Canon to Make a Big Splash at Photokina? [CR2]

[ahsanford]

Does Canon usually announce entry-level products at Photokina? I'm curious if they will be bringing out a more competitive Rebel to counter the recent entry-level Nikon refreshes.

I am excited about hearing what a new 7D II would bring.

I am excited too i want to see what they do with the 7D II and hopefully it is something revolutionary and gets pushed to the FF cameras like the 5d4.

Yes, but this doesn't preclude EF lenses being 'cropped'. Would be nice as a type of digital TC. However knowing Canon's marketing policies, it's almost definitely not going to happen.

I'm always lost with crop-mode on Nikon FX to DX. Unless you want to shave your RAW file size (cough D800 cough), why crop in-camera like that? Why not crop in post?

- A

 

[Loswr]

Yes, but this doesn't preclude EF lenses being 'cropped'. Would be nice as a type of digital TC. However knowing Canon's marketing policies, it's almost definitely not going to happen.

A 'digital TC'? Nope. Canon has very nice optical TCs they'll happily sell you for a few hundred bucks. It's likely Canon will put f/8 AF into the 7DII, the better to induce people to buy a TC to go with their 100-400L...

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The single most interesting thing is going to be the sensor in the new camera. I want to know if Canon is going to compete with Sony or keep putting lipstick on their current sensor technology. This will help me decide where my future camera dollars are going to be spent.

Yes, although I will give them until the 3D/5D4 next year, just in case they don't quite go full IQ hog for the 7D2.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Two years ago, I was salivating for a new 100-400L. Now, I'm not sure I'll buy one even if it comes out. I recently sold my 100-400 due to lack of use. The 70-300L delivers excellent IQ and is a very convenient size for travel. When I need a longer focal length, I use the 600/4L IS II.

But, I hope Canon releases a new 100-400L - when the current was my primary birding lens, I was very happy with it.

The more "1DX" they put into the 7D Mark II, the more I will like it! 8)

What if most of what the 1D X they put in the 7DII is retail cost?

Ah Neuro.... you can be evil

I expect the camera to be somewhere in the $2500 range.... so yes, I do expect that a bit of the 1DX price will be included

I can be more evil.
It will be a 70D with the "EOS 70D" emblem replaced with "EOS $3500USD" on the bodies ;D.

 

[Lee Jay]

Yes, but this doesn't preclude EF lenses being 'cropped'. Would be nice as a type of digital TC.

A digital TC is an increase in pixel density, not a crop. However, the 7D replacement will almost certainly be a "digital TC" compared to the 1DX - maybe as much as a 2x.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I wonder if the new sensor technology is a cropping function like that of Nikon.

They need a crop function in their full frame not in their APS-C as much (although there could be some use since some wildlife is way, way out there). That would scarcely be revolutionary sensor tech though! It's trivial, they could do it now if they wanted to with beyond ease with any body they have out if they wrote the firmware for it.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I wonder if the new sensor technology is a cropping function like that of Nikon.

Nikon DX lenses have the same flange distance as non-DX lenses, so they can be mounted on FX bodies without the mirror ever hitting the lens. This is why the crop mode works just fine on FX bodies.

EF-S lenses, or at least some of them, have a shorter flange distance than EF lenses. Therefore mounting EF-S lenses on FF bodies would be safe if either the mirror is locked up prior to mounting the lens and making the camera work like a mirrorless, or disabling the camera if it wasn't. I don't see that happening.

WHy not? The main point of the cropping is not to use DX lenses but to get more processing throughput and use up less storage when shooting distance limited stuff.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Does Canon usually announce entry-level products at Photokina? I'm curious if they will be bringing out a more competitive Rebel to counter the recent entry-level Nikon refreshes.

I am excited about hearing what a new 7D II would bring.

I am excited too i want to see what they do with the 7D II and hopefully it is something revolutionary and gets pushed to the FF cameras like the 5d4.

Yes, but this doesn't preclude EF lenses being 'cropped'. Would be nice as a type of digital TC. However knowing Canon's marketing policies, it's almost definitely not going to happen.

I'm always lost with crop-mode on Nikon FX to DX. Unless you want to shave your RAW file size (cough D800 cough), why crop in-camera like that? Why not crop in post?

- A

Note that D800 goes from 4fps FF to 6fps crop mode. Less pixels to push equals the same CPUs and all can drive more fps. And as well, did you notice how much less storage space an APS-C cropped D800 RAW takes than a FF D800 file? If you are shooting distant wildlife and such why do you need to store all that dumb wasted boundary pixel stuff?? It stuffs up HDs, makes backing up take longer, fills up CF cards faster, clogs up the camera's buffer more quickly and makes it flush less quickly.

