Canon EOS 80D, PowerShot G7 X II, SX720 HS & EF-S 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Coming Shortly

[noncho]

As G7X user the second version specs does not look like a great upgrade. Maybe if those 8fps are coming with much faster AF, but I don't expect that from Canon
That new 18-135 seems odd too(we have good 18-136 STM and very good 15-85 USM). Why they don't make EF-M walkaround zoom first...

 

[whothafunk]

The shortest period (so far) between professional level DSLRs being released by Canon is 15 months (the 1D Mark II N). The 1D Mark II lasted 7 quarters and then there was the 1D Mark IV that about 2 years. Even Canon's first full frame camera (1Ds) lasted less than 2 years - and that was a $8000 camera.

Visit http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/rumours.html and scroll down to the Canon DSLR Timeline to learn some history.

Sure. But by the looks of it, that's an old habit. Look at the gap with 7D to 7D2, 5D2 to 5D3 to 5D4, 1DX to 1DX2, 6D to 6D2, 60D to 70D, etc.

 

[9VIII]

I wouldn't be surprised if Canon takes the 7D2 and just adds 4K. Not a "7DMkIII", but more of a 7DC.
And speaking of Jello, if they would make a 12 Megapixel APS-C sensor specifically designed to read clean 4K footage they would probably get a lot of use out of it. I'm betting a lot of Rebel users wouldn't mind giving up a few Megapixels for good native 4K recording.
"IF" they can actually manage a good clean high speed 4K signal.

 

[whothafunk]

Don't think of it as being a "habit" but rather Canon responding to market conditions.

Since 2012, DSLR sales have plummeted. Thus fewer releases.

So even 1 more reason to the already numerous ones why 7D3 in 2016/2017 is an idiotic estimation.

 

[RickWagoner]

Canon don't mess around with Nikon for the king Crop. The people in both companies do know each other and info is shared when and what is going out at lower levels, this is common in every industry people know each other from competing companies. I was at a Dinner with people at four separate and highly competitive Inner earphone companies, you would not believe the talk and jokes at that table about future products. Canon had a great guess that Nikon was coming out with the D400whatever before the 7d2 was out, They also had great idea about the fps,focus,and mp count of what Nikon was working on. Canon was ready with the 7d2 and released it but Nikon pulled their king crop back and took the "7d2 is a baby 1dx" line to heart to redo their body into what we know as the D500. This is why the D500 is being marketed as a baby or smaller D5. Pulling products back even at the last second before release is also not uncommon for companies. Canon has time to work out the quality and reliability and tester opinions now, who knows when Nikon will really start shipping the D500 as Nikon keeps stalling the release date and even when it does come out will it have dust issues and other problems at the release? Meanwhile the 7D2 at launch was a huge seller but the sales dropped off fast which is probably why we have seen 7d2 bodies already on sale at $1k. The reason why i think the 7d2 sales dropped is because the price and performance difference from the 70D hurt it in customers eyes, like the 5d3 hurt the 1dx in sales at first. Canons road map for crop bodies is also moving up line. The SL2 is going to be a baby 70D, the t6s is too close to the 70D now so the 80D needs to be released. The 80D and the SL2 need to come out before the king 7d3 so they don't hurt the sales of the higher end 7d3. Given the amount of time it would take Canon to release the two lower bodies and given the amount of time Nikon may get their shit together with the D500 we are looking 2017 for the 7d3 release. The pre release 80D is either on its way or already at big camera stores now.

I am not sure the mp on the 80D, but i have heard the 7d3 testers have 24.2 so that is why i say that number in the 80D. Canon takes the Testers opinions seriously and will change their final product based on it, but Canon also will use the testers real life use as a reliability of a certain function also. For example on how the accuracy in the focus with different lenses in real life and will make fine tuned adjustments from there. This is why Canons don't have many issues on release and if they have a bug (like the 7d2 eating battery life) is something the testers could not have known.

