EOS 7D Mark II Test Camera [CR1]

[bseitz234]

I do like the 21mp number better than 24 for APS-C... I personally have no problem with 18, but I'd be OK with 21. I'd certainly take 21+less noise over 24+more... I'm not trying to print 48" wide.

Splitting hairs a bit aren't you? Personally, I'd like exactly 20.85MP The difference in file size between 21MP and 24MP is pretty small (though not the files themselves!). It sounds like you are falling for the "fewer megapixels equals lower noise" myth.

OK, I see your point, and it does sound like that. I'm more in the camp of "I highly doubt canon will give us 24 mp AND much-reduced noise, because that would be too much camera and they can milk us for more money by not putting them in the same camera".

 

[Rienzphotoz]

I see a place for this in my camera bag ... I hope it has in-camera HDR, comes in very handy.

 

[meli]

Well, I wonder how ISO 51k RAW will look like in APS-C. Or even at 102k. If sometimes my 5D3 gets to its limits @ 25k and 51k. Might a thouroughly new sensor tech make that possible...? :-\ With these specs a next update of a 5D could see native ISOs 100-51200 (L 50, H1 102400, 204800) and an 1Dx (H1 204800, H2 409600) !!!

But, let's keep in mind what NL also added:
"Not from a well known source, so I'm still looking for confirmation of different aspects."

Get a 7d file and push it to 25K iso. Thats the best case 56k scenario.

 

[TW]

It seems to me that if you believe the 7DII sensor will be cut from the same wafer as the rumored "big megapixel" camera, then I'd say 21 MP is too low.

21x1.6=33.6, and I would be very surprised if the FF biggie came in at only 33.6 MP, less than the D800's 36 MP.

Of course this assumes the two camera sensors would be sharing the same sensor design, but that seems to be what a lot of people are thinking around here. So.... :-\ :-\ :-\

 

[RGF]

A couple areas that could be better on this camera - namely more AF points (of course quality/speed of AF is very important) and a second cf or sd slot.

10 FPS is a surprise, I had only expected 7 or 8 at 20+ mp.

ISO is as expected

Ergonomics remains to be seen

Overall mildly disappointed

 

[bseitz234]

It seems to me that if you believe the 7DII sensor will be cut from the same wafer as the rumored "big megapixel" camera, then I'd say 21 MP is too low.

21x1.6=33.6, and I would be very surprised if the FF biggie came in at only 33.6 MP, less than the D800's 36 MP.

Of course this assumes the two camera sensors would be sharing the same sensor design, but that seems to be what a lot of people are thinking around here. So.... :-\ :-\ :-\

1.6 is the crop factor, not the difference in area of the sensor. I think 1.6 comes from the diagonal, if I'm right?
Not feeling up to doing much math this morning, but that's what google is for, right? I've heard people say FF has a 1 1/3 stop advantage in light gathering, which I assume means more than twice the area (really 2 ^ 1.3333 times the area), which means 52.9mp.

 

[docsmith]

These are not the specs that will really matter if the 7DII is to be anything but an incremental increase over the 7D. Sensor data such as ISO performance, DR, color bit depth, etc or AF performance (focus to EV -3, etc) are what will truly be "game changing" specs for the 7DII. Maybe a new more powerful battery to power the AF.

I was expecting ~24 MP, but 21 MP is more than enough. 19 AF points does not sound like a "mini-1Dx"...so this could be one of the variations being tested with others more advanced.

But overall, this could be a very nice, perhaps incremental, upgrade or a true game changer...but it is more detailed specs that will really matter.

 

[Sporgon]

I wonder if the GPS and WiFi will result in a plastic top plate. If it doesn't it will prove the plastic top plate of the 6D was to differentiate it from the 5D

 

[traveller]

It seems to me that if you believe the 7DII sensor will be cut from the same wafer as the rumored "big megapixel" camera, then I'd say 21 MP is too low.

21x1.6=33.6, and I would be very surprised if the FF biggie came in at only 33.6 MP, less than the D800's 36 MP.