So:
saves you money and time and clutter of having more HD around
gives you better camera buffer performance
potentially gives you more fps

they all sound like excellent and legit reasons to me

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

1600mm f/2.8 EF-S

first

 

[ahsanford]

I'm always lost with crop-mode on Nikon FX to DX. Unless you want to shave your RAW file size (cough D800 cough), why crop in-camera like that? Why not crop in post?

- A

Did you not note that D800 goes from 4fps FF to 6fps crop mode??? Less pixels to push equals the same CPUs and all can drive more fps. And as well, did you notice how much less storage space an APS-C cropped D800 RAW takes than a FF D800 file? If you are shooting distant wildlife and such why do you need to store all that dumb wasted boundary pixel stuff?? It stuffs up HDs, makes backing up take longer, fills up CF cards faster, clogs up the camera's buffer more quickly and makes it flush less quickly.

So:
saves you money and time and clutter of having more HD around
gives you better camera buffer performance
potentially gives you more fps

they all sound like excellent and legit reasons to me

Great answer, thanks. I didn't think about buffer/framerate.

- A

 

[slclick]

I love my current gear lineup but I know I have issues with g.a.s. so deep down I'm hoping there will not be anything on the horizon that piques my interest.However, thinking selflessly, for the rest of you lunkheads, I hope Santa brings you everything you asked for.

 

[Lee Jay]

Great answer, thanks. I didn't think about buffer/framerate.

Buffer, frame rate, and file sizes are all good reasons for an in-camera crop on high-pixel-count bodies, even if they are crop bodies already. Extra "magnification" or "reach" are not valid reasons.

 

[mrsfotografie]

I wonder if the new sensor technology is a cropping function like that of Nikon.

They need a crop function in their full frame not in their APS-C as much (although there could be some use since some wildlife is way, way out there). That would scarcely be revolutionary sensor tech though! It's trivial, they could do it now if they wanted to with beyond ease with any body they have out if they wrote the firmware for it.

I was suggesting it would be a croppable full-frame camera

 

[Etienne]

Does Canon usually announce entry-level products at Photokina? I'm curious if they will be bringing out a more competitive Rebel to counter the recent entry-level Nikon refreshes.

I am excited about hearing what a new 7D II would bring.

I am excited too i want to see what they do with the 7D II and hopefully it is something revolutionary and gets pushed to the FF cameras like the 5d4.

Yes, but this doesn't preclude EF lenses being 'cropped'. Would be nice as a type of digital TC. However knowing Canon's marketing policies, it's almost definitely not going to happen.

I'm always lost with crop-mode on Nikon FX to DX. Unless you want to shave your RAW file size (cough D800 cough), why crop in-camera like that? Why not crop in post?

- A

In Camera cropping is necessary for video, so you don't lose resolution if you want a tighter shot.

 

[mrsfotografie]

If they were talking about a camera, why would they state "Get your camera ready"? My guess -a new online photo sharing service

You have a point!

How about "get your camera ready ... for a new lens"???

Looking at the teaser... new 50mm?

 

[bcflood]

I love my current gear lineup but I know I have issues with g.a.s. so deep down I'm hoping there will not be anything on the horizon that piques my interest.However, thinking selflessly, for the rest of you lunkheads, I hope Santa brings you everything you asked for.

Thanks, but Santa would have to get a second job to fulfill all my wishes ;D

 

[surapon]

Dear Friends :
"“a lot of the 1D X” in the new camera 7D MK II. "---Money/ Cost = $3500 US Dollars= in 7D MK II ???
Surapon

 

[candyman]

Something BIG...sure....


A 800mm f/5.6 IS USM with built-in 1.4 TC ;D

 

[Antono Refa]

Great answer, thanks. I didn't think about buffer/framerate.

Buffer, frame rate, and file sizes are all good reasons for an in-camera crop on high-pixel-count bodies, even if they are crop bodies already. Extra "magnification" or "reach" are not valid reasons.

+1

 

[dgatwood]

I wonder if the new sensor technology is a cropping function like that of Nikon.

Nikon DX lenses have the same flange distance as non-DX lenses, so they can be mounted on FX bodies without the mirror ever hitting the lens. This is why the crop mode works just fine on FX bodies.

EF-S lenses, or at least some of them, have a shorter flange distance than EF lenses. Therefore mounting EF-S lenses on FF bodies would be safe if either the mirror is locked up prior to mounting the lens and making the camera work like a mirrorless, or disabling the camera if it wasn't. I don't see that happening.

To be pedantic, the flange distance is the same, but the lens sticks out farther beyond the flange. A FF mirror box design could work around it, but it would be somewhat more complex.