Canon in resolving aliasing and moire.

Here let's look at high ISO performance compared to the mighty Sony sensor:

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_EOS_70D/RAW_noise.shtml

Do you see a difference in noise performance? I don't. Both look pretty identical to me. At least not various stops ahead of the Canon as they claim.

Here another image quality comparison:

http://www.clubulfoto.com/canon-70d-vs-nikon-d7100-testul-iso/


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Both Canon's 20.2MP sensor and Sony's 24MP produce excellent results. Both are top technology and both are indistinguishable in real-life results. We are talking less than thirds of stops differences here, these cameras produce similar results, period. The rest is up to you as a photographer and many other factors affect the IQ like AF, lenses, shutter, subject, lighting, etc. If you can't produce a good image with either these sensors then something's wrong with your skill. They're in the same ballpark. so even of the 7D mk II has the exact same image quality as the 70D, it's still very relevant and comparable to the competition in terms of image quality, and that's not confirmed as the 7D might have an entirely new sensor with entirely different characteristics.

Here Canon is giving you a camera that has image quality comparable to the best on the APS-C market, with 10 frames per second as the 1D mk4, and 65 point AF system (better than the 1D mk 4), ridiculously tough weather-sealed body, innovative Dual pixel AF, and all the bells and whistles, for less than 2000$. And we complain.

We are complaining about the specifications of the highest specd camera on the market.

I'm not complaining I'm just waiting for it to be in the shops or at least pre-orderable :)
 
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dtaylor said:
ULFULFSEN said:
MF sensors are not that good because their techology is so much better, they are better because of their size.

so i don´t wonder that a normalized MF sensor does not top the DXO charts.

Oh boy ::)

Reading DRone posts is like listening to a 12yo boy discuss what it must be like to drive a Ferrari.

Did you read the link? Oh wait...that would be an obvious no. Maybe you should?

So what, i should use DPP instead or LR and that fixes everything?

Sure that sounds like a great idea.
But having used DPP for years beside LR it never gave me the WOW effect like processing a Sony EXMOR file.

People like the EXMOR sensors because they actually see a difference.
 
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Ebrahim Saadawi said:
It's very strange to me this is not exciting people. This is the highest-speced camera in the market and the highest-end crop body ever made.

If you don't already own a DSLR, particularly a crop-sensor, this is a pretty nice camera. But speaking as a 7D owner, I'm a bit underwhelmed after 5 years. 5 Years is a long time for what is basically a piece of consumer electronics. With most other products, we would expect a pretty big leap in this time (long enough that some products have almost come and gone, e.g. BluRay players). For most purposes, my 7D is fine, particularly when I can de-focus/re-focus a few times to give the AF a few tries to get it right (or use live-view). But as someone who shoots a lot in ISO-challenged circumstances (sports at night, evening weddings with existing light), along with better AF, I was hoping for another stop or more of usable ISO. Without that, they could have brought out this model 2.5 years ago with the 5D3 AF. Now I wonder if I should just buy the 2.5 year-old 5D3 (1DX isn't practical, particularly when you include the cost of the divorce).

I think this slow pace of innovation reflects the capture effect of a lens collection. Once you have a sizable lens collection, it's not really feasible to sell everything and re-buy another brand with it's own set of shortcomings. (I'd be interested in hearing from people who have done this and what the total $ cost was to switch.) So we just take what Canon gives us, letting them make us their bitch :-\.

Granted, for the vast majority of uses and users (most of whom are still shooting in P), the current technology is pretty great and beyond what most people take advantage of. It is only a tiny minority of us that are whining. In fact, if you believe Reichmann over at LuLa (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/cameras/the_mirrorless_revolution.shtml), in 5 years, the masses will have switched to mirrorless, small-sensor cameras, and we will be left behind like MF, paying more and more for glacial innovation. Well, "in the long run, we are all dead." In the meantime, I guess I'll just make some more pictures and focus on the majority of situations where it's not my camera that's holding me back. (Still thinking about that 5D3, though...)
 