To me the big question is what is this power ring adapter that is being talked about. I have heard guesses from people all over, from an ef-s 1.4 teleconverter (which will work with the 80D f8 focus and 5.6 ef-s lenses) to a wireless charging battery grip. I have no clue what it is though and not even a remote guess.

 

[whothafunk]

Good point. However, what you are saying is that Canon will refresh COMPLETE DSLR lineup in 1 year time. Not gonna happen?

2016:
- 1DX2
- 5D4
- 6D2 (?)
- 80D
- SL2

2017:
- 6D2 (?)
- 7D3
- 850D/860D

Besides, 7D2 is a decent camera and really only pulls short on backlit buttons (surprised Canon didnt add this to 1DX2), buffer, ISO and 4k (but has better video AF) - not something so dramatic Canon would be forced to make a successor almost right after the 7D2. The latter is still a worthy sports camera, has same FPS, pretty spectacular AF and nice build. I would really only wish for a better ISO in 3000-8000 range (atleast that of a D7200), nothing else. Am really eager to see D500's ISO comparison and I'm pretty sure it will blow the 7D2 out of the water in that regard, not just because it's 16 months newer.

 

[bsbeamer]

Talk of an 80D with 4K? While I'd LOVE to see this, I just do not think it's likely given Canon's recent history of promoting "Full HD" camera specs, and even some with 720P max. An 80D with 4K could be a killer camera for my needs and would keep me in the Canon "family" and probably stall from buying an A6300 and A7sII/A7rII shortly after.

 

[RickWagoner]

Good point. However, what you are saying is that Canon will refresh COMPLETE DSLR lineup in 1 year time. Not gonna happen?

2016:
- 1DX2
- 5D4
- 6D2 (?)
- 80D
- SL2

2017:
- 6D2 (?)
- 7D3
- 850D/860D

Besides, 7D2 is a decent camera and really only pulls short on backlit buttons (surprised Canon didnt add this to 1DX2), buffer, ISO and 4k (but has better video AF). 7D2 is still a worthy sports camera, has same FPS, pretty spectacular AF and nice build. I would really only wish for a better ISO in 3000-8000 range (something that of a D7200), nothing else. Am really eager to see D500's ISO comparison.

I don't know what they're doing with the full frame bodies at all. The 7d2 was announced Sept 2014, early 2017 7d3 release is on track anyway. They are not going to wait 5 years again like they did for the 7d2, reason why the wait was so long before was Nikon was not playing with them that much for king crop. I have said before here Canon put too much work and money into the build of the 7d2 at the cost of features that could make it more competitive long term. Good thing is for the 7d3 that the build won't be much to work on from the 7d2 so they can use the work and research money into more features this time around. 7d2 is a great camera for sure either way. There are more customers willing to dish out money for lower end bodies though esp with features, this is why the 7d2 sales took a dive after the release pack yet the older 70D is still moving hard in sales. Plus the 70D is in places like bestbuy and in front of more faces with money than the king crop. The entry level to hobbyist shooters are the bread and butter for Canon, hence why there are so many lower end crop bodies. There are more customers and higher profit margins in the lower stuff. The good news for 7d level buyers is the lower end people pay for better performing features that come into the higher cameras, like the 20mp dpaf sensor. Canon has to release the 80D and then the sl2 before the 7d3, this way the two lower bodies pay forward features for the 7d3 and don't hurt 7d3 sales like the 5d hurt the 1d years back. Again i have no clue about video in either 80D or 7d3, could be 1080p60 in the 80D and 4k in 7d3 i think. There is a lot of stuff like card speeds and processor power that is required for 4k and i don't see why Canon will do all of that in the 80D. Esp if the 7d3 already has most of that because of the higher fps and and 1dx2 focusing system. Plus if Canon did do 4k in the 7d3 in 2017 then it would have a longer shelf life and not be hurt by 80D sales like the 7d2 is by the 70D today...but this is only my opinion.

