Here are the Canon EOS M6 Specifications

[IglooEater]

I'm curious about the mention of 45 AF points. Makes me wonder if it's something like a CMOS Hybrid AF such as is found in the t6s and t6i

they are not points as we know them on PDAF AF sensors, but more like zones on the sensor.

the M10, M3 and M5 list 49 AF points. it's really governed by firmware, not the hardware.

Ahh thank you RRC. Learning every day here.

 

[AvTvM]

with specs for T7i and 77D both explicitly stating
*dual pixel CMOS AF*
lack of that spec for M6 looks more and more *suspicious* to me.
Could it really be that Canon crippled M6 with old "hybrid CMOS AF"?


CR guy can't you verify what AF system really is inside M6???

 

[pokerz]

Another body, but the same lack of some lenses...

Practically there are NO fast M lenses. 22/2 and 28 macro are not fast focusing lenses and there is no even zoom at F4, that about 2.8.
On the wide end it's better, but after 28mm you have only dark zooms. I was expecting that after M3 announcement we will get at least 2 of 35-50-80mm primes and nothing happened.
Stupid Canon DSLR lens sales protection. I don't believe that Canon are not able to produce fast normal and short tele lenses - they just don't want to do it.

That's totally insufficient for me.

Eos M means slow and inferior, Canon has to protect its DSLR market, right?

 

[Deleted member 378664]

with specs for T7i and 77D both explicitly stating
*dual pixel CMOS AF*
lack of that spec for M6 looks more and more *suspicious* to me.
Could it really be that Canon crippled M6 with old "hybrid CMOS AF"?


CR guy can't you verify what AF system really is inside M6???

What will change if you have this (rumored) information now? You can't order the M6 right now. You have to wait either way. And the wait won't be that long until we now the real specs, not only the rumored ones.

 

[AvTvM]

purpose of this site is to be bleeding edge of rumors and information. "DPAF or not" is a key piece of info missing ... so i do expect at least a good rumour on this ... 3 days after specs are leaked ...

 

[Fleetie]

I think we should be pleased!


As far as I can see, Canon has given us more than we were expecting.
I, at least, was expecting a lower-end model that wouldn't've interested me.


The M6 is something genuinely interesting, and unexpected, for me.

 

[1kind]

Whether or not DPAF is listed or not, I'm 100% sure it is included. The specs alone scream M5 but in a M3 body upgrade. The 77D and T7i even has DPAF. So them not including DPAF into the M6 is shooting themselves would be stupid on their part. I don't think Canon is that dumb not to include it DPAF is all their newer cameras are no including it.

 

[mb66energy]

Whether or not DPAF is listed or not, I'm 100% sure it is included. The specs alone scream M5 but in a M3 body upgrade. The 77D and T7i even has DPAF. So them not including DPAF into the M6 is shooting themselves would be stupid on their part. I don't think Canon is that dumb not to include it DPAF is all their newer cameras are no including it.

Hmmm - I am not so shure about DPAF in the M6 - I see a need for a larger gap between M5 and another current EOS M and omitting the EVF isn't enough. And I think (just speculation) that the DPAF sensor is a larger part in production cost (see the stable 80D prices) ...

But hopefully I am wrong!

 

[AvTvM]

question is: does Canon use the same 24MP sensor with DPAF for all 4 cameras: M5, M6, T7i, 77D or not? and is ut the same sensor as in 80D?

I dont understand, why this should be so difficult to confirm for CR asking their sources.

i do find it *consüicuos* that spec list for t8i abd 77d explicitly include DPAF CMOS, while spec list for M6 does not. and yes, i think it would be totally Canon, if they nerfed M6 even against entry kevel rebel mirrorslappers. i do think canon could be stupid enough to do this.

 

[1kind]

Whether or not DPAF is listed or not, I'm 100% sure it is included. The specs alone scream M5 but in a M3 body upgrade. The 77D and T7i even has DPAF. So them not including DPAF into the M6 is shooting themselves would be stupid on their part. I don't think Canon is that dumb not to include it DPAF is all their newer cameras are no including it.

Hmmm - I am not so shure about DPAF in the M6 - I see a need for a larger gap between M5 and another current EOS M and omitting the EVF isn't enough. And I think (just speculation) that the DPAF sensor is a larger part in production cost (see the stable 80D prices) ...

But hopefully I am wrong!

There is no need in a gap between a M5. The M6 is essentially the same just different body. One of the biggest complaints for the M5 was not being able to flip the screen up. Anyone doing video or placing it on a tripod, the screen would be blocked. Even holding it understand, the screen is partially blocked by your hand. Granted, it would look more natural that you're looking at the lens instead of above the camera.

