How does the reveal of the final 7D2 specs make you feel?

[Leejo]

Addendum -
I was hoping for a 4K compatible sensor - even though I wouldn't use it.
I was hoping for WiFi - but except for some triggering applications wouldn't use it.
(guess it must be a more expensive add on)
A better sensor (low light, less noise/banding) is my first priority, maintaining the build quality next.
A flip Screen would have been nice if it could have been built robustly - I would however rather the
robustness instead of the Screen.
Improved AF is good, GPS nice. Better fps a sweetner.
Glad they are adding intervalometer, and better battery - simply as a sign that things will be improved.

The question is how long will it take for Magic Lantern to run on dual DIGIC 6 ?!
The 7D development is taking along time to reach the next stable Version.
If there is too Little love for the 7D II this could also take more than a while!!

 

[Marsu42]

The question is how long will it take for Magic Lantern to run on dual DIGIC 6 ?!

My usual estimation is one year from the time a competent ML dev has the camera and puts a lot of time into it, of course for free. Which might not happen at all. Look at the 70d thread in the ML forum: Even with a sponsored 70d, there is little progress. Bottom line: If you want ML, get a camera that runs it right now.

The 7D development is taking along time to reach the next stable Version.

There will be no more stable labeled stable, ML is now a rolling release - nightly is the "new stable".

 

[Coldhands]

I think the fact not one person has ticked the "I'm over-the-moon with the spec list. This is beyond my expectations."

Speaks volumes

I disagree - I think it says nothing at all. Considering most people on this forum are serious photo enthusiasts, it's unlikely that anyone will be totally blown away by a spec-list. We all know that the numbers are not necessarily an indication of performance. Besides, how could one be surprised when detailed specs leaked several weeks ago, with nearly perfect accuracy?

As an aside, I can't think of a single time that a camera's spec list (Canon or otherwise) really amazed me. For example, even when the D800 was announced with its headline-grabbing 36 MP sensor, I thought, "that should be great for landscape and studio work, but the burst-rate seems slow and I sure wouldn't want to deal with those huge raw files." Similar scepticism vis-a-vis the much-hyped Sony A7 cameras.

 

[mackguyver]

I think the fact not one person has ticked the "I'm over-the-moon with the spec list. This is beyond my expectations."

Speaks volumes

I disagree - I think it says nothing at all. Considering most people on this forum are serious photo enthusiasts, it's unlikely that anyone will be totally blown away by a spec-list. We all know that the numbers are not necessarily an indication of performance. Besides, how could one be surprised when detailed specs leaked several weeks ago, with nearly perfect accuracy?

Very true and after such a long wait nothing short of a 1D X killer would please this crowd

 

[Loswr]

Very true and after such a long wait nothing short of a 1D X killer would please this crowd

Only if it was priced less than the EOS M. :

 

[mackguyver]

Very true and after such a long wait nothing short of a 1D X killer would please this crowd

Only if it was priced less than the EOS M. :

LOL - Nice one!

 

[gary]

"Really is that it" would have been my response but sadly it was not on the list. "I was thinking of buying it but now I will wait" could have been another. I am disappointed with Canon, they seem to have lost their way.

 

[FEBS]

Posted this in another thread, sums up how I feel:

I shoot wildlife/sports/action photography. I use a T2i right now when I'm shooting with a crop. Know why? My glass is all Canon. If it wasn't for that I'd have switched. The 70D offers absolutely no improvement in image quality over the T2i. It's the same flippin sensor, just using new technologies to squeeze a .001% image quality improvement out of it. Now this is coming out with the SAME F'ING SENSOR. The sensor is about 80% of the reason you'd buy a camera, once you choose your subject matter. The 7Dii is going to be a glorified T2i. Same old ancient sensor technology, with a few useless bells & whistles, none of which get down to the root: THEY HAVEN'T MADE A SINGLE INNOVATION IN SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IN YEARS. It's the same mediocre sensor, just rehashed. This is why they're starting to, or will continue to lose market share to other companies. Absolutely insane that it took a half decade to refresh, and it's basically going to be the exact same camera with the exact same sensor, just with a tiiiiny bit extra squeezed out of that sensor. Absolute garbage. I can't tell you how pissed off I am right now.

