Canon EOS M2 Gets Official in Asia, Not Coming to the USA or Europe?

[Lichtgestalt]

Re: Canon EOS M2 Gets Official

no flash.. not a big deal for some. but i guess some possible M customers will miss it.

no EVF.

those two missing features make the EOS M2 cheaper to manufacture then competing mirroless cameras.
so compared to other cameras the rumored/translated japanese price is to high, in my opinion.

FPS disappointing.

a 6$ wifi chip does not cut the cake.

at least we can hope the AF is now a match to other mirrorless offerings.

 

[Bob Howland]

Re: Canon EOS M2 Gets Official

I'll bet Canon USA is annoyed, unless they can get them on store shelves within a week or so.

My assumption is that Canon (as many other large corporations) believes in statistics when it takes market decisions.

And judging by CIPA statistics primary mirrorless market is Japan (and Asia) where mirrorless hold about ~ 35% of "interchangeable lens cameras" market (the rest are DSLRs ~ 65%).

In Americas mirrorless is only 8-10% while DSLRs hold whole 90-92%.

So, what you see as "EOS M" and "EOS M2" are tiny cameras with minimalistic design that are targeted for Japan (in first place).

It's just like with the cars: if you are from USA you are supposed to drive Nissan Patrol, not Nissan Micra (and shoot with EOS 1D X + at least some EF 400 from its window... )

Did you read my entire post, because your "response" makes no sense?

Incidentally, I drive a Honda Fit.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

I hope the EOS-M2's AF speed increase is in comparison to the EOS-M AF speed after the recent firmware update.

 

[traveller]

I think there may be a processing power and heat dissipation issue with the 20MP sensor from the 70D; either that or it's too expensive to manufacture!

 

[Quasimodo]

Its hard not to read this as anything else than; too little, too late. While the original EOS M could be read as a test baloon in the mirrorless market, the new version does not communicate that they deem this market interesting.

 

[EchoLocation]

Has this been announced in the US yet?
you think they will finally announce the 11-22mm lens in the US along with this camera?
*update* just saw the latest post... is this really not being announced in the US at all? what is Canon thinking?
are they just quitting? will they have a FF mirrorless coming soon(or ever?) I feel like they are just giving up on trying to do anything besides DSLR's in the US. You would think they might give a little more effort in to developing something for the future.

 

[Lichtgestalt]

Re: Canon EOS M2 Gets Official

I'll bet Canon USA is annoyed, unless they can get them on store shelves within a week or so.

My assumption is that Canon (as many other large corporations) believes in statistics when it takes market decisions.

And judging by CIPA statistics primary mirrorless market is Japan (and Asia) where mirrorless hold about ~ 35% of "interchangeable lens cameras" market (the rest are DSLRs ~ 65%).

In Americas mirrorless is only 8-10% while DSLRs hold whole 90-92%.

So, what you see as "EOS M" and "EOS M2" are tiny cameras with minimalistic design that are targeted for Japan (in first place).

It's just like with the cars: if you are from USA you are supposed to drive Nissan Patrol, not Nissan Micra (and shoot with EOS 1D X + at least some EF 400 from its window... )

Did you read my entire post, because your "response" makes no sense?

Incidentally, I drive a Honda Fit.

it makes sense.

and as the article update says... they may not see in in the USA at all.
so no interference with christmas sales.

maybe only a PRO modell will be available in the USA and europe.

 

[Random Orbits]

It looks like this may be an Asia only model. Size was never the primary defect of the M in the North American market. CanonUSA is better off skipping this one and waiting for one with the 70D sensor for the M2. And if they can improve on the focusing speed of the 70D chip with new algorithms, then the M2 will be a formidable entry.

And if a new M is not ready with a 70D chip until next year, kudos to CanonUSA for not confusing the market by bringing this "update" to this market. If the M is currently selling for 300, how much more can they sell this minor update? It's just not worth it.

 

[stolpe]

Please Canon, release a EOS-M2 Pro model as soon as possible...

/ Stolpe

 

[Orangutan]

The limited release is interesting. It almost seems like Canon is using this as market research: maybe they are still trying to find the core feature set and pricing that will sell well in the US and Europe.

My main disappointment is that $800 for this device means the "big brother" will be absurdly expensive.

 

[YuengLinger]

I imagine there are a lot of high-end products that don't show up in the USA. Back in the early 2000's, ASUS computers had a line of beautiful magnesium-alloy shell laptops, state of the art circuitry, that never made it over here. Of course that might have been when Asus was just beginning to test the waters in the USA.

But living in China back then, I tried Amazon several times for some of the gadgets I saw there, brands like Samsung, Sharp, IBM, and Sony. Found that while anything available in the States could be found in China, many nicer items for sale there could were not showing up on either Amazon or Best Buy.

Maybe marketing and regulatory costs and shipping just don't add up to profit for every item. And of course lately the US economy, except for the stock market, continues to spiral downward.

