Canon EOS 80D Announced

[mb66energy]

I am 99.999% shure there is no *** in the 80D because:

GP-E2 is listed as additional device for the 80D (german tech specs, no other mention of ***)

GP-E2 is listed as additional device for the USB port of the 80D and *** data is mentioned as part of
the (potentially) displayed info on the LCD (in conjunction with the GP-E2).
Perhaps the statement "*** information" under the section "Tilt Display" has mislead the people on dpreview ?!

Link to the spec sheet of Canon's US web page (PDF):
https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/80d/specifications/canon-eos-80d-specification-chart.pdf

After having used 20D and 40D from the xxD series the 80D might be a good reason to upgrade - the only thing I would
miss is some focusing aid but perhaps the Magic Lantern will bring light into that part of useful features ...

On the other hand I am very pleased with the IQ of just the classic 5D, so maybe I will wait for a camera which brings IQ to another level by combining FF qualities and 80D tool-oriented features (DPAF, wide AF spot distribution, hopefully less sensor noise).

So is there, or is there not *** in the 80D?

DPReview says "yes" in their "hands-on review" here.

But I see no mention of *** in the feature list on Canon's site here.

Got all excited at the bonus of *** while reading DPReview's info, but now it's looking like there's no ***.

Anyone have a definitive answer on this?

Dude, despite your estimations, you have the answer on your hand: There will be no *** as Canon doesn't mention it as a feature on their list. It is more probable, that a 3rd party site has made a mistake in their review instead of the official manufacturer missing to mention a main feature on their official feature-list.

Yeah, I get the probability here, but it has me scratching my head. DPReview had hands-on and wrote that *** was there. Did they have a pre-production model that did have ***, but it was scrapped in the official release? What prompted them to take the time to write that it had *** in the first place? Could it be that it will have *** in some regions and not others (like the WiFi and non-WiFi versions of the 70D)? Probably a desperate stretch, but I'd like (and might not get) an explanation for the discrepancy. That's a fairly significant gaffe for DPReview...

 

[Tugela]

I am a little bit confused

Great added pro features like 100% VF, advanced Autofocus system with 27 points with F8 support yet there is no dual SD card slots.

Improved video functions like new DPAF, nice move with new Nano USM concept & power zoom, headphone jack but still no 4K.

Still nice specs camera.

Those features are almost 100% guaranteed on the 5D Mark IV, so it's obvious Canon is aiming for professional users to all go for the 5D Mark IV instead of the 80D. Makes sense--this is definitely a "youtube" camera. There's nothing wrong with that market, but those users won't need 4K or back up cards.

YouTube videographers won't be using this camera. They are far more likely to be using one of Sony or Panasonic's cameras.

 

[RickWagoner]

Since when is the 55-250 compatible with 1.4 tele converter?

there are teleconverters out that work with ef-s

 

[AlanF]

Thanks for the clarification.

yah, was going to include a pic I made but forgot

real life is 100% coverage and 1.00x magnification

basically that is what you want, when you look through the viewfinder you look through it like you see real life, like a rangefinder kinda

full frame jealousy starts here for me lol, because of the big mirror and large pentaprism, full frame DSLR tend to have very large magnification approaching 1.00x

a smaller magnification has a rather small and weird advantage some will argue though, some say they can see the whole scene faster if it's smaller, and you don't need to press your head against the viewfinder to see the whole image, because there are black bars

with many APS-C you can kinda float your head a few millimeter from the viewfinder and still see the image edge to edge, you can't really do this with most full frame, but you actually see a larger image when you do press your head against a full frame viewfinder

The magnification of FF is invariably smaller, not larger, than that of APS-C. The 5DIII has, for example 0.76, whereas the 7DII 1.0. This means in practice that using a 50mm lens and object looks 76% life size on a 5DIII and lifesize on a 7DII. With a 400mm lens, the 5DIII is like a 6x 'scope whereas the 7DII combo is 8x. This isn't just my calculations, I've checked it out.

 

[azizjhn]

I am a little bit confused

Great added pro features like 100% VF, advanced Autofocus system with 27 points with F8 support yet there is no dual SD card slots.

Improved video functions like new DPAF, nice move with new Nano USM concept & power zoom, headphone jack but still no 4K.

Still nice specs camera.

Those features are almost 100% guaranteed on the 5D Mark IV, so it's obvious Canon is aiming for professional users to all go for the 5D Mark IV instead of the 80D. Makes sense--this is definitely a "youtube" camera. There's nothing wrong with that market, but those users won't need 4K or back up cards.

YouTube videographers won't be using this camera. They are far more likely to be using one of Sony or Panasonic's cameras.

