How does the reveal of the final 7D2 specs make you feel?

[x-vision]

the 7D MK2 will sure be a good camera for sport and wildlife photographer.
thought i don´t think it will sell as well as the 7D.

today there are way more options.

when the 7D was release people bought the 7D who did not really need sports/wildlife camera.

Agree.
It seems to me that everyone who upgraded from the 7D to the 6D didn't need the 7D.
And, indeed, there are many more options today.

We'll see how things will play out with the 7DII.
There was a time when I was very interested in the 7D replacement.
But the just announced Nikon D750 is much more appealing now.
Times have changed, I guess.

 

[Faaier]

Sensor is an evolution, AF probably a revolution for crop camera's. The only thing that puzzels me, how will this camera connect. No WiFi but perhaps Bluetooth? Usb2 or 3! Or a fancy 300€ module to be able to work with a swivable touchscreen called iPad(or phones). I would almost be surprises If this wasn't in the pipeline.

Or is everybody just using cardreaders? The camera does not need to be a Twit/Face/Insta/Drop/Snap device, but please surprise me!

 

[Don Haines]

I took the identical picture with a 5D2 a couple moments later.... It was definitely a better picture. A better sensor will definitely give you a better picture, but unlike an earlier poster's claim, ISO200 is not the point of no return.

And yes, I hope that they do improve the noise on the 7D2 beyond what we have come to expect from Canon... We should find out in a week

I would never try and compare any crop sensor body next to a full frame body of similar resolution. They both have their advantages and disadvantage over each other. The primary advantage of crop is lower cost and usually speed (fps) compared to the FF counterpart.

This really isn't about FF vs crop. It's been proven again and again that FF sensors perform much better.

What does this mean? Well for me it means that I will buy the best camera I can afford for what I need to use it for and use the hell out of it until it breaks.

This is kind of like comparing cars against one another... each model offers something the other lacks and to get both advantages be ready to pay out the nose for it.

Cameras are no different. Not everyone can afford a 5D3 or 1DX. My opinion? Quit putting other people down because YOU own a 5D3 and brag how "superior" it is to a 7D or Rebel. Instead, show them how to use the camera to the best of the bodies ability and let them upgrade later if they feel like it.

Some of my best photos (to date) were taken by my VERY humble XTi and "non-L" 70-300. I still outsell some of those photos over what I have shot with my 7D and with my 5D2...

A true professional does not put others down because they have a "lesser" camera. Instead they teach the "newbie" HOW to learn to use his or her equipment and to learn it well.

D

The point was, that you can push a crop camera with the much maligned 18Mp sensor to the limits of the camera and still get a decent picture.

I have never put anyone down because of their gear or bragged about mine being better.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Lord these DxO ratings are rotting peoples' minds and making them spread misinformation 24/7 on the forums on how Sony/Nikon sensors are 10 stops ahead of Canon's. They are not. I still challenge anybody to give me one example of the best Sony/Nikon APS-C sensor outperforming the 70D's sensor by even more than half a stop in noise performance, dynamic range, or resolution.

Canon sensor technology is fine, more than fine. Very modern and producing excellent results. Nothing less than any competitor out there!

 

[stefsan]

As a 7D owner I am not overjoyed by the prospect of a hand-me-down sensor from a previous APS-C camera. I really like my 7D except for the awful banding noise showing up even at low ISOs. If they managed to get rid of that and get the remaining noise to look a bit less gritty, I would be much happier and might consider to get one. Apart from sensor quality (an unknown as of yet) the specs of the 7D II look rather good to me. Especially the new AF systems sounds like a real killer. Let's see what the camera can deliver in real world conditions. Until then – happy shooting everybody!

 

[MovingViolations]

I'll rent one and shoot a dimly lit rodeo arena and compare to my aging 1D Mark II. Faster fps and higher ISO at half the cost. The buffer compared to the 1D MII will also be a test it would need to pass. The 7D MII does seem to have the specs on paper for a lot of users who need to freeze the action even in low light. The proof is not coming from DXO but the arena. If the noise is no worse than the 1D MII @ ISO 1600 while shooting at ISO 4000 I'd be a happy camper with one.