 

[lw]

One would assume however that production of the current M will cease, and be replaced by the M2.

If the M2 isn't going to be available in EU or US, then they better have a big inventory of current M models, or the M-Pro of whatever the dual-pixel version is called had better be available soon.

Even then, I can't imagine the EU or US only wanting one enthusiast oriented model in their M system line up with no entry level to suck people into the system.

That makes little sense, unless they intend selling the M-Pro for $299, which I somehow doubt!

 

[Lichtgestalt]

One would assume however that production of the current M will cease, and be replaced by the M2.

If the M2 isn't going to be available in EU or US, then they better have a big inventory of current M models, or the M-Pro of whatever the dual-pixel version is called had better be available soon.

Even then, I can't imagine the EU or US only wanting one enthusiast oriented model in their M system line up with no entry level to suck people into the system.

That makes little sense, unless they intend selling the M-Pro for $299, which I somehow doubt!

it makes even less sense to ship all that stuff over to USA or europe to sit on the shelves.
look at microsofts surface tablet.

 

[Loswr]

UPDATE
...my contact at Canon Canada didn’t even know the camera was coming.

Interesting. When the EF-M 11-22mm was not launched in the US, it was reported as a decision by Canon USA. But if Canon Canada wasn't notified of the M2 launch in Asia, that suggests a decision by Canon HQ.

 

[lw]

DPR confirm that Canon Europe have said the M2 won't be available in Europe.

 

[lw]

it makes even less sense to ship all that stuff over to USA or europe to sit on the shelves.
look at microsofts surface tablet.

True...

I guess that having had to sell off EOS M cheap, they may be reluctant to repeat that when it probably hits the local bottom line.

 

[traveller]

Maybe Canon are starting to realise that the Western market is completely different to the Asian market. In North America and Europe, mirrorless cameras seem to be bought by photography enthusiast or professionals, either to complement existing DSLR systems that they own, or to replace them. They are therefore looking for much more capable systems than Asian consumers, who seem to favour compact size and consumer orientated features.

The questions are whether Canon is interested in developing EOS-M as a more enthusiast and pro orientated system and if so, whether they have missed the boat. I cannot answer the first part of that question, but I still think that Canon are not too late to reposition EOS-M in the Western markets. They have a massive installed user base of EOS users; if they can make an EOS-M that worked just like their DSLRs and worked well with EF mount lenses via their adaptor, then I still think they could have a winning system. The main factors that put me off buying into another manufacturer system are the cognitive dissonance of learning a whole new interface and using it alongside my Canon DSLRs and the difficulty of using them as proper backup bodies without losing features.

 

[dolina]

They could be beta testing the damn thing on us Asians before shipping it elsewhere. We tend to be more forgiving.

 

[mackguyver]

Maybe Canon are starting to realise that the Western market is completely different to the Asian market. In North America and Europe, mirrorless cameras seem to be bought by photography enthusiast or professionals, either to complement existing DSLR systems that they own, or to replace them. They are therefore looking for much more capable systems than Asian consumers, who seem to favour compact size and consumer orientated features.

The questions are whether Canon is interested in developing EOS-M as a more enthusiast and pro orientated system and if so, whether they have missed the boat. I cannot answer the first part of that question, but I still think that Canon are not too late to reposition EOS-M in the Western markets. They have a massive installed user base of EOS users; if they can make an EOS-M that worked just like their DSLRs and worked well with EF mount lenses via their adaptor, then I still think they could have a winning system. The main factors that put me off buying into another manufacturer system are the cognitive dissonance of learning a whole new interface and using it alongside my Canon DSLRs and the difficulty of using them as proper backup bodies without losing features.

Definitely different markets and that's exactly what I love about my EOS M - it's an EOS. The menus, functions, etc. are so familiar it makes using it so second nature. I don't find the EOS M's "faults" too bad, but the familiar nature by far overcomes any issues I've had with it. Would I love a high end M, though? Hell yeah!

 

[Lichtgestalt]

The branches of Canon in the USA and Europe have for one reason or another decided that their future in that market does not involve small body interchangable lens cameras, quite possibly because the race has already been run but also quite possibly because none of you (the Canon "club") believe in this format and thus didn't invest in it when it came out leading them to can it in your market.

well 80% of the ICL cameras are DSLR´s in 2013... so the market for mirroless is still small.
so the run has not even begun. and i guess canon will join in when it makes sense.

today you compete with all the m43 and co. stuff.... for what?
a small percentage of the market? high R&D cost but not much reward.
there is a though competition in the mirrorless market.
but which manufacturer makes a real profit?

people change from one brand to another quickly in the mirrorless realm.
because most have only 1 or 2 lenses anyway.
so the "run" is far from over.
canon can grab a great piece of the market whenever they choose to create a great mirrorless camera.
but today they are better of producing DSLR´s.

as customers we have EVF in mirrorless cameras that, at least i think so, still suck.
sure they are getting better and some offer neat gimmicks, still i prefer a FF viewfinder all day.