Full Specifications for the Canon EOS Rebel SL2

[unfocused]

Autofocus points are overrated.

Seriously, they are never in exactly the right place, the spread is always too small and lots of times with sports or birds, I find I'm better off just sticking to the center points anyway.

Besides, this is not a replacement or even a companion to a 1DX II. For enthusiasts, it's a little body to throw into the bike bag or backpack when you don't want to carry a big boy camera. For beginners, it's a basic DSLR that will produce outstanding pictures in a tiny package.

I'm not going to rush out and pre-order this. But, when it shows up in the refurbished store a year from now, I'll consider picking one up and pairing it with whichever of the new Sigma or Tamron 400 light zooms that has the better sharpness.

 

[Khalai]

A broad spread of cross-type AF points simply gives you a great tool to come home with more great shots. Who doesn't want that?

I would imagine people who would rather save £100 or so. The camera is well priced in UK, and those that are looking to buy a dslr at this price level will be very price conscious.

SL2 typical users are going to use Vari-Angle + Touch DPAF anyway IMHO, Canon could simply omit OVF entirely and just make M7 with EF-S mount

 

[foo]

The camera is well priced in UK, and those that are looking to buy a dslr at this price level will be very price conscious.

Disappointing that it's within spitting distance of the cost of the 750D when it was released a couple of years ago. Looks like you'll be able to get a new 750D in the UK with the 18-55 for ~130 less at an official dealer.
Sure, things have moved on and the 800D is considerably more than the 750D was at launch. Exactly how much is DPAF worth though?
Spec-wise, other than DPAF and 9 vs 19 AF points they're surprisingly similar too.

Easy to see that the 200D is aimed at liveview users though, and will likely be very good in that role.

 

[tr573]

SL2 typical users are going to use Vari-Angle + Touch DPAF anyway IMHO, Canon could simply omit OVF entirely and just make M7 with EF-S mount

I half expected this camera to be EVF/no mirror honestly. It seems like the body Canon would use to determine via sales whether people would prefer to have:

Native EF mount even if it made the body deeper
Native EF-M mount with adapter

 

[Sporgon]

SL2 typical users are going to use Vari-Angle + Touch DPAF anyway IMHO, Canon could simply omit OVF entirely and just make M7 with EF-S mount

I half expected this camera to be EVF/no mirror honestly. It seems like the body Canon would use to determine via sales whether people would prefer to have:

Native EF mount even if it made the body deeper
Native EF-M mount with adapter

Come on Guys, the 200D is defined by its optical viewfinder - thank goodness.

 

[tr573]

SL2 typical users are going to use Vari-Angle + Touch DPAF anyway IMHO, Canon could simply omit OVF entirely and just make M7 with EF-S mount

I half expected this camera to be EVF/no mirror honestly. It seems like the body Canon would use to determine via sales whether people would prefer to have:

Native EF mount even if it made the body deeper
Native EF-M mount with adapter

Come on Guys, the 200D is defined by its optical viewfinder - thank goodness.

I hate EVFs , they make me nauseous. But I was genuinely expecting Canon to try the experiment of whether people would rather buy a native EF mirrorless or not.

 

[Khalai]

SL2 typical users are going to use Vari-Angle + Touch DPAF anyway IMHO, Canon could simply omit OVF entirely and just make M7 with EF-S mount

I half expected this camera to be EVF/no mirror honestly. It seems like the body Canon would use to determine via sales whether people would prefer to have:

Native EF mount even if it made the body deeper
Native EF-M mount with adapter

Come on Guys, the 200D is defined by its optical viewfinder - thank goodness.

I hate EVFs , they make me nauseous. But I was genuinely expecting Canon to try the experiment of whether people would rather buy a native EF mirrorless or not.