+1 That will be the case

 

[H. Jones]

I know several people who shoot for social media of companies or have profitable YouTube followings and they all are using either 5D Mark IIIs or 70Ds. Perhaps that's just due to a small sample size, but I doubt there's only a small part of that market that go with Canon.

 

[frankchn]

The magnification of FF is invariably smaller, not larger, than that of APS-C. The 5DIII has, for example 0.76, whereas the 7DII 1.0. This means in practice that using a 50mm lens and object looks 76% life size on a 5DIII and lifesize on a 7DII. With a 400mm lens, the 5DIII is like a 6x 'scope whereas the 7DII combo is 8x. This isn't just my calculations, I've checked it out.

Yes, that's right because everyone uses a 50mm lens to calculate OVF magnification regardless of format, so if the sensor is smaller, you can magnify things more without making a huge prism.

That said, in practice, the perceived visible area of 1DX VF is substantially larger than a 7D2 viewfinder (20% longer and wider or almost 50% more area).

As an aside, I believe the 5D3 and 5Ds have 0.72x VFs and only the 1 series cameras have 0.76x VFs.

 

[AlanF]

The magnification of FF is invariably smaller, not larger, than that of APS-C. The 5DIII has, for example 0.76, whereas the 7DII 1.0. This means in practice that using a 50mm lens and object looks 76% life size on a 5DIII and lifesize on a 7DII. With a 400mm lens, the 5DIII is like a 6x 'scope whereas the 7DII combo is 8x. This isn't just my calculations, I've checked it out.

Yes, that's right because everyone uses a 50mm lens to calculate OVF magnification regardless of format, so if the sensor is smaller, you can magnify things more without making a huge prism.

That said, in practice, the perceived visible area of 1DX VF is substantially larger than a 7D2 viewfinder (20% longer and wider or almost 50% more area).

As an aside, I believe the 5D3 and 5Ds have 0.72x VFs and only the 1 series cameras have 0.76x VFs.

Yes, it is 0.72 for the 5DIII and 0.76 for the 1DXs.

 

[AlanF]

The 2 big questions for me now are: has Canon ditched the AA filter; does the 80D have centre spot focussing (smaller centre spot with a dot in the square)? If yes, I'll rush out and buy the 80D. If no to the first, I won't. If yes to the first, no to the second, then maybe. Losing the AA filter will give a boost to sharpness. Centre spot focussing gives that extra selectivity.

Dpreviews is raving about the 80D.

 

[Nininini]

Thanks for the clarification.

yah, was going to include a pic I made but forgot

real life is 100% coverage and 1.00x magnification

basically that is what you want, when you look through the viewfinder you look through it like you see real life, like a rangefinder kinda

full frame jealousy starts here for me lol, because of the big mirror and large pentaprism, full frame DSLR tend to have very large magnification approaching 1.00x

a smaller magnification has a rather small and weird advantage some will argue though, some say they can see the whole scene faster if it's smaller, and you don't need to press your head against the viewfinder to see the whole image, because there are black bars

with many APS-C you can kinda float your head a few millimeter from the viewfinder and still see the image edge to edge, you can't really do this with most full frame, but you actually see a larger image when you do press your head against a full frame viewfinder

The magnification of FF is invariably smaller, not larger, than that of APS-C. The 5DIII has, for example 0.76, whereas the 7DII 1.0.

you're being fooled by marketing

1.0 is a marketing number, it's 1.0 of the crop

you need to use equivalence numbers to find out the actual size you see

the real magnification is only 0.63x for the 7D Mark II, much smaller than the 0.71x of the 5D

it's a 30% smaller size in reality

Put an APS-C next to a full frame and look through both viewfinders, tell me which is large, full frame always is.

 

[Tugela]

I know several people who shoot for social media of companies or have profitable YouTube followings and they all are using either 5D Mark IIIs or 70Ds. Perhaps that's just due to a small sample size, but I doubt there's only a small part of that market that go with Canon.

Those folk have had those cameras for years that is why. They bought them when there were not too many other options, but now there are a great many, and great many superior ones as well. People don't replace their cameras every year. But those in the market for a new camera to do their content are probably not going to have a Canon DSLR as their first choice.

New Youtubers will be following the video boards for guidance, and now days Canon DSLRs are first choice with very few there.

 

[jasny]

The 2 big questions for me now are: has Canon ditched the AA filter; does the 80D have centre spot focussing (smaller centre spot with a dot in the square)? If yes, I'll rush out and buy the 80D. If no to the first, I won't. If yes to the first, no to the second, then maybe. Losing the AA filter will give a boost to sharpness. Centre spot focussing gives that extra selectivity.

2 x NO.

But I don't think it's a big deal. Sharpness boost will be moderate. And spot focusing is good to have but for the price of lower accuracy.

