How many of you would....

[BaconBets]

Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

It is conceivable that after the 1Dx is released, Canon could continue selling their APS-H sensor in the smaller form factor of a 7d body, and fill a major void in the market. The pros would flock to the new 1Dx, but perhaps add one of these as a backup. Meanwhile it seems like it would hit the sweet-spot for the prosumer/enthusiast crowd that shoot events, sports and video. Methinks it makes sense.

APS-H (great for video and sports)
7-8 FPS
ISO 12,800 (same as 1d4)
7d AF
7d Body

It would certainly address 80% of the complaints we have....and the hardware is already developed!
The studio/landscaper crowd will have their needs addressed with the upcoming models anyways.
Make sense? Or am I an idiot?

 

[wickidwombat]

Pay $2995 for a 1d4 aps-h sensor in a 7d body?

It is conceivable that after the 1Dx is released, Canon could continue selling their APS-H sensor in the smaller form factor of a 7d body, and fill a major void in the market. The pros would flock to the new 1Dx, but perhaps add one of these as a backup. Meanwhile it seems like it would hit the sweet-spot the prosumer/enthusiast crowd that shoot events, sports and video. Methinks it makes sense.

APS-H (great for video and sports)
7-8 FPS
ISO 12,800 (same as 1d4)
7d AF
7d Body

It would certainly address 80% of the complaints we have....and the hardware is already developed!
The studio/landscaper crowd will have their needs addressed with the upcoming models anyways.
Make sense? Or am I an idiot?

I would buy 1 in a heartbeat!except they may aswell keep the old 1D AF in it
call it a 6D
edit i would probably buy 2

 

[dr croubie]

I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.

 

[BaconBets]

I would buy 1 in a heartbeat!except they may aswell keep the old 1D AF in it
call it a 6D
edit i would probably buy 2

6D was the name I was thinking too.

 

[wickidwombat]

I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.

its the small form factor thats the draw card,

 

[dr croubie]

I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.

its the small form factor thats the draw card,

Or the 1D4 features, AF, fps, f/8 focussing, 7D sensor, in an ungripped 7D body then?

 

[wickidwombat]

I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.

its the small form factor thats the draw card,

Or the 1D4 features, AF, fps, f/8 focussing, 7D sensor, in an ungripped 7D body then?

but the 1D4 APS-H sensor is so much better

 

[dr croubie]

I'd hazard a guess that you'd sell more with an 18MP aps-c 7D sensor in a 1D4-type body, better sealed, better AF (f/8 focussing!), more fps, longer shutter-life, more bracketing, dual card-slots, etc, for the same $3k.

its the small form factor thats the draw card,

Or the 1D4 features, AF, fps, f/8 focussing, 7D sensor, in an ungripped 7D body then?

but the 1D4 APS-H sensor is so much better

Yeah, it is, true. Methinks we need to put this to a vote:
18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 1D4 gripped body, well sealed, 45pt AF with f/8, long-life shutter, 10fps and buffer to match, dual cardslots, 7-shot bracketing
18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 7D-sized ungripped body, the rest as above.
16MP 1D4 aps-h sensor, 7D-sized & sealed body, 19pt af, no f/8, normal shutter life, 8fps and buffer, single cardslot and 3-shot bracket.

If all were the same price and they were the choices?
hmmm, maybe I'd have considered the third option instead of buying the 7D at the time I did. But as it stands as a 7D owner now, the first or second i'd consider now as upgrades to my 7D (if I'm going to upgrade sensors and lose ef-s capability, i'm just going to go straight to FF for landscapes and keep the 7D for birds)

can we make this into a poll?

 

[AprilForever]

1. The 7D already has 8fps
2. The 7D already expands to 12800 ISO
3. The 7D's major draw: The 1.6x crop factor
4. The 7D's next major draw: 18 MP

The ASP-C is the poor man's teleconverter; loss of the 1.6x crop would make all my lenses shorter. Further compounding this problem would be the loss of resolution; unless they significantly increased the megapixel count, my crops would be weakened mightily. I use my 7D largely for bird photography; a 7Dmk II ASP-H would really not work as well for this. Further compounding the problem would be that my ef-s lenses would not work. And, yes, I have several...

However, what Dr. Croubie mentioned:

18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 1D4 gripped body, well sealed, 45pt AF with f/8, long-life shutter, 10fps and buffer to match, dual cardslots, 7-shot bracketing

I would totally buy one of these...

 

[handsomerob]

Yeah, it is, true. Methinks we need to put this to a vote:
18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 1D4 gripped body, well sealed, 45pt AF with f/8, long-life shutter, 10fps and buffer to match, dual cardslots, 7-shot bracketing
18MP 7D aps-c sensor, 7D-sized ungripped body, the rest as above.
16MP 1D4 aps-h sensor, 7D-sized & sealed body, 19pt af, no f/8, normal shutter life, 8fps and buffer, single cardslot and 3-shot bracket.