 

[tomri]

Re: (..) EF-S 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

Why 18mm-...?
- Canon has the "disadvantage" of having 1.6x crop.
I really don't get why they must make another iteration of an already good lens and again let it start at 29.x mm FF equivalent?
Most vendors don't even dare to come out with 28mm wide end for their standard zooms.
29mm really asks for another wide lens purchase right away (and permanent lens changes later on).

 

[mrzero]

There will also be something called a Power Zoom Adaptor being announced, but there is no information on this.

That name draws to mind the old EF 35-80mm f/4-5.6 PZ, where the PZ stands for Power Zoom. http://www.canon.com/c-museum/en/product/ef288.html

Sony has recently released several power zoom lenses for their E-mount, including a full-frame 28-135. I would love to have servo zoom lenses for video on a DSLR body. As this is referred to as an "adaptor," I could see it being a way to attach Canon servo lenses to EF or EF-S mount bodies or, and this is my preference, an adaptor to attach a servo to EF or EF-S lenses.

I'm very curious about this one!

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Re: (..) EF-S 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

Why 18mm-...?
- Canon has the "disadvantage" of having 1.6x crop.
I really don't get why they must make another iteration of an already good lens and again let it start at 29.x mm FF equivalent?
Most vendors don't even dare to come out with 28mm wide end for their standard zooms.
29mm really asks for another wide lens purchase right away (and permanent lens changes later on).

I agree. Canon must provide a lens of 17-70mm STM kit, image quality better than the old 17-85mm.

Also I expect a 15-50mm F2.8 with quality better than the 17-55mm (and do not suck dust).

 

[Proscribo]

Re: (..) EF-S 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

Why 18mm-...?
- Canon has the "disadvantage" of having 1.6x crop.
I really don't get why they must make another iteration of an already good lens and again let it start at 29.x mm FF equivalent?
Most vendors don't even dare to come out with 28mm wide end for their standard zooms.
29mm really asks for another wide lens purchase right away (and permanent lens changes later on).

I agree. Canon must provide a lens of 17-70mm STM kit, image quality better than the old 17-85mm.

Also I expect a 15-50mm F2.8 with quality better than the 17-55mm (and do not suck dust).

You mean 15-50mm F2.8 IS, right? I'd personally add a L mark to that lens too, would love the L-quality (weather sealing for example) with my 7DII. Or then I'll just win in lottery and buy FF-kit...

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Re: (..) EF-S 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

Why 18mm-...?
- Canon has the "disadvantage" of having 1.6x crop.
I really don't get why they must make another iteration of an already good lens and again let it start at 29.x mm FF equivalent?
Most vendors don't even dare to come out with 28mm wide end for their standard zooms.
29mm really asks for another wide lens purchase right away (and permanent lens changes later on).

I agree. Canon must provide a lens of 17-70mm STM kit, image quality better than the old 17-85mm.
Also I expect a 15-50mm F2.8 with quality better than the 17-55mm (and do not suck dust).

You mean 15-50mm F2.8 IS, right? I'd personally add a L mark to that lens too, would love the L-quality (weather sealing for example) with my 7DII. Or then I'll just win in lottery and buy FF-kit...

I would like Image Stabilizer, but I can live without it a 15-50mm lens if it decreases the cost and weight.

I do not think that Canon will use the L designation, only compatible with APS-C lenses.

My dream is something like the Sigma 18-35 Art, which does not change size during the zoom. :
Canon EF-S 15-50mm F2.8 Art. ;D
And costing less than $ 1,000, huh ...

 

[rrcphoto]

The shortest period (so far) between professional level DSLRs being released by Canon is 15 months (the 1D Mark II N). The 1D Mark II lasted 7 quarters and then there was the 1D Mark IV that about 2 years. Even Canon's first full frame camera (1Ds) lasted less than 2 years - and that was a $8000 camera.