Frankly, Fuji X-T1 and X-T2 (and X-Pro2 to a degree) EVFs are downright amazing. Magnification very similar to my Canon 6D, no visual rolling shutter, flicker or anything like that and shooting B&W is really fun with WYSIWYG display in EVF

 

[tr573]

SL2 typical users are going to use Vari-Angle + Touch DPAF anyway IMHO, Canon could simply omit OVF entirely and just make M7 with EF-S mount

I half expected this camera to be EVF/no mirror honestly. It seems like the body Canon would use to determine via sales whether people would prefer to have:

Native EF mount even if it made the body deeper
Native EF-M mount with adapter

Come on Guys, the 200D is defined by its optical viewfinder - thank goodness.

I hate EVFs , they make me nauseous. But I was genuinely expecting Canon to try the experiment of whether people would rather buy a native EF mirrorless or not.

Frankly, Fuji X-T1 and X-T2 (and X-Pro2 to a degree) EVFs are downright amazing. Magnification very similar to my Canon 6D, no visual rolling shutter, flicker or anything like that and shooting B&W is really fun with WYSIWYG display in EVF

I had an X100T, and I seriously could not move the camera side to side at all without getting queasy. I'm really really prone to motion sickness though, so that's just me. I drive everywhere because I can't stand being a passenger.

 

[Sharlin]

Still, do believe this is the first "DSLR" with this "feature" included. Believe only the Canon mirrorless options included this.

The 6DII will also have it, so perhaps a tie for first?

The 77D and the 800D also have it. Presumably it's a DiGIC 7 feature.

 

[Khalai]

SL2 typical users are going to use Vari-Angle + Touch DPAF anyway IMHO, Canon could simply omit OVF entirely and just make M7 with EF-S mount

I half expected this camera to be EVF/no mirror honestly. It seems like the body Canon would use to determine via sales whether people would prefer to have:

Native EF mount even if it made the body deeper
Native EF-M mount with adapter

Come on Guys, the 200D is defined by its optical viewfinder - thank goodness.

I hate EVFs , they make me nauseous. But I was genuinely expecting Canon to try the experiment of whether people would rather buy a native EF mirrorless or not.

Frankly, Fuji X-T1 and X-T2 (and X-Pro2 to a degree) EVFs are downright amazing. Magnification very similar to my Canon 6D, no visual rolling shutter, flicker or anything like that and shooting B&W is really fun with WYSIWYG display in EVF

I had an X100T, and I seriously could not move the camera side to side at all without getting queasy. I'm really really prone to motion sickness though, so that's just me. I drive everywhere because I can't stand being a passenger.

X100T was previous generation and it's on the smaller side. with only 56 FPS. X-T2 can get up to 100 FPS with battery grip and Boost mode. It's also larger. So I believe it's currently quite possible to deliver very good EVF with OLED, high resolution, good magnification and fast refresh rate.

 

[tr573]

X100T was previous generation and it's on the smaller side. with only 56 FPS. X-T2 can get up to 100 FPS with battery grip and Boost mode. It's also larger. So I believe it's currently quite possible to deliver very good EVF with OLED, high resolution, good magnification and fast refresh rate.

Of course it's possible to deliver a very good EVF. My wife thought the X100T was spectacular regardless of my issues.

I'm simply saying that I'm a person who can't even ride in a car without getting nauseated, so I doubt that even those improvements would help me pan with an EVF without getting sick. My extra sensitive nature in this department is not a slag on EVFs or people who enjoy them, it's just a thing I have to live with.

 

[gn100]

Surprising re AF points ..... I thought a target market for this product was full frame DSLR owners who wanted a small body, so coupled with a pancake would be a great "compact" camera, yet also double as a backup body ..... these people wont be satisfied with 9AF points. Otherwise most other stuff looks reasonable (assuming latest generation of sensors)

 

[Maximilian]

Surprising re AF points ..... I thought a target market for this product was full frame DSLR owners who wanted a small body, so coupled with a pancake would be a great "compact" camera, yet also double as a backup body ..... these people wont be satisfied with 9AF points. Otherwise most other stuff looks reasonable (assuming latest generation of sensors)

I am that target market that you describe and as you pointed out I am far from being satisfied.
I already own a 100D/SL1 and I was very much anticipating this release because my two points of criticism on this otherwise great (small) 100D body are:
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[*]crappy old AF (of course I do not expect a 5D4 or 7D2 AF in this body)
[*]with a wide gap to #1 the other is the sensor performance.
It's okay but could be much better with latest sensors
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So I am out of the race now.