Of course this assumes the two camera sensors would be sharing the same sensor design, but that seems to be what a lot of people are thinking around here. So.... :-\ :-\ :-\

Your calculation is wrong, you need to multiply 1.6 x 1.6 x 21 = 53.76MP.

 

[Malte_P]

It seems to me that if you believe the 7DII sensor will be cut from the same wafer as the rumored "big megapixel" camera, then I'd say 21 MP is too low.

21x1.6=33.6, and I would be very surprised if the FF biggie came in at only 33.6 MP, less than the D800's 36 MP.

Of course this assumes the two camera sensors would be sharing the same sensor design, but that seems to be what a lot of people are thinking around here. So.... :-\ :-\ :-\

your math is wrong.

you have to calculate the sensor AREA (APS-C vs. FF).

 

[RLPhoto]

These specs are good. The 19 point AF in the 7D had no complaints from me, Infact that's still more cross type points than a d4! Everything is good here now just has to be around 1599$.

 

[Haydn1971]

This does sound as the 70D to me... then I would be happy.

Plus 1 too... The 7DII needs to be more than this, fine with resolution stated, fine also with wifi and gps built in (easy extra sales point = higher price = higher profit margin = keep selling cameras) the AF needs to be top notch for crop at 40+ points, otherwise, the real game changer can only by the performance of the sensor which in my opinion, needs to outperform the lesser crop models, not recycle the same tech.

 

[setterguy]

I am a 7D owner and love the camera, but feel a bit let down by the potential projections for the 7DII. This will probably lead me to make the commitment to a FF camera albeit it a significant cost jump for a serious amateur. I look forward to the developing story in the future.

 

[kubelik]

this is like a 180-degree u-turn from the previous rumors about the 7D Mark II being a huge leap forward rather than an incremental step up. is this perhaps the 70D instead? that would be a whole lot more exciting.

 

[daniela]

Interresting, in Japenese forums he specs are handeld a little bit better. Price over the 5D3

 

[Don Haines]

It's a bit more than I would expect for a 70D and a bit less than I would expect for a 7D2. It's a test camera..... It could be either the 70D or 7D2, or it could be sub-systems from either.... or both.... or some from each.

It's a rumour about a test camera.... clues about the future, but nothing to get excited about.....

 

[daniela]

These spec are a bit "sub"...
Like a pushed-up 7100. Wait for the D400. It might be superior, if this 7D specs are true. And the D400 will be - again - cheaper....

Canon, hurry up and make it better!

 

[East Wind Photography]

I wouldnt be surprised to see it priced over the 5diii. Canon has never let us down by pricing stuff at 2 year ago pricing. Expect them to drain your wallet as much as they can before bringing the price down.

Interresting, in Japenese forums he specs are handeld a little bit better. Price over the 5D3

 

[daniela]

I wouldnt be surprised to see it priced over the 5diii. Canon has never let us down by pricing stuff at 2 year ago pricing. Expect them to drain your wallet as much as they can before bringing the price down.

Interresting, in Japenese forums he specs are handeld a little bit better. Price over the 5D3

+1
It is a pity, but true

 

[EchoLocation]

This does sound as the 70D to me... then I would be happy.

I agree, these would be pretty disappointing specifications for a 7D MkII, even if the new sensor was superb. It would make more sense if this was a 70D prototype, allowing the 7D MkII to raise the bar.

This said, it is possible that Canon and Nikon are "collaborating" to deny users a high performance APS-C body, thus forcing them to switch to full frame... Rumours and conspiricy theories go hand in hand!

Outside of the 10fps, i totally agree. this camera sounds good, but not great. if people waited 4 years for this, i don't think they'd be happy, but not too thrilled. I think these specs make a great 70D, except toss in about 5-6fps instead.
If this is the 7D, it would have to be $1400 bucks to compete with the D7100, which I think has great specs, scores good reviews, and is priced aggressively.
I'd say Canon would be better tossing in a 5DIIIish AF, 2 card slots, and 10fps at a price of $1999. That would be a sexy APS-C camera that would excite all camera fans, not just die hard Canon fanboys.