Visit http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/rumours.html and scroll down to the Canon DSLR Timeline to learn some history.

Sure. But by the looks of it, that's an old habit. Look at the gap with 7D to 7D2, 5D2 to 5D3 to 5D4, 1DX to 1DX2, 6D to 6D2, 60D to 70D, etc.

a few things happened .. looks like canon updated a fab. there was an earthquake/tsunami that hit japan...

canon went four years with the 18mp derivatives, and then in basically 18 months came out with 3 different APS-C sensors. (70D sensor, 7D2 sensor, 760D sensor). they may make it 4 in 2 years if the 80D is a 24Mp DPAF sensor.

next september the 7D2 would be 3 years old, that fits with the timelines that pro/prosumer bodies in the past were updated around every 3 years.

there could have been alot of things held up because canon was waiting for patents to process if they are indeed serious about updating their sensors with ADC's.

we'll certainly have more a clue when the 80D comes out, but it's not that far out out there. canon in the past has done short term around if it felt there was enough change to do a new camera body. it's actually better for canon to do short term around on cameras if they feel there's enough sales benefit to do so.

realistically the "must update" is the 80D,SL1, 5D,6D,760D, 1DC, 7D2 - by next september? not really a stretch.

if canon did indeed catch up to sony, i would hope they would refresh their product line in relatively short order to shut everyone up.

 

[Don Haines]

Whoop-de-do..... so Canon is testing prototypes of the 7D3..... you realize that the 7D3 project probably started a year before the 7D2 was released? You realize that prototypes for field testing emerge a year or more than the production models? All this tells us is that at some point in the future there MIGHT be a 7D3.... It looks promising, but market forces could tell us otherwise.

What are the features on the prototypes? Doesn't matter.... it could be to test software, to test a user interface, to test hardware, or whatever.....

Right now, the 7D2 is about 2 1/2 years old. The presence of prototypes in the field tells us that a new one will PROBABLY be more than 6 months away and PROBABLY less than 18 months away, or a 3-4 year update cycle... my bet is on 4 years.

No sense getting all excited and bent out of shape over this.....

 

[Loswr]

if canon did indeed catch up to sony, i would hope they would refresh their product line in relatively short order to shut everyone up.

Who's 'everyone'? Probably not worth the expense to accelerate R&D because a few people are complaining on the Internet.

 

[Don Haines]

if canon did indeed catch up to sony, i would hope they would refresh their product line in relatively short order to shut everyone up.

Who's 'everyone'? Probably not worth the expense to accelerate R&D because a few people are complaining on the Internet.

I thought "accelerate R&D" was an oxymoron

 

[Chaitanya]

Here are images of 18-135mm USM with power zoom adaptor and 80D :
http://digicame-info.com/2016/02/ef-s18-135mm-f35-56-is-usm-1.html

http://digicame-info.com/2016/02/eos-80d-2.html

shame looks like its still single SD card slot for this camera.

 

[kphoto99]

80D has 2 new shooting modes, C1 & C2 (compared to 70D)
... 2 other new pictures on the shooting mode dial??

base ISO goes up to 16000? (same as 7d Mark II)

Scene and time laps

 

[whothafunk]

This is the 80D


24.2MP
49 point focus*
wifi and nfc*
8fps with larger buffer with high speed uhs support.*
Upgraded viewfinder from the 70D guaranteed*, this may mean a larger viewfinder, more information in it, red dot light up points, or a user replaceable focus screen or all four.*
Flicker free and f8 autofocus*
Not sure is it will have dpaf as we know it today, have heard of something hexa focus but i don't know what that is
more custom features like the 7d2 has, something like the ability to change profiles maybe.
greater weather sealing more or less close to the 7D1*.

* are true features i know as fact.

Seems like your "source" was off regarding the 80D (minus the 24MP, wi-fi and NFC, which was a no brainer in 80D), which makes your claim about the 7D3 even more unreliable.