So not including DPAF is taking a huge step back. The M5 is like $900? For the M6 with no EVF is about $800? The EVF itself is maybe $200? (based on the DC1). Not having the EVF will already keep the cost down

I agree with AvTvM, don't know why its so difficult for these sources to confirm the spec especially when its crucial information. A simple "exactly the same as M5 just in a M3 style body" would of suffice. I have faith that Canon will do what is right for customers and include the DPAF.

I guess we'll find out soon enough. I want to know the price more importantly. I bought the EF-M adapter because I was going to get the M5 but the LCD flip screen is what is holding me back from buying. It would not work well with my YouTube video reviews and stuff.

 

[pokerz]

Whether or not DPAF is listed or not, I'm 100% sure it is included. The specs alone scream M5 but in a M3 body upgrade. The 77D and T7i even has DPAF. So them not including DPAF into the M6 is shooting themselves would be stupid on their part. I don't think Canon is that dumb not to include it DPAF is all their newer cameras are no including it.

Hmmm - I am not so shure about DPAF in the M6 - I see a need for a larger gap between M5 and another current EOS M and omitting the EVF isn't enough. And I think (just speculation) that the DPAF sensor is a larger part in production cost (see the stable 80D prices) ...

But hopefully I am wrong!

There is no need in a gap between a M5. The M6 is essentially the same just different body. One of the biggest complaints for the M5 was not being able to flip the screen up. Anyone doing video or placing it on a tripod, the screen would be blocked. Even holding it understand, the screen is partially blocked by your hand. Granted, it would look more natural that you're looking at the lens instead of above the camera.

So not including DPAF is taking a huge step back. The M5 is like $900? For the M6 with no EVF is about $800? The EVF itself is maybe $200? (based on the DC1). Not having the EVF will already keep the cost down

I agree with AvTvM, don't know why its so difficult for these sources to confirm the spec especially when its crucial information. A simple "exactly the same as M5 just in a M3 style body" would of suffice. I have faith that Canon will do what is right for customers and include the DPAF.

I guess we'll find out soon enough. I want to know the price more importantly. I bought the EF-M adapter because I was going to get the M5 but the LCD flip screen is what is holding me back from buying. It would not work well with my YouTube video reviews and stuff.

Eosm product cycle is becoming shorter, maybe wait another 4 months for next eosm.

 

[jd7]

Whether or not DPAF is listed or not, I'm 100% sure it is included. The specs alone scream M5 but in a M3 body upgrade. The 77D and T7i even has DPAF. So them not including DPAF into the M6 is shooting themselves would be stupid on their part. I don't think Canon is that dumb not to include it DPAF is all their newer cameras are no including it.

Hmmm - I am not so shure about DPAF in the M6 - I see a need for a larger gap between M5 and another current EOS M and omitting the EVF isn't enough. And I think (just speculation) that the DPAF sensor is a larger part in production cost (see the stable 80D prices) ...

But hopefully I am wrong!

There is no need in a gap between a M5. The M6 is essentially the same just different body. One of the biggest complaints for the M5 was not being able to flip the screen up. Anyone doing video or placing it on a tripod, the screen would be blocked. Even holding it understand, the screen is partially blocked by your hand. Granted, it would look more natural that you're looking at the lens instead of above the camera.

So not including DPAF is taking a huge step back. The M5 is like $900? For the M6 with no EVF is about $800? The EVF itself is maybe $200? (based on the DC1). Not having the EVF will already keep the cost down

I agree with AvTvM, don't know why its so difficult for these sources to confirm the spec especially when its crucial information. A simple "exactly the same as M5 just in a M3 style body" would of suffice. I have faith that Canon will do what is right for customers and include the DPAF.

I guess we'll find out soon enough. I want to know the price more importantly. I bought the EF-M adapter because I was going to get the M5 but the LCD flip screen is what is holding me back from buying. It would not work well with my YouTube video reviews and stuff.

Eosm product cycle is becoming shorter, maybe wait another 4 months for next eosm.

I can understand that comment, but if I had to take a guess, I'd bet the product cycles will go back to what we are used to seeing for Canon. My guess - just looking at it from the outside - is Canon is in a phase of switching much of its sensor manufacturing to its new-ish architecture with on chip ADC and DPAF. Leaving aside entry level (like M10), nearly all of the M line, the APS-C DSLRs and the full frame DSLRs will be done once the 6D mk II comes out. The exceptions will be:

5Ds/R - which is designed primarily as a stills camera so DPAF doesn't seem so relevant to it at this point, and of course it has its 50MP. So it's a unique beast with its own selling points, even if it doesn't have the new sensor architecture (although I'm sure moving it to on chip ADC would be nice)

7DII - again, intended primary for stills rather than video, so DPAF doesn't seem so relevant. However, with a camera like the 80D already nipping at its heels, and competition from the D500, I reckon a 7DIII might be on the agenda before too long.

