First Images & More Specifications for the Canon EOS 6D Mark II Leak

[LonelyBoy]

This chart, comparing the DR of the 6D, 60D, 5D4, and 80D, probably gives some indication of how the 6D2 is going to perform. Note that the 80D actually handily beats the original 6D at ISO 100, thanks to the new sensor tech with on-chip ADCs!

So if the on-chip ADC is also in the 6D2, it might/will top the 5D4. Nice!
Oh, and the Digic 7 might help some as well.

Well but the 5D4 also has on-chip ADC, so the 6D2 isn't going to have another boost equal to that margin over the 5D4. It might be incrementally better due to having another year of development on the sensor design, but even if it does, it will be hard to see in final images.

 

[ahsanford]

Could someone explain what's leading them to conclude that the focusing screen is not interchangeable?

All I believe I've seen on this is Sporgon's quote form earlier on this thread:

No user interchangeable screen by the looks of the front pic. Aaaargh - I want one.

Canon is doomed.

Sporgon, care to elaborate on what you are seeing? I just don't know what tell you are seeing in the picture. Thanks for clarifying.

- A

 

[JMKE]

This chart, comparing the DR of the 6D, 60D, 5D4, and 80D, probably gives some indication of how the 6D2 is going to perform. Note that the 80D actually handily beats the original 6D at ISO 100, thanks to the new sensor tech with on-chip ADCs!

Well but the 5D4 also has on-chip ADC, so the 6D2 isn't going to have another boost equal to that margin over the 5D4. It might be incrementally better due to having another year of development on the sensor design, but even if it does, it will be hard to see in final images.

Think your right on that one. Difference will be (probably) the same as with the 5D3 and the 6D1.
And even if it is on-par with the 5D4 its still a nice, and welcome, improvement over the previous model.

 

[bdunbar79]

This chart, comparing the DR of the 6D, 60D, 5D4, and 80D, probably gives some indication of how the 6D2 is going to perform. Note that the 80D actually handily beats the original 6D at ISO 100, thanks to the new sensor tech with on-chip ADCs!

So if the on-chip ADC is also in the 6D2, it might/will top the 5D4. Nice!
Oh, and the Digic 7 might help some as well.

I don't think there will be any difference at all in DR. May a tenth or two stops, but that's going to be it. Unless Canon radically redesigned the sensor architecture over the 5D4, which is very unlikely. The Digic 7 won't affect DR as DR is derived from the sensor only (read noise and full-well capacity).

 

[NorbR]

Could someone explain what's leading them to conclude that the focusing screen is not interchangeable?

Check out the front views of the 6D (which does have interchangeable screens) and the 5D4 (which does not):
http://camerasize.com/compact/#682,380,ha,f

The 6D Mark II looks just like the 5D4, and does not appear to have that little latch that the 6D has to access the focus screen.

 

[hbr]

Well but the 5D4 also has on-chip ADC, so the 6D2 isn't going to have another boost equal to that margin over the 5D4. It might be incrementally better due to having another year of development on the sensor design, but even if it does, it will be hard to see in final images.

Are you sure the 6D II won't have on-chip ADC or am I misunderstanding your post?

 

[-pekr-]

Well but the 5D4 also has on-chip ADC, so the 6D2 isn't going to have another boost equal to that margin over the 5D4. It might be incrementally better due to having another year of development on the sensor design, but even if it does, it will be hard to see in final images.

Are you sure the 6D II won't have on-chip ADC or am I misunderstanding your post?

What I actually think he is saying is, that there will not be much difference (if any) to the 5DIV chip performance.

 

[Sarpedon]

Could someone explain what's leading them to conclude that the focusing screen is not interchangeable?

Check out the front views of the 6D (which does have interchangeable screens) and the 5D4 (which does not):
http://camerasize.com/compact/#682,380,ha,f

The 6D Mark II looks just like the 5D4, and does not appear to have that little latch that the 6D has to access the focus screen.

Oooph. My enthusiasm for this camera just went out the window.