I hear you, I do. But let me understand the train of thought:

T2i = 18 MP sensor
70D = 20.2 MP sensor (absolutely not the same sensor)

However, at least for noise, I do agree there isn't much difference between the two:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Comparisons/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T2i-550D-Digital-SLR-Camera.aspx

But that's the T2i vs. the 70D. Just because the new 7D2 sensor is 20.2 MP doesn't mean that it's the same one.

Again, we don't know the low light performance of this new sensor. Unless we have confirmation from an interview with a Chuck Westfall that it is in fact the same (not gonna happen) or a teardown that it's the same component (and I'm sure there's more to it than just the sensor itself), we don't know what we're dealing with here. Sensor performance is not something a spec sheet will tell us. So we have to let the Bryan Carnathans of the world shoot the samples with the 7D2 (like the ones I linked) and then we'll know for sure.

But yeah, if I was in the market for a new APS-C body, the name 7D2 alone isn't enough to get my money -- especially based on Canon's APS-C sensor track record. I would want to see reviews, specifically noise information.

- A

I should have clarified, my biggest beef is with noise. I can be standing next to someone shooting a Nikon and they're at IS01600, meanwhile I'm at 200 because even 400 starts to show way too much noise. I'm thinking it's the same sensor (at least tech wise) since it's the EXACT same mp amount. VERY fishy. I guess we'll see

So as an action shooter, you prefer blurred images instead of noisy images? The 7D2 can take the photo of the action, the Nikon crop, perhaps the D300.

 

[NancyP]

"In general I am excited" - provided there is a decent buffer of 30 to 40 RAWs (3 to 4 seconds worth of 10 fps burst), this looks like a good action camera for focal length limited work, for the price cited. For those who are enamored of the Nikon D7100, the RAW buffer is pitiful at about 1 second worth, 6 or so RAW images. The Nikon D300 is as old as the 7D and there is no D400 showing up. There is no other amateur-priced competitor to these AF and burst rate specs. It might not be sufficient for happy 7D users to upgrade, though every 7D owner who has experienced the recent 5D3/1DX AF has commented that the 7D AF is outclassed by newer AF.

 

[Xero]

NO TOUCHSCREEN. OK..... HOW DOES THE DPAF WORK? How do we pick focal points?

Same way you do with most every Canon SLR, I imagine. I doubt each one will be selectable; rather they'll be used to assist tracking (when you wouldn't be selecting anyway).

I made a video... 70d vs 7d MarkII, focusing on video shooting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLX7v3LO25c

 

[ahsanford]

"In general I am excited" - provided there is a decent buffer of 30 to 40 RAWs (3 to 4 seconds worth of 10 fps burst), this looks like a good action camera for focal length limited work, for the price cited. For those who are enamored of the Nikon D7100, the RAW buffer is pitiful at about 1 second worth, 6 or so RAW images. The Nikon D300 is as old as the 7D and there is no D400 showing up. There is no other amateur-priced competitor to these AF and burst rate specs. It might not be sufficient for happy 7D users to upgrade, though every 7D owner who has experienced the recent 5D3/1DX AF has commented that the 7D AF is outclassed by newer AF.

Yep. The buffer is certainly a wildcard as we never get tabulated buffer-size numbers for JPG / RAW / JPG+RAW in a spec list like this.

As much as Canon folks get flogged for their sensors, they often deliver excellent burst rate and large buffer size bodies.

- A

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

"I am neither excited nor disappointed. The specs are, on average, what I was expecting."

throwing my hat in the above voting block. I'm not shooting sports that often, nor do I do wildlife so 10 fps is overkill, and I don't find myself in reach limited situations too much. So, there wasn't too much this body could really do for me.

I do like a few of the little things though ---

built in Intervalometer - not huge but very useful and will most likely be in future body upgrades.

Can sync time between 7D II cameras. --- I really like the idea of this, hope they do it right and again, make this universal to all bodies. i shoot with 2 bodies so better time syncing can save a bunch of time and head ache in post.