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sgs8r said:
But speaking as a 7D owner, I'm a bit underwhelmed after 5 years. 5 Years is a long time for what is basically a piece of consumer electronics. With most other products, we would expect a pretty big leap in this time (long enough that some products have almost come and gone, e.g. BluRay players).

I doubt Moore's law will continue to apply in photography as there's a "good enough" point just like computer power for word processing. Canon have an ace upon their sleeve with the dual pixel af, and adding more computing power will make better in-camera processing available like the 1dx' face recognition. But in terms of phase af and sensor, 5 years isn't that long to expect revolutionary changes anymore in the old-school dslr segment.

bowtiez said:
Hmm, interesting. Let's see how this camera really performs.

On the other hand, let's better start discussing about the famed 5d4 and 7d3 models right after the 7d2 release, there's got to be an excuse why my shots aren't what I'd like them to be :->
 
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sgs8r said:
In fact, if you believe Reichmann over at LuLa, in 5 years, the masses will have switched to mirrorless, small-sensor cameras...

I remember the prediction that with the rise of mirrorless cameras, the dSLR would be dead in 5 years. That was 6 years ago.......
 
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neuroanatomist said:
sgs8r said:
In fact, if you believe Reichmann over at LuLa, in 5 years, the masses will have switched to mirrorless, small-sensor cameras...

I remember the prediction that with the rise of mirrorless cameras, the dSLR would be dead in 5 years. That was 6 years ago.......

maybe they thought canon and nikon would not show such big inertia and jump on the waggon.
 
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Canon Rumors said:
dilbert said:

I've been told $1799 give or take $100 between the USA and Canada. I haven't confirmed that though.

If this price were accurate it would make sense that we are not expecting to see a revolutionary sensor. I look at this rumored retail price as a great indicator of this. If it is going to be $3k I would expect to be blown away. At $1800 it fits this spec list well.
 
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Lee Jay said:
If they can put a GPS antenna on the outside, why not a WiFi antenna? The frequencies aren't far apart.

Wifi most likely works from inside the camera just fine for the ranges that are most likely to be used. An electronic compass for gps position (i.e. compute what the camera was pointed at and what angle was covered) seems to need an outside position, that's probably why the 6d doesn't have it.

neuroanatomist said:
I remember the prediction that with the rise of mirrorless cameras, the dSLR would be dead in 5 years. That was 6 years ago.......

As long as there will be old-school photos with money around who request it, dslrs will be around, too. The question is where the innovations happen, and advanced image processing needs the processor to see the image all the time (i.e. mirrorless). I'm actually really surprised the face detection on the 1dx seem to work with the legacy tech.
 
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Lee Jay said:
Tanispyre said:
x-vision said:
What's with the bulge in front of the hot shoe, btw ??

I am pretty sure it is the GPS antenna

If they can put a GPS antenna on the outside, why not a WiFi antenna? The frequencies aren't far apart.

My guess (and it's nothing more than an educated such) is that GPS is a passive receiver, and it won't need to draw much juice from the battery. Any built-in WiFi would need to have electronics for both receiving and sending data, and it would suck out the available juice much quicker.
 
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DominoDude said:
Lee Jay said:
Tanispyre said:
x-vision said:
What's with the bulge in front of the hot shoe, btw ??

I am pretty sure it is the GPS antenna

If they can put a GPS antenna on the outside, why not a WiFi antenna? The frequencies aren't far apart.

My guess (and it's nothing more than an educated such) is that GPS is a passive receiver, and it won't need to draw much juice from the battery. Any built-in WiFi would need to have electronics for both receiving and sending data, and it would suck out the available juice much quicker.

the 6D has wifi and gps.
make it a press of a button to disable wifi.

if you need it you will live with the power consumption, if you don´t disable it and it will not hurt.
 
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