 

[Jan]

Whether I'll be excited or not will depend on the performance of the sensor including its DualPixel abilities...

 

[daniela]

My girlfrieds in Japan told me, they had no internal information about the specs. The price rumored about 2200 Dollars would be to much for this product, but the 7DII wil be sold well again, as there are no alternatives to buy if you own a lot of Canon mount lenses.

The forum writers who rumored, that the 70D sensor is used in the 7DII, could be right. There are Japanese rumors that this sensor got a little bit "uppolished" and some small changes were made on the layertechnology. I expect some more information when servicemenuess for repairing are available. Otherwise it is hard to say, if this is true or not.

But the interesting thing is, that they are looking for an 5D successor (some rumors are on an 1Dx successor too). And now they hope Canon will put more efforts in these two models.

And Canon has to do so, as Sony (who puts a lot more money in developing new sensors than any other company as they will deliver this sensor to other manufacturers too) will release an overwhelming new generation of sensors. High resolution and another for fast shooting in low light.
My fangirls wrote that the low light 7 was the first try, as Sony is working on an model that combines 24MP with an fast AF system and extraordinary low light capacities. (rumores!!) The Camera could be released in end of winter/spring 2015. New lenses will follow.

 

[lo lite]

And 1080p? This cam is supposed to be good for 3-5 years. Soon they will be the only manufacturer without a high-reach 4k cam. A bit ironic that the day SanDisc goes on about the 4k revolution and introducing new 4k optimized cards, Canon comes out with 1080p again.

Dual DIGIC 6, I guess the hardware for 4k video is there. So let's see what Magic Lantern will do to push the envelope or — I doubt this — maybe, just maybe there will be a firmware update on Canon's behalf.

 

[AvTvM]

it makes me feel ... "i told you so".
Another fairly minimal iteration of a mirrorslapper. So little progress after 5 years. Not even WiFi built in. :

You call that "Another fairly minimal iteration of a mirrorslapper" ?

I wonder what kinda camera you shooting with?

I think he's still using the 7D and M.

Sold the 7D some time ago, along with some Canon EF-S and EF lenses.
Bought the 7D on the first day of availabity 09/2009 as upgrade to my 40D. Never needed and still don't need the fps, but finally wanted a decent AF system and responsiveness in a decent, universal camera with better features and build/sealing than rebels and xxD models. 7D fully delivered to that.

BUT ... I do shoot quite a bit in fairly dark environments (e.g. concerts, events) and am looking to get SIGNIFICANTLY better IQ. Both noise/banding at ISOs 800 to 6400 AND better DR at base ISO. Therefore my next camera system will likely be FF-sensored. A 7D II with only marginally better IQ [which is what I currently expect] is of no interest to me.

I was hoping there would be a number of (!) good high-end FF mirrorless camera systems with compact bodies and native lenses [yes, I know FF puts some limit to size of lenses] by end of 2014 ... including a serious Sony A7R competitor from Canon. I do prefer Canon's user interface and ergonomics over any other maker.

Currently I only have and use the EOS M. IQ is (technically) slightly better than the 7D and it is a much smaller and lighter package to travel with. OTOH, lack of viewfinder and AF-performance (especially in low light!] are a major pain to me. Touchscreen is a plus, especially for tripod-based work.

Sony A7R is so damn close to what I really want, but just not fully there yet ... AF preformance, vibration-inducing shutter, dismal battery charge, unattractive lens situation ... either too expensive [fixed focals] or not good enough [zooms] plus the fact it comes from Sony.

So I may be forced to buy yet another "hopefully last" mirrorslapper. Canon 5D III or Nikon D810 being the only candidates. 1D-X/D4s not needed and way too much money, 6D/D610/D750 too crippled. Did not sell my EF 70-200 II yet, but would need to buy 16-35/4 and 24-70/2.8 II ... which is more money than I really want to sink into a soon obsolete mirrored camera system just for use until "my" FF MILC system finally arrives (1 year? 2 yaers?). I would not mind spending 10k on a "really right", totally compelling FF mirrorless system + some good native lenses. But ... not quite here yet.