Other than that, it's a matter of wait and see how this thing actually performs. Will the sensor have some new characteristics? My guess is yes but to what extent? I mean, this is first and foremost a sports/action camera ---i know car analogies rarely work but --- if you buy a sports a car your not generally going to be too worried about trunk space or a trailer hitch.

 

[EOS AE1]

NO TOUCHSCREEN. OK..... HOW DOES THE DPAF WORK? How do we pick focal points?

Same way you do with most every Canon SLR, I imagine. I doubt each one will be selectable; rather they'll be used to assist tracking (when you wouldn't be selecting anyway).

I made a video... 70d vs 7d MarkII, focusing on video shooting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLX7v3LO25c

a guy with so many stickers on his monitor you have to take serious.

 

[ahsanford]

Wow. Double woohoo. 200 votes in the poll!

- A

 

[3kramd5]

NO TOUCHSCREEN. OK..... HOW DOES THE DPAF WORK? How do we pick focal points?

Same way you do with most every Canon SLR, I imagine. I doubt each one will be selectable; rather they'll be used to assist tracking (when you wouldn't be selecting anyway).

I made a video... 70d vs 7d MarkII, focusing on video shooting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLX7v3LO25c

Ah, for video application I suppose touchscreen would be helpful. 7D2 is clearly not a video-centric camera.

 

[Maiaibing]

who cares about the 7D MK2.... what about the 5D MK IV? ;D

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

+0,1 )

 

[Steve]

Very true and after such a long wait nothing short of a 1D X killer would please this crowd

I'd be stoked if it were a 1DIV killer.

 

[2n10]

I think the fact not one person has ticked the "I'm over-the-moon with the spec list. This is beyond my expectations."

Speaks volumes

But how and why? Are they looking for too much? Are they being pragmatic and waiting for testing? Have their expectations been mostly met?

 

[tcmatthews]

I have moved on.

I now use full frame Canon / Sony Mirror-less for general photography needs. So I am not really interested in DR when it comes to a 7D2. I am in the market for a dedicated crop wildlife camera. So my primary concerns are ISO 3200 performance and price. I would prefer it to be 60D sized but I know I am in the minority with that.

I could care less about touch screens but really miss the 60D adjustable display when using my 6D. So I would like to have seen that feature.

I have been waiting to see if it is a big enough jump over the existing 70D to justify the price difference. Both the 70D and the 7D should meet my focusing needs. I see the ISO specs a general marketing garbage for the most part. I will wait for a review. Then I will make the decision do I keep using my 60D or move to the 70D or 7D. Or rent both to decide.

 

[ahsanford]

I think the fact not one person has ticked the "I'm over-the-moon with the spec list. This is beyond my expectations."

Speaks volumes

But how and why? Are they looking for too much? Are they being pragmatic and waiting for testing? Have their expectations been mostly met?

Partly it's high expectations, but partly it's the reality that Canon cannot hit every variable out of the park. 'Over the moon' would imply that the camera -- top to bottom -- checks off all of your boxes.

Zooming in on this a bit, of maybe 10-12 things that frame up the kind of camera we want, each of us really gives a damn / prioritizes about (I'd guess) 3-5 of those. I'm going to go out on a very sturdy limb and state that if there is one thing that is keeping the 16% of us currently pegged as 'Excited' from saying 'Over the moon' would be the sensor. I'm not necessarily a high MP fan, and I'm not saying that it's a 70D sensor in there, but 20.2 MP hints that it may not be a breakthrough new piece of tech.

(That is wild speculation of course, but I'm guessing that many more readers of this post bobbed their head at the notion I've presented rather than those who scorn the lack of logic and facts behind it. Not my best moment, I admit. Honest, I'm not a troll, 20 year old fanboy or rabble rouser. I'm just sayin.)

As everyone cares about the sensor as a very high (if not highest) priority, hearing/inferring/believing it will be good but not great will limit how fired up people are for this.

A not very brave hypothesis: if the confirmed spec list included, say, a 24-28 MP sensor or even the current 20.2 with a clear addendum of "two to three stops better low light performance than the 7D", the percentage of over-the-mooners would skyrocket. Because everything else on this spec list is pretty solid, save for a meager 2.9% of us who are pining for 4K, Wifi, tilty-screen, touch-screen, etc.

- A