Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]

[unfocused]

APSH 7DII sounds good to me

Snowcones and popsicles in hell sound good, too, and just about as likely...

Careful. That kind of candor can get you deleted around here.

Entertaining, but not gonna happen. Congrats to CR guy though. Great way to boost readership and stir up interest during the summer, while we wait for the real announcements.

probably too early but ....

how do you like your egg?

Whites only, infused with silver halide crystals and dried onto a glass plate please. Hold the Vegemite.

 

[wickidwombat]

APSH 7DII sounds good to me

Snowcones and popsicles in hell sound good, too, and just about as likely...

Careful. That kind of candor can get you deleted around here.

Entertaining, but not gonna happen. Congrats to CR guy though. Great way to boost readership and stir up interest during the summer, while we wait for the real announcements.

probably too early but ....

how do you like your egg?

Whites only, infused with silver halide crystals and dried onto a glass plate please. Hold the Vegemite.

yeah i'm not a fan of vegemite either it looks and smells like axle grease...

 

[RLPhoto]

APSH 7DII sounds good to me

Snowcones and popsicles in hell sound good, too, and just about as likely...

There's going to be alot of crow eating if the 7D is APS-H.

 

[gmrza]

yeah i'm not a fan of vegemite either it looks and smells like axle grease...

You don't drive on the Westgate freeway enough.

 

[gmrza]

APSH 7DII sounds good to me

Snowcones and popsicles in hell sound good, too, and just about as likely...

There's going to be alot of crow eating if the 7D is APS-H.

I just have a nagging feeling that with firmware v2 coming for the 7D that a successor to the 7D is a while away. Canon wants to try to give the 7D legs for a while longer is what the new firmware release looks like to me.

 

[jueming23]

no matter aps-c or aps-h,i just wanna know when could i get a NEW camera.september?don't be later,please

 

[dlleno]

well, its still only CR1 and seems to have appeared again only because its a rumor that won't go away... But I still like the concept of 7DX, leaving 70D to rule the 1.6x world. whether or not Canon likes it is quite another matter!

Alas, the 7D firmware update signals to me that it may still be a year before we see it

 

[maxxevv]

I know I am showing my ignorance, but I'll ask anyway. APS-H (1.3) - Would it support EF-S? I would assume not! I only own one (10-22mm).

It can work from about 14~15mm onwards supposedly. (Someone tried with a 1DMkIII some time ago, maybe you can try a search on it ..)

But if such a camera does come about, i would be in Canon's best interest to have a crop-compatibility mode that toggles between 1.6x and 1.3x crop. This would be a great way to make everyone happy ... and ensure that it becomes a great selling camera ! ;D

 

[wickidwombat]

I know I am showing my ignorance, but I'll ask anyway. APS-H (1.3) - Would it support EF-S? I would assume not! I only own one (10-22mm).

It can work from about 14~15mm onwards supposedly. (Someone tried with a 1DMkIII some time ago, maybe you can try a search on it ..)

But if such a camera does come about, i would be in Canon's best interest to have a crop-compatibility mode that toggles between 1.6x and 1.3x crop. This would be a great way to make everyone happy ... and ensure that it becomes a great selling camera ! ;D

and increase FPS in crop mode would be a real winner say 8FPS in APS-H and 10 FPS in APS-C mode

 

[Lee Jay]

APS-H would be fine under some conditions:

The mount supports EF-s lenses (it's possible a less-than-full-frame mirror could fit here).
The software supports shooting in 1.6-crop mode for both EF-s lenses and EF lenses.
The pixel density is the same or higher than the 70D (the 70D can't have a reach advantage).
The viewfinder has some markings or overlay or something for 1.6-crop.
The camera remains under $2k.

By the way: (1.6/1.25)^2 * 22MP = 36MP.

 

[jpk]

Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1] APS-H

APS-H is a dead end to me. Only FF or APS-C are valid formats as far as I'm concerned. Why would I upgrade from my 7D to an APS-H body when the FF bodies, used, are a very viable upgrade path. There are many for sale with low mileage and a very nice price. APS-H is a tween format that will suffer from those that want to go FF, can't afford new but maybe can buy used. I think Canon should reserve the APS-C format for all their consumer grade bodies with perhaps a semi pro body at the high end of the line while having a low end prosumer FF body at the base of their pro line. Just my thoughts.

 

[unfocused]

The level of crazy here may be reaching an all-time high.

Let's take it a step further. Instead of a some stripped-down crappy full-frame "entry level" camera, why not an APS-H entry-level camera instead? Sensor would be cheaper than full frame so Canon could undercut Nikon. Could be about the size of the 60D with similar build quality. Less processing power needed than full frame. Better frame rate, etc.

And, since we're going crazy here: designed to use APS-C lenses. (Why should physics get in our way?)