Can anyone with experience speak to the ease and quality of third-party solutions on the 5D IV or anything else that doesn't have the interchangeable option natively? The more detail the merrier. I've googled but it's hard to find decent info.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Well but the 5D4 also has on-chip ADC, so the 6D2 isn't going to have another boost equal to that margin over the 5D4. It might be incrementally better due to having another year of development on the sensor design, but even if it does, it will be hard to see in final images.

Are you sure the 6D II won't have on-chip ADC or am I misunderstanding your post?

Yeah, what I'm saying is the 5D4 has on-chip ADC. The 5D4 also has on-chip ADC, so any sensor advantage of the 6D2 sensor won't be because of the on-chip ADC, and it certainly won't have the large increase of performance over the 5D4, since the 5D4 has the same technology.

The 80D had a big jump over the 70D. The 5D4 had a big jump over the 5D3. The 6D2 will (should) have a big jump over the 6D... but not a big jump over the 5D4. Does that make more sense?

 

[LSXPhotog]

The only feature that I honestly can't believe is missing is 4K video. That is going to be the Achilles heel when it comes to the market. It's a buzz word. It's a feature people think they need and, unfortunately, it absolutely needed to be included with this camera.

I don't shoot video and I very rarely even put my cameras into video mode at all, but that's not what it's about. I look at the market and I can see the trends and where the competition is at in terms of features and capability. Sadly for Canon, they don't seem to pay much attention to this...almost in a display of arrogance.

At some point Canon needs to understand that keeping a feature out because they might lose a 5D sale or cinema sale is losing them a CANON sale, above all.

I'm planing to buy this camera because of the tilt-screen, but the internet is going to blast this camera. It's 2017 and Canon doesn't seem to care about that fact.

 

[Mikehit]

The only feature that I honestly can't believe is missing is 4K video. That is going to be the Achilles heel when it comes to the market. It's a buzz word. It's a feature people think they need and, unfortunately, it absolutely needed to be included with this camera.

Why? No other camera at this price point has 4k. Anyone spending $2,000 on a body already knows that - and if they are looking for it they sure as hell won't find it anywhere else either.

So why, exactly, will it be an 'Achilles heel'?

terms of features and capability.

What 4k capability at $2,000?

Sadly for Canon, they don't seem to pay much attention to this...almost in a display of arrogance.

They are obviously clearly no more arrogant than Sony, Nikon or anyone else.

At some point Canon needs to understand that keeping a feature out because they might lose a 5D sale or cinema sale is losing them a CANON sale, above all.

Losing sale to...what exactly?

 

[bdunbar79]

The only feature that I honestly can't believe is missing is 4K video. That is going to be the Achilles heel when it comes to the market. It's a buzz word. It's a feature people think they need and, unfortunately, it absolutely needed to be included with this camera.

I don't shoot video and I very rarely even put my cameras into video mode at all, but that's not what it's about. I look at the market and I can see the trends and where the competition is at in terms of features and capability. Sadly for Canon, they don't seem to pay much attention to this...almost in a display of arrogance.

At some point Canon needs to understand that keeping a feature out because they might lose a 5D sale or cinema sale is losing them a CANON sale, above all.

I'm planing to buy this camera because of the tilt-screen, but the internet is going to blast this camera. It's 2017 and Canon doesn't seem to care about that fact.

The problem with all of that is Canon has done far, far more marketing research than you have. So your suppositions are most likely incorrect. People buying this camera don't give a crap about 4k video. And I know that because nobody does better market research than Canon and Canon didn't include it; intentionally.

Furthermore, again back to market research, not including 4k actually DOESN'T lose them a Canon sale. The 6D is the leading selling FF camera on the market and I'm guessing the 6D2 will sell and sell and sell and sell, without 4k video. If it would affect sales, Canon would have included it.

This is an entry-level FF camera. If you need more professional features, there are plenty of other cameras out there. What is it with you people demanding that every camera ever released have every feature possible? Get over it.

 

[LonelyBoy]

A few dozen or hundred people online will blast this camera. Countless thousands will buy it and be thrilled because it's better than their old T6i, and won't even be aware that a bunch of nerds get together in a dark corner of the internet and gnash their teeth about a feature that the countless thousands don't actually care about.