But honestly I don't believe that Canon was defining that "second body" target market as the one they wanted to address with this body.
I believe it is the similar one as before:
People who want a tiny little DSLR and cannot decide for EVF systems. (don't ask me if that's the right description)
Now with DPAF they added some video people as well.
But even if Canon just addresses these market segments I am still very disappointed to see such very, very old, crappy (compared to what they could deliver) AF system in a 2017 body. It's a real shame IMO, no matter how much more expensive the camera would have become with a different AF system.

 

[mb66energy]

About the shocking 9 AF point thing: The german translation marks this spec list as "rumor" and the source is "someone from another country".

If the camera finally has 9 AF points, all cross type and f/8 compatible it would be absolutely sufficient for me. If it is the rumored version: shurely ok.

Don't focus only on what cameras do NOT have, praise it for what it has.

DPAF is much more flexible/fast/precise in terms of image composition and AF than any other type of AF.
Small size is a strong benefit, light weight too.
It has long battery live (up to 800-900 shots).
EDIT: It's available in white - good for its under the bright sun, stays much cooler like white lenses (no worries about overheating the camera.)
There is a strong potential to achieve very good IQ with that camera. Hopefully they keep the surroundings of sensor and DIGIC chip on a high level to keep the noise low and DR high.

 

[Maximilian]

About the shocking 9 AF point thing: The german translation marks this spec list as "rumor" and the source is "someone from another country".

That's what I meant, that I am still hoping. But the hints point into other directions.

If the camera finally has 9 AF points, all cross type and f/8 compatible it would be absolutely sufficient for me. If it is the rumored version: shurely ok.

Surely okay for someone looking for a new small DSLR.
Surely okay for me as I won't spend my money on this if so.
Not ok for someone like me who already has the 100D, likes it but wants its weak points improved and sees that the weakest point (IMO) will stay as it was. I don't believe in a all cross type AF and I never believe in f/8 in this price segment.

Don't focus only on what cameras do NOT have, praise it for what it has.
...

I focus on what I want/need.
And all other improvements are "nice to have" for me. An improved AF system - whatever kind - is a total must to me.

 

[BillB]

About the shocking 9 AF point thing: The german translation marks this spec list as "rumor" and the source is "someone from another country".

If the camera finally has 9 AF points, all cross type and f/8 compatible it would be absolutely sufficient for me. If it is the rumored version: shurely ok.

Don't focus only on what cameras do NOT have, praise it for what it has.

DPAF is much more flexible/fast/precise in terms of image composition and AF than any other type of AF.
Small size is a strong benefit, light weight too.
It has long battery live (up to 800-900 shots).
EDIT: It's available in white - good for its under the bright sun, stays much cooler like white lenses (no worries about overheating the camera.)
There is a strong potential to achieve very good IQ with that camera. Hopefully they keep the surroundings of sensor and DIGIC chip on a high level to keep the noise low and DR high.

Good point about Liveview touchscreen focussing. However, if the rumor is right about only the center point being cross, it is hard for me to see that as anything but cost control. It sure tends to make the SL2 seem like a green box wonder, at least as far as the OVF goes. Maybe full frame DSLR owners aren't as attractive a market as we might think. Or maybe they think DSLR owners will move toward M models, or move up the Rebel food chain a little.

 

[dak723]

Things that folks on this forum continue to fail to grasp:

This camera and the entire rebel line is not meant for you. You are not the target market. The least expensive cameras are meant for new DSLR owners. Yes, some folks get a second body, but folks who have FF DSLRs are certainly not the target market for the cheapest cameras.