Now, even I could be interested in a body that turns my 15-85 EFS lens into a 20-110mm equivalent. Of course, I would still want a 7DII, but I'd consider something that makes my lenses wider at the short end worth considering. Since I've already got the Tokina 11-16, it would be sweet to use it as a 14 mm with no vignetting.

Maybe it's really full frame that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.

 

[wickidwombat]

I'm genuinely interested to find out how many APS-H critics actually owned or have regularly used a 1D body that has the sensor :

ultra wide angle problem?
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=997698

13*1.3 = 16.9

takes 77mm filters and works on current existing APS-H bodies

by all accounts its a pretty kick arse lens too

 

[jpk]

APS-H. Why? I really see no point in it anymore. It served a purpose when FF was wildly expensive and APS-C wasn't up to the IQ. It had an added advantage of faster frame rates and a higher useable ISO, great for low light level sports shooting. Now, with improvements in IQ in other sensor formats, the reason no longer exists for the format to hang around. It really is a no mans land for formats.

 

[bdunbar79]

I'd say if you do like it, get a used 1D Mark IV, either on amazon or ebay, because I'm thinking a lot of people will sell when their 1D X's arrive.

 

[briansquibb]

APS-H. Why? I really see no point in it anymore. It served a purpose when FF was wildly expensive and APS-C wasn't up to the IQ. It had an added advantage of faster frame rates and a higher useable ISO, great for low light level sports shooting. Now, with improvements in IQ in other sensor formats, the reason no longer exists for the format to hang around. It really is a no mans land for formats.

From Canon's point of view it could mean that their lens R&D only has to worry about EF lens if APS-C development is not at the high end - and we get more high quality, budget lens like the shorty forty instead

 

[maxxevv]

APS-H. Why? I really see no point in it anymore. It served a purpose when FF was wildly expensive and APS-C wasn't up to the IQ. It had an added advantage of faster frame rates and a higher useable ISO, great for low light level sports shooting. Now, with improvements in IQ in other sensor formats, the reason no longer exists for the format to hang around. It really is a no mans land for formats.

From Canon's point of view it could mean that their lens R&D only has to worry about EF lens if APS-C development is not at the high end - and we get more high quality, budget lens like the shorty forty instead

Just to add, it would serve as a bridge between EF and EF-S lenses and as Brian suggests, allow them to concentrate their efforts on EF lenses without alienating existing EF-S lens owners. A high quality camera that allows the full utilization of both formats ( that is provided it has EF-S crop compatibility mode).

It would also be attractive to EF glass owners who want a higher-speed camera without paying mortgage for one. Something that has say ~8-9fps, minimum current 7D typish AF module (the 1dMkIV AF would be really awesome though..) ... Under US$2500/-. And in a 7D or 5DMkII body format.

It would be a really attractive camera to a lot of people. And as Canon has always like to do, explore hidden niches of the market with a high potential which no competitor can touch for sometime.

But as with almost all ideas here, nobody knows for sure what are Canon's considerations in the overall scheme of things. ???

 

[Stone]

APS-H. Why? I really see no point in it anymore. It served a purpose when FF was wildly expensive and APS-C wasn't up to the IQ. It had an added advantage of faster frame rates and a higher useable ISO, great for low light level sports shooting. Now, with improvements in IQ in other sensor formats, the reason no longer exists for the format to hang around. It really is a no mans land for formats.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. From my experience, APS-H IQ is far better than APS-C the latitude available in the raw files was night and day when I shot both the 1DIV and 7D. APS-C is getting better every generation, but APS-H is still the closest you can get to FF IQ without going FF. If you can live without the extra reach and aren't strictly posting your shots to the web, the older tech of APS-H still beats APS-C and comes very close to FF IQ. IMO, Canon would be crazy to shelve such good tech, but stranger things have happened in the past....

 

[nicku]

loool

I said before looong before his rumor..... a APS-H 7D2 will be something unique on the market without any direct rival from the competition ( Nikon, Sony, Pentax). The perfect combination between High ISO/extra reach.

A perfect backup body for professionals wildlife and sports photographers (1DX users) , and a perfect tool for semipro wildlife/sports photographers.

The downside of this move will be no entry level FF camera from Canon.

 

[nicku]

What kills APS-H for me is that there are no wide angle lenses for it that aren't curved surface front elements. (Wide angle would require either the 8-15 fish eye or something like the rumored 14-24.)

The 16-35 becomes a 21-45 (for example).

For APS-C, there are lenses like the 10-20.

The APS-H sensor/cameras are designed especially for wildlife/sports. A very small number of wildlife/sports photographers want/need a ultra wide lens on APS-H.

Who knows maybe we will see a ultra wide EF affordable lens with the 7D2 announcement.

To be honest how many of us will need a wider lens than 16-35/17-40 on a sports/wildlife designed camera???

If the rumor is true 7D2 will be a market killer and no need for a entry lvl FF body.