 

[douglaurent]

Pretty interesting camera if it would have more than the year 2008-style 2 megapixel video. Even my 2014 phone has 4k video, so I pass until Canon finally has enough pressure to implement 8 megapixel video anywhere.

 

[Nininini]

This means in practice that using a 50mm lens and object looks 76% life size on a 5DIII and lifesize on a 7DII.

Not at all, you're getting fooled by marketing again. Viewfinders on full frame are in reality much larger than APS-C. You're not using equivalence.

I have a 35mm film camera from the 60s, its viewfinder is much larger than any APS-C DSLR, including the 7DII. Full frame have always had larger viewfinders.

Old film cameras with good pentaprisms make viewfinders on rebels look like garbage. Viewfinders is one of those things that actually worsened over time.

The larger slap mirror on a full frame simply projects a larger image and full frame therefore have a larger viewfinder box.

This is the only thing I truly actually envy about full frame, their viewfinder box is much larger than APS-C. (the ISO and DOF difference is irrelevant to me). There's nothing that can easily be done about it.

 

[canuckerfan]

I heard this has AF microadjustment.... any confirmation?

 

[Sporgon]

It's going to be a lot of camera for the money when the prices come down to their usual discounted levels. It really does make me wonder what will be needed to keep the FF bandwagon rolling at current prices, at least within the vast hobbyist market.

 

[Nininini]

It really does make me wonder what will be needed to keep the FF bandwagon rolling at current prices, at least within the vast hobbyist market.

Full frame hasn't been for regular hobbyists in a long long time.

The 6D is from 2012, and I have strong doubts this line will ever get updated by Canon.

Full frame does still attract an older non-pro crowd with a lot of disposable income, they buy pro cameras without being professionals.

But cameras like the 1DX and 5D are purely targeting professionals at this point. Just because some hobbyists buy them doesn't mean they're the audience for them, they're not, the audience are sports photographers and reporters who make up the lion's share of the sales.

 

[Alex_M]

Canon 6D is an upgrade path from a 1000 dollar camera to an entry level FF one. It was much easier for me to justify the smaller price difference when I moved over to FF camp. It also makes perfect sense for Canon to offer the entry level FF camera as the upgrade from APS-C camera to FF camera involves, likely, the new set of lenses as well.
I hear SONY has entered FF market in recent years and targeting hobbyists? there are quite a lot of folks out there who cannot afford spending $3000+ on a FF camera but will be OK with spending $1500 on it.

Personally, I believe that the 6D was a smart move by Canon and I look forward to the MK II of this excellent camera.

It really does make me wonder what will be needed to keep the FF bandwagon rolling at current prices, at least within the vast hobbyist market.

Full frame hasn't been for regular hobbyists in a long long time.

The 6D is from 2012, and I have strong doubts this line will ever get updated by Canon.

Full frame does still attract an older non-pro crowd with a lot of disposable income, they buy pro cameras without being professionals.

But cameras like the 1DX and 5D are purely targeting professionals at this point. Just because some hobbyists buy them doesn't mean they're the audience for them, they're not, the audience are sports photographers and reporters who make up the lion's share of the sales.

 

[racebit]

I am on it, to upgrade from my 7D.
Only thing I will be missing are the 3 C Modes. Well at least it has 2 C modes. One C mode only like the 70D would put me out.
The 24.2 MP have a pixel resolution of a 62 MP FF. With smaller pixels, I am hoping the 80D will have a AA filter less strong than he 7D, resulting in higher resolution with the 400/5.6.

 

[AlanF]

This means in practice that using a 50mm lens and object looks 76% life size on a 5DIII and lifesize on a 7DII.

Not at all, you're getting fooled by marketing again. Viewfinders on full frame are in reality much larger than APS-C. You're not using equivalence.

I have a 35mm film camera from the 60s, its viewfinder is much larger than any APS-C DSLR, including the 7DII. Full frame have always had larger viewfinders.

Old film cameras with good pentaprisms make viewfinders on rebels look like garbage. Viewfinders is one of those things that actually worsened over time.

The larger slap mirror on a full frame simply projects a larger image and full frame therefore have a larger viewfinder box.

This is the only thing I truly actually envy about full frame, their viewfinder box is much larger than APS-C. (the ISO and DOF difference is irrelevant to me). There's nothing that can easily be done about it.

I regularly use both the 7DII and 5DIII with the same telephoto lenses as spotting scopes, and the 7DII gives a larger image. I checked this out with a 50mm lens on both a 7DII and 5DIII by having the viewfinder to one eye and the other open looking at the same object, superposed, in answering dilbert in an earlier post. I have done the same trick with 400mm telephoto lenses by counting divisions on depth markers through the viewfinder and with the open eye.