That every new camera that is released is not meant for you. So if you have just recently bought a 5DIV or will get a 6D or ANY camera in the last 3 years, you are not the target market for this camera.

That every camera that is released will not have high end specs. No, an inexpensive camera will not have high end specs. The cheaper the camera the less high end specs.

Many folks do not care that much about specs - they care about ease of use and IQ. Lots of photographers use center point. That does not make them "green box" photographers. That does not make them folks who never go beyond the kit lens. All it means is that they do not need to use any other AF point because they don't use fast lenses or do macro photography and center point works perfectly fine for what they shoot.

 

[wjm]

Things that folks on this forum continue to fail to grasp:

This camera and the entire rebel line is not meant for you. You are not the target market. The least expensive cameras are meant for new DSLR owners. Yes, some folks get a second body, but folks who have FF DSLRs are certainly not the target market for the cheapest cameras.

Well, the Rebel SL1/100D was not for new DSLR users per se. It was more expensive (introduction price) then the Rebels back then and had *more or less* the same specs. Build was different of course. The canon 1x00D/Rebel T6 is for new DSLR owners. I, like many others, bought the SL1/100D as 'second' camera (beside 5D mark II) after having owned e.g. 10D, 30D and 5D classic.

One could expect that the Rebel SL2/200D (as the successor of the SL1/100D) will follow suit. So on par specs with the current Rebels and a (little) more expensive (because of small build).

Also: the SL1/100D was introduced in 2013 so after 4 year one could expect some improvements ...

 

[Loswr]

Things that folks on this forum continue to fail to grasp:

This camera and the entire rebel line is not meant for you. You are not the target market.

Well, the Rebel SL1/100D was not for new DSLR users per se.

The bigger thing that folks on this forum continue to fail to grasp:

We are not representative of the overall ILC market. No way, no how.

Regarding the SL1, from a feature standpoint it was comparable to the T5i, which was released around the same time; the SL1 was $100 cheaper than the T5i. The 'downmarket' T5 was even less expensive, with a reduced feature set. All three of them are 'entry-level', targeting those new to dSLRs and secondarily those upgrading from predecessors (usually much older, e.g. when their XTi breaks, they buy the current model).

Sorry, but to suggest that those already owning a higher-end dSLR and wanting to buy a second dSLR represent a significant target market is rather silly. Sure, many folks on here own more than one ILC. But like I said, we're not representative. In the broader ILC market, the number of people owning multiple bodies is vanishingly small.

 

[wjm]

Things that folks on this forum continue to fail to grasp:

This camera and the entire rebel line is not meant for you. You are not the target market.

Well, the Rebel SL1/100D was not for new DSLR users per se.

The bigger thing that folks on this forum continue to fail to grasp:

We are not representative of the overall ILC market. No way, no how.

Regarding the SL1, from a feature standpoint it was comparable to the T5i, which was released around the same time; the SL1 was $100 cheaper than the T5i. The 'downmarket' T5 was even less expensive, with a reduced feature set. All three of them are 'entry-level', targeting those new to dSLRs and secondarily those upgrading from predecessors (usually much older, e.g. when their XTi breaks, they buy the current model).

Sorry, but to suggest that those already owning a higher-end dSLR and wanting to buy a second dSLR represent a significant target market is rather silly. Sure, many folks on here own more than one ILC. But like I said, we're not representative. In the broader ILC market, the number of people owning multiple bodies is vanishingly small.

Completely true and I fully realize that. Of course a multi million company like Canon will not just bring out random products (although also multi million companies make mistakes). They have a big strategy department, market surveys, test penals, etc, etc, etc. I also never intended to suggest that people who wanted to buy a second camera is a significant market. I only wanted to say that the SL1/SL2 is not only for new users but also more advanced users who want a DSLR and 'go light' (I hardly use my 5DII anymore by the way).

Also I wanted to point out that one might expect an upgrade in AF point 'judging the past'. Nothing more, nothing less.