Remember, the target market for this camera is probably going to view their pictures, and whatever possible video, on a laptop screen that is at most 1080p. These aren't graphics professionals, they don't want to try to edit a 4k video, and a bunch won't even shoot RAW. They don't want a 4k video file dumped on their 4-year-old laptop to try to edit; they want a video to toss onto Instagram or Vine or FB. Like it or not, that's the intended market for this camera, and I doubt they'll care about shooting 4k. It might be a bit of a sticking point towards the end of its cycle, but that's a distinct "maybe", after it moves a whoooooole lotta units and makes Canon fat sacks of filthy lucre.

 

[Sporgon]

Could someone explain what's leading them to conclude that the focusing screen is not interchangeable?

All I believe I've seen on this is Sporgon's quote form earlier on this thread:

No user interchangeable screen by the looks of the front pic. Aaaargh - I want one.

Canon is doomed.

Sporgon, care to elaborate on what you are seeing? I just don't know what tell you are seeing in the picture. Thanks for clarifying.

- A

As NorbR has said above, the upper mirror foam buffer configuration looks just like the 5DIV. There is no catch visible as on the 5D / 5DII / 6D / 7DII. So I would say that the chances are it doesn't have one.

I am still baffled as to why the 7DII included this feature.

 

[ahsanford]

Well but the 5D4 also has on-chip ADC, so the 6D2 isn't going to have another boost equal to that margin over the 5D4. It might be incrementally better due to having another year of development on the sensor design, but even if it does, it will be hard to see in final images.

Are you sure the 6D II won't have on-chip ADC or am I misunderstanding your post?

Oh goodness, I'd assume everything will have on-chip ADC other than the most budgety-budget in Canon's line (like P&S, 1300D, etc.). I haven't been following if the Rebels got it with the last release, but the 80D got it.

So in my mind it's a certainty that the 6D2 gets it.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Oooph. My enthusiasm for this camera just went out the window.

Can anyone with experience speak to the ease and quality of third-party solutions on the 5D IV or anything else that doesn't have the interchangeable option natively? The more detail the merrier. I've googled but it's hard to find decent info.

Short version that I've read: You give your precious to a nice man who tears it apart to swap out something that really wasn't designed to be swapped out. YMMV.

Long version: I'm sure there are threads on this here at CR for the 5D3, but I don't know about the 5D4.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Could someone explain what's leading them to conclude that the focusing screen is not interchangeable?

Check out the front views of the 6D (which does have interchangeable screens) and the 5D4 (which does not):
http://camerasize.com/compact/#682,380,ha,f

The 6D Mark II looks just like the 5D4, and does not appear to have that little latch that the 6D has to access the focus screen.

I learn something new every day. Thank you!

- A

 

[ahsanford]

The 80D had a big jump over the 70D. The 5D4 had a big jump over the 5D3. The 6D2 will (should) have a big jump over the 6D... but not a big jump over the 5D4. Does that make more sense?

+1

Moving to on-chip is a much bigger bump than (say) the 6D2 coming out a year later than the 5D4 with the same technology.

See this lovely plot:
http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/DXOPDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%205D%20Mark%20III,Canon%20EOS%205D%20Mark%20IV

Expect to see a similar bump from the 6D to the 6D2. The bump from moving to on-chip (presumably) will be bigger than the bump it might get from being a one year newer design, 4 less MP, etc.

- A

 

[EduPortas]

Just itching to re-buy a heavily discounted/used 6D (sold it due to financial reasons).

I can live with AF center-focus point only, since I'm not planning to shoot a football match with it.

So thanks Canon, but I'll pass on this upgrade.

 

[wildwalker]

The only feature that I honestly can't believe is missing is 4K video. That is going to be the Achilles heel when it comes to the market. It's a buzz word. It's a feature people think they need and, unfortunately, it absolutely needed to be included with this camera.

Playing Devils Advocate here. What if Canon, by not including UHD, just saved Sony and Nikon's bacon?

Two reasons. Now, Sony and Nikon don't have to include UHD, and perhaps increase the margins on bodies that directly compete with the 6Dx line. Or, if Sony and Nikon believe that they can mop up this entry level FF sector, they can include UHD, and and be quids in (said that without any knowledge of costs of course).

Alan.