Again, purely speculating, it may be that moving a lot of the cameras to the same sensor, or at least to sensors sharing similar architecture, makes sense from a production efficiency point of view. If so, that would explain Canon shortening some product cycles as it makes the switch-over.

 

[1kind]

Eosm product cycle is becoming shorter, maybe wait another 4 months for next eosm.

Highly doubt it. Canon isn't Nikon. I think the M6 was because of the fault of the LCD screen flip. The size and everything was perfect on the M5. It had 80D specs but the screen flipping down was a major flaw. They can't discontinue a brand new product. Or they had this planned all along which they should of released at the same time as the M5 (I say this is more probable since how can they modify/design a new camera and time for production in 4 months?).

If I bought the M5 and found out the M6 is coming out where it allowed me to flip the screen up, I would be pissed.

The M3 was released in 2015. Asia M2 was in late 2013/early 2014. So the life cycle is about a year.

 

[Deleted member 378664]

If I bought the M5 and found out the M6 is coming out where it allowed me to flip the screen up, I would be pissed.

For me there is no reason to feel pissed. I knew in advance what the screen of the M5 is capable of and what it is not. I wouldn't have bought the cam, if I needed the screen to flip up. I'm not a vlogger at all and I guess a lot of other still photogs out there also.
I guess that the M6 will have the exactly same spec list as the M5 without the EVF and therefore the capability of the screen to be flipped up all the way to 180 degree. This way one can buy the cam which fits ones needs better.

Frank

 

[Loswr]

I think the M6 was because of the fault of the LCD screen flip. The size and everything was perfect on the M5. It had 80D specs but the screen flipping down was a major flaw. They can't discontinue a brand new product. Or they had this planned all along which they should of released at the same time as the M5 (I say this is more probable since how can they modify/design a new camera and time for production in 4 months?).

The first one is rather preposterous. The M6 is the on-time replacement for the M3. The M5 with its built-in EVF is a new segment in the lineup.

 

[AvTvM]

I think the M6 was because of the fault of the LCD screen flip. The size and everything was perfect on the M5. It had 80D specs but the screen flipping down was a major flaw. They can't discontinue a brand new product. Or they had this planned all along which they should of released at the same time as the M5 (I say this is more probable since how can they modify/design a new camera and time for production in 4 months?).

The first one is rather preposterous. The M6 is the on-time replacement for the M3. The M5 with its built-in EVF is a new segment in the lineup.

i tend to agree ... but we will really only know, once the #1 question re M6 is answered: DPAF yes or no?

ps: EOS M5 downward flip LCD still will go down in history as the very dumbest of all articulated LCD implementations of all brands and all times. ffs!

 

[-1]

The M5 have continuous shooting of 9 fps but unfortunately 12bit ad conversion in continuous shooting, TFM p 214 paragraph "Recording". That's a minor firmware thingy to put an optional 3 fps mode with 14bit ad conversion. Have anyone any info on what to expect from the M6 in this respect, or do we just have wait for the manual? pp

 

[rs]

ps: EOS M5 downward flip LCD still will go down in history as the very dumbest of all articulated LCD implementations of all brands and all times. ffs!

Have you seen the articulating screen on the A7 series?

 

[AvTvM]

ps: EOS M5 downward flip LCD still will go down in history as the very dumbest of all articulated LCD implementations of all brands and all times. ffs!

Have you seen the articulating screen on the A7 series?

yes. don't recall a *freaking stupid Canon* DOWN-FLIP LCD on any Sony.

 

[rrcphoto]

Eosm product cycle is becoming shorter, maybe wait another 4 months for next eosm.

Highly doubt it. Canon isn't Nikon. I think the M6 was because of the fault of the LCD screen flip. The size and everything was perfect on the M5. It had 80D specs but the screen flipping down was a major flaw. They can't discontinue a brand new product. Or they had this planned all along which they should of released at the same time as the M5 (I say this is more probable since how can they modify/design a new camera and time for production in 4 months?).

If I bought the M5 and found out the M6 is coming out where it allowed me to flip the screen up, I would be pissed.

The M3 was released in 2015. Asia M2 was in late 2013/early 2014. So the life cycle is about a year.

huh?

the M5 has a built in EVF the M6 will not. Similar to the G5x and G7x .. the difference is really only the EVF.