Canon EOS M5 Spotted at Russian Certification
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Folks should remember that the Russian Certification shows that this is a PowerShot based camera (like the M3/M10), not EOS-based. See https://nokiS___a-camera.blogspot.co.uk/p/blog-page_3.html#canon
So it won't be that 'up-market', but just an incremental improvement on the M3.
My guess is this will be like the GX7 II is to the GX7. A new digic giving it a much needed performance boost.
As for new sensors, and any other new features. Who knows? But I wouldn't hold my breath personally...
Also, don't read too much into the one model not having wifi or bluetooth. The source of those details isn't provided by Nokishita. It isn't in the Novocert filing AFAIK. So just treat for what it is. A partial, unconfirmed rumour.
Sorry - the filter removes the s word from Nokishita's name. So fill it in yourself
So it won't be that 'up-market', but just an incremental improvement on the M3.
My guess is this will be like the GX7 II is to the GX7. A new digic giving it a much needed performance boost.
As for new sensors, and any other new features. Who knows? But I wouldn't hold my breath personally...
Also, don't read too much into the one model not having wifi or bluetooth. The source of those details isn't provided by Nokishita. It isn't in the Novocert filing AFAIK. So just treat for what it is. A partial, unconfirmed rumour.
Sorry - the filter removes the s word from Nokishita's name. So fill it in yourself
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pwp said:
Right, for the pro you probably want to wait for Lightroom to support it, but for everyone else in the world (90% of consumers? 99%?) DPP works just fine.
Really I'm not sure where this opinion that Canon's software is suddenly inadequate came from. Of all the free software on the market Canon's has always been the best by a wide margin.
Does Sony even have RAW development software? All I remember hearing about Nikon software is that it crashes too much and Nikon shooters basically universally don't use first party software. Maybe things have changed recently but Canon's software was part of why I chose the brand four years ago. If you want to get the best results out of a RAW file without significantly modifying the image then Canon DPP is every bit as good as any other software on the market.
IglooEater said:
The demonstration video is convincing enough, if they can give me extra depth of field information in every picture without changing any other settings then this is incredibly valuable.
For Macro this is will drastically reduce the number of pictures you need to take, and I can't really think of any reason not to use it everywhere else (besides the file size).
Unless the feature is a lie and they're not adding extra depth of field information to a given picture, but if the feature isn't smoke and mirrors then I don't see any reason that this isn't one of the most significant features added to any camera body in a long time.
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rrcphoto said:
People want a) the DR and b) the DPAF. Whether it's the exact 80D sensor or something equivalent isn't important.
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pokerz said:
I think the shot and most likely answer is no, M5 will not have 4K, because that will annoy most people.
Unless it is a plan so cunning, that the M5 will some how be better at 4K than the 5d IV in that it will have 1.6 crop for one ting one would hope(vs 1.75..). And the thinking being that people who have bought the 5d IV is more likely to buy the m5 as well. Then the M5 steeling sales from the 5d as the 5d is something totally different when it comes to stills. How many people considering a M5 will buy a instead 5d for the 4K options?. This is what I hope is the plan, but is far fetched.
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pokerz said:
Really, how many people you'd guess there are in the world who a) want 4K b) consider buying the 5D4 or the 1DX2 and c) would instead buy an M if only one had 4K?
There are probably dozens of actually good reasons not to suddenly put 4K to the M5, two of the most obvious ones are power drain (the M's already have pretty inadequate battery life) and, as a direct consequence, heat dissipation issues. You can be certain that Canon isn't going to repeat Sony's folly with the A6300. Anyway, it would make zero sense to suddenly add 4K to a low-end consumer camera before even introducing it to Canon's prosumer DSLR series...
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9VIII said:
Well it's kind of free, it's built into the price of your cameras. The viewpoint that Canon software is inadequate hasn't just made a sudden appearance. It is a long held opinion which has barely varied since the dawn of time. Nice hardware Canon, but errrgh, that software could do with some solid development.
DPP has a lot of passionate supporters and with good reason. If your photography isn't generating income, DPP is there and it works. It makes perfect sense. The resulting files are extremely good.
It is mainly the superior workflow options that keeps busy shooters with Lr and to a lesser extent CaptureOne.
-pw
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pwp said:
We're basically using the same concepts from opposite perspectives.
When Adobe charges $120 per year to use Lightroom I think it would be worthwhile for a lot of people to double check exactly how much benefit it actually provides.
The general impression I get about the industry right now is it's actually photoshop that most people really want, Lightroom is a secondary issue. There's nothing Canon can do to compete with Photoshop, but if you're doing anything other than high volume workflow and/or heavy editing, then an argument could be made that Canon's DPP may very well be the best tool for the job.
Software has always been one of Canon's strengths, and if their solution doesn't mesh with your workflow then that's just a matter of personal preference.
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9VIII said:
It's horses for courses. I'm perfectly happy to pay for the full Adobe CC Suite and it's a no-grudge business spend. From a cold hard business viewpoint I get good value from it. But of course that won't be the case for all photographers. The modest $120 per year for the Photoshop/Lightroom bundle is an absolute bargain, validated by photographers across the planet.
It's commendable that Canon does ship software with their cameras, but I think you'd find a poll would reveal that very few high volume workflow photographers would opt for DPP over Lr.
Lr is a professional standard tool. If DPP was up to the job and was a true equal to Lr then just about every Canon shooter from enthusiast to major studios would use it.
-pw
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pwp said:
A poll might be more interesting than you would think.
If you're looking at forum demographics I think it would be safe to say that less than half of the people posting here make any money off of photographs at all, and market demographics as a whole will put the vast majority in a completely amateur or personal use scenario.
And how do you define "high volume" anyway?
Lightroom seems to be a product that is proliferated because of its broad compatibility. Most people have no choice, but if you're a Canon shooter you do have a choice, and it would be prudent for the majority Canon users to at least try both and give each one a thorough examination before committing to something that will eventually cost thousands of dollars.
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neuroanatomist said:
How so?
Reminds me of I-Robot (You must be the dumbest clever person in the world! And you must be the dumbest dumb person in the world. :-D)
We have this at FF line, so I see no problem having this in crop sensor line. Also we had higher resolution of crop sensor than what any Canon delivered at that time with T6i/s compared to EOS 5D III, so it is not like Canon would not allow ANY specification from lower line to be "better".
If I have to get lousy 3FPS with 4shots deep buffer from Canon and buy it in a way to not feel totally milked, then let it be 32+Mpx sensor.
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crashpc said:
Maybe it's just the names that sound silly.
I've had similar ideas ever since the A7S came out.
If Canon ever decides to implement high quality 4K recording in a consumer level crop body then they should release a Rebel or EOS-M with a 12MP sensor. They might even be able to do it with the old manufacturing process and pump out the chips for less money than something with higher resolution.
I think it's an eventuality that Canon will release a 4K capable Rebel, it's just a matter of time.
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