If all were the same price and they were the choices?

If all were the same price;

1st camera is basicaly an APS-C 1DIV. Wildlife/day time sports shooters would LOVE this camera.

2nd one would be too expensive compared to the 1st one since it's the same camera but you don't get a grip with it and yet pay the same price. The 1st one would also have a much better battery, thanks to that integrated grip. So this camera would make the least sense of the 3 options.

3rd one is basicaly an APS-H 7D. Could become popular among low-light sports shooters who can't afford a 1Dx. But for the same price, many would go for the 1st one. It offers better AF, faster shooting, dual cards, grip and better battery = better value IMO.

So the question is; do you want an APS-C 1DIV or an APS-H 7D?

I would definitely go for an APS-C 1DIV.

 

[briansquibb]

Howabout a 1D4 with single Digi5 and 8fps? Coming in at about $4000

 

[smirkypants]

With the technological advances of the last several years, I think Canon could easily build AP-H quality into an AP-C chip. I think this is what most of us want in the 7D2 anyway. Every one of my colleagues says the same thing: I love the 1.6 crop of the 7D but I need the IQ of the 1D4, and I say that too. I shoot the 1D4 at "important" events or when the skies are gray, but use the 7D when conditions are perfect and I am shooting for less important clients. Gotta save those shutter actuations....

So no, I would prefer a better AP-C for sports and an FF for the social photos. The AP-H going forward seems rather pointless to me.

 

[briansquibb]

So no, I would prefer a better AP-C for sports and an FF for the social photos. The AP-H going forward seems rather pointless to me.

I couldn't live with the messy bokeh that APS-C cameras give. That is not the sensor but the optics - neuro has explained this many times.

 

[AprilForever]

An ASP-C 1D4 would be great....

But an ASP-H 7D would be... unthinkable... unconscionable... unacceptable.

 

[JR]

I would be very interested to get one, although for me I suspect the 1DX will be more than I can handle so I should be content with it for a whie! What I like about your suggestion though is the use the APS-H sensor instead of the APS-C. I like this idea for a 7D replacement or a new 1 series model. Probably an expensive solution for Canon though to keep this sensor around, but very interesting indeed!

 

[smirkypants]

I couldn't live with the messy bokeh that APS-C cameras give. That is not the sensor but the optics - neuro has explained this many times.

The bokehs on a 7D with a 300/2.8, 400/2.8 or 500/4 are anything but messy. The photos are practically as lush and gorgeous in the real world. They aren't as quite as good as the 1D4, but it's really quite unfair to say they are uniformly messy. Besides, my biggest problem with bokeh isn't from the lens or the sensor, it's from the shimmer from the heat, humidity and the harsh light that you get at 100+ yards. Even if you're shooting full frame with a 400/2.8, environmental conditions often kill good bokeh at that distance.

 

[briansquibb]

An ASP-C 1D4 would be great....

But an ASP-H 7D would be... unthinkable... unconscionable... unacceptable.

Why? People love the 1D4 so a cut down body might be even better for normal use?

 

[BaconBets]

1. The 7D already has 8fps
2. The 7D already expands to 12800 ISO
3. The 7D's major draw: The 1.6x crop factor
4. The 7D's next major draw: 18 MP

Whoa....slow down!!! It may be possible to expand the 7d to ISO 12800, but please, please, please do not try to equate the 7d at 12800 to the 1d4 APS-H at 12800. The 1d4 sensor has 12800 as a regular ISO setting and is expandable to 102K. The 1d4 image quality will blow the doors off the 7d at 12800.
(and 6400, 3200, 1600, etc)

When I posed the question, it was really because Canon simply does not offer a regular form factor DSLR body that has high image quality and good handling (decent AF, fps, etc.). Many of us would like a camera with high end imaging and well rounded handling that is not the size of a steering wheel. I personally don't need 12fps and sports illustrated AF, but I don't want a camera that has been knee-capped.

 

[BaconBets]

I would be very interested to get one, although for me I suspect the 1DX will be more than I can handle so I should be content with it for a whie! What I like about your suggestion though is the use the APS-H sensor instead of the APS-C. I like this idea for a 7D replacement or a new 1 series model. Probably an expensive solution for Canon though to keep this sensor around, but very interesting indeed!

I don't see why it would be expensive for Canon, as there would be no new R&D and it is already in production. I would think there would actually be a huge cost savings for them to recycle an existing product that there would still be heavy consumer demand for.

 

[KeithR]

The 1d4 image quality will blow the doors off the 7d at 12800.

OK - show me a 12800 ISO shot from the Mk IV that "blows the doors off" this from my 7D (click on it - the forum software resizes it):

I imagine I'll be waiting a while...

Canon simply does not offer a regular form factor DSLR body that has high image quality and good handling (decent AF, fps, etc.)

Oh, please - what a bloody stupid thing to say.