 

[tayassu]

It simply looks like a great camera for wildlife/sports for the money!
It is very hard to decide for me now... 7DII or Sigma 150-600 (don't know which one yet )

 

[RickWagoner]

It simply looks like a great camera for wildlife/sports for the money!
It is very hard to decide for me now... 7DII or Sigma 150-600 (don't know which one yet )

The sigma won't be as sharp as a 400mm 5.6 cropped to match and if it is then i will poop a brick!

 

[tayassu]

It simply looks like a great camera for wildlife/sports for the money!
It is very hard to decide for me now... 7DII or Sigma 150-600 (don't know which one yet )

The sigma won't be as sharp as a 400mm 5.6 cropped to match and if it is then i will poop a brick!

For 2100€ and a 20 years newer design it better be! And it has OS

 

[scyrene]

I actually don't really care anymore, because lately I've been looking at the mirrorless options from Fuji (X-T1) and Sony (A7). But I'm expecting the same, rather poor dynamic range at low ISO for the 7DII which we, Canon users, all know too well.

Yawn. If this is an action camera, as most suggest, then low-ISO DR is way down the list of what's important. Landscape photographers should look elsewhere.

And what about action photographers? Is limited DR ok for them? Is the 2+ stops DR improvement achieved by the A7s irrelevant? It isn't just a low ISO game anymore. DR has been improved across the board, top to bottom, high to low, in Sony's sensors. Canon no longer has the lead at high ISO. The lead they once enjoyed was marginal at best as well. At high ISO, it isn't even so much about "recovery"...your still generally 'limited' (using the word very loosely) to about 9 stops on an A7s at ISO 51200, which is largely going to fit within the dynamic range of modern screens. The major difference with the A7s is the massive increase to SNR...it's about double or so compared to even the vaunted 1D X, on top of the huge DR increase (6.6 stops 1D X, 8.8 stops A7s, at ISO 51200). THAT is HUGE for high ISO IQ. Massively huge. It means a literal one-stop or greater improvement in noise, which I didn't even think was possible (and I still don't know how they did it....other than the fact that their sensor just seems to suck up light like it was candy.)

It being lower on the list than, say, AF points/speed/accuracy doesn't mean DR isn't important. However I haven't found DR lacking at higher ISO on the 5D3. Better quality is always welcome, but will it have much practical impact on our work? You've got a bee in your bonnet about this now.

 

[tron]

who cares about the 7D MK2.... what about the 5D MK IV? ;D

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[Loswr]

You've got a bee in your bonnet about this now.

Specifically, a male honey bee.

 

[exactopposite]

I currently shoot with a 7d and I'm happy with the specs. The incremental update makes sense to me because there is nothing I would want to drastically change about the 7d. I have some 70d raw files form someone who assisted me at a wedding and they are definitely cleaner at high iso than the 7d, so if it's the same sensor that's fine with me.

Essentially, according to the specs at least, the 7d2 improves everything I wanted improved about the 7d. it has GPS, lower high iso noise, more AF points, and it doesn't have one of those swivel screens. I will probably buy one in the spring since right now my backup camera is a rebel.

 

[tomscott]

I think the fact not one person has ticked the "I'm over-the-moon with the spec list. This is beyond my expectations."

Speaks volumes

 

[EOS AE1]

Sad.... for action shooter it´s great all others think "MEH".

 

[Leejo]

I am missing the option to wait.
"I am not sure. I'll make up my mind when I see the reviews."
Why - I own a 7D and although seeing improvements elsewhere, I can't really complain.
If the sensor is better than simply the 70D sensor, and with the improved AF etc. I would seriously consider.
Seeing as no one really knows what the sensor is going to do - I don't see any reasons for the negative responses there.
It would certainly be cheaper than upgrading to FF - as I would Need a 5D III or IV
as I would also need to add (/upgrade) a few lenses (I would still keep the 7D)