Leica Announces SL Type 601 Mirrorless Camera
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It's as big as its price tag!
I'm lost, I just do t get it...at least the neighbours will see the red dot. haha
I'm lost, I just do t get it...at least the neighbours will see the red dot. haha
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Beauty is only skin deep. I'm looking forward to seeing the performance of this camera with the APO-Vario-Elmarit-SL 90–280mm f/2.8–4. That is one honkin lens with a MFD of less than a meter. I guess it's meant to compete with the new 100-400. I hope Roger can afford to tear one of these apart and give us the lowdown on weather sealing, etc...
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brad-man said:
Leica glass made for first-party Leica cameras isn't meant to compete with anything -- it's been offered to give Leica shooters a new focal length, that's all. I don't think they'd lose a wink of sleep on their bed of gold coins if some other 70-200 or 100-400 outperforms it.
This camera does not have a traditional value proposition in comparison to competitive alternatives at least as far as I can tell. It's almost an Apple-like sales approach -- "You could buy a non-Apple (take your pick: wifi-router, phone, tablet, etc.) but since you own so much of our stuff, you should buy ours. We're the devil you know, and we've never ever ever let you down."
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ahsanford said:
I know some high-end wedding/event/corporate photographers who use Leica, and some who use Leica glass on Canon bodies. This would suit them just fine. If you are already carrying 3 M's, then 2 M's and an SL could work.
Anybody who's been struggling with adapted R glass would also be interested. I'm sure that Leica's R adapter will be way better than a 3rd-party R-to-EOS adapter.
No point saying that 90% of buyers will be amateurs. That's true of the 1Dx and "pro" Nikons as well. For every hard-working pro, there's 10 amateurs who enjoy owning the best equipment. Even the most expensive photo gear is cheaper than a kitchen reno, or a week at a 5 star resort, or even seats in first class flight for the family. I can't blame anyone for wanting to own the finest tools in their favorite hobby, I've been there myself.
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I was one who eagerly anticipated the arrival of this camera. I used to own an M-4 many years ago and loved it. I sold it because I need an SLR and it couldn't do the job I needed at the time.
I have always had a high regard for Leica and have lamented their missteps but celebrated their willingness to try something that may not pan out.
The churlishness that greets their latest effort by some seems to miss the point.
Yes it is expensive.
Just as some cars are very expensive. Like a less expensive car, a less expensive camera will still get the result that (most likely) will be indistinguishable from the expensive alternative.
But expensive goods exist because there are customers for them who enjoy the difference they offer. This is a pleasure some can afford. I can't afford it but I am happy it is there to learn from.
I won't own the vast majority of cameras I read about, but I sure get pleasure from them nonetheless.
I am happy for the Leica's of the world who give us something other than another committee generated DSLR.
I do wish they introduced a line of leaf shutter lenses though. :/
I have always had a high regard for Leica and have lamented their missteps but celebrated their willingness to try something that may not pan out.
The churlishness that greets their latest effort by some seems to miss the point.
Yes it is expensive.
Just as some cars are very expensive. Like a less expensive car, a less expensive camera will still get the result that (most likely) will be indistinguishable from the expensive alternative.
But expensive goods exist because there are customers for them who enjoy the difference they offer. This is a pleasure some can afford. I can't afford it but I am happy it is there to learn from.
I won't own the vast majority of cameras I read about, but I sure get pleasure from them nonetheless.
I am happy for the Leica's of the world who give us something other than another committee generated DSLR.
I do wish they introduced a line of leaf shutter lenses though. :/
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I can certainly see the reason for Leica going with a mirrorless mount with very small flange distance in order to make M mount lenses adaptable BUT I would say this SL system does really call into question the need for it with a FF system.
Sony have as much as possible looked to beat around the bush about lens size but you look at this Leica system and honestly would it make any difference if the camera had 2.5 cm extra flange distance? most of that likely saved by shorter lenses.
Playing into what I'v thought for awhile that really having an EOS/F mount that removes the mirror would actually give you most of the advantage of mirrorless on FF in terms of size saving via removing the larger prism.
Sony have as much as possible looked to beat around the bush about lens size but you look at this Leica system and honestly would it make any difference if the camera had 2.5 cm extra flange distance? most of that likely saved by shorter lenses.
Playing into what I'v thought for awhile that really having an EOS/F mount that removes the mirror would actually give you most of the advantage of mirrorless on FF in terms of size saving via removing the larger prism.
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It will be interesting to see, if or to what extent this poses a challenge to Canon. Will they take the mirrorless issue seriously or will they fob us off with something clearly inferior? Don’t get me wrong, you can’t or shouldn’t imitate Leica but there is undoubtedly a dynamics of change. Let’s see.
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I have noticed the following:
1. no aperture ring on lens - strange omission from such a traditional company
2. Joystick ala Canon seems to be a great idea - wish all Canons had that feature especially M3
3. I just dont know if the minimalism will work on a camera aimed at pros (although probably more amateurs can afford it and therefore will buy it - than pros) I think this camera has too much design over practicality, ther eis a reason why Canon (&Nikon) dslrs look the way they do
4. The rear dial makes sense ergonomically speaking but the top dial strangely seems out of place
5. The hump on left side of the top plate must be for the *** and wifi - hopefully Canon can adopt it so that all future dslr's can have those features too - and still retain metallic bodies
6. Even Leica cant design a small AF zoom!
7. Big body makes sense with big lenses - my M3 really doesn't handle well with my 70-300L zoom
8. Maybe the new trend will be that mirrorless is not just about being 'small' but should also be practical, which I think the new SL body is for what its aiming to be
9. It sucks that a 'small' company like Leica and with relatively little experience in mirrorless, can design and manufacture a camera with such nice features and 'reportedly' such fast AF - c'mon Canon if they can do it why not you?
10.Leica's are still are out of reach of almost all but the most wealthy - but they sure are nice to look and read about...just like exotic cars and watches...
11. My bet is that they will be the first to bring out a medium format 'mirrorless' camera especially if this sells well.
1. no aperture ring on lens - strange omission from such a traditional company
2. Joystick ala Canon seems to be a great idea - wish all Canons had that feature especially M3
3. I just dont know if the minimalism will work on a camera aimed at pros (although probably more amateurs can afford it and therefore will buy it - than pros) I think this camera has too much design over practicality, ther eis a reason why Canon (&Nikon) dslrs look the way they do
4. The rear dial makes sense ergonomically speaking but the top dial strangely seems out of place
5. The hump on left side of the top plate must be for the *** and wifi - hopefully Canon can adopt it so that all future dslr's can have those features too - and still retain metallic bodies
6. Even Leica cant design a small AF zoom!
7. Big body makes sense with big lenses - my M3 really doesn't handle well with my 70-300L zoom
8. Maybe the new trend will be that mirrorless is not just about being 'small' but should also be practical, which I think the new SL body is for what its aiming to be
9. It sucks that a 'small' company like Leica and with relatively little experience in mirrorless, can design and manufacture a camera with such nice features and 'reportedly' such fast AF - c'mon Canon if they can do it why not you?
10.Leica's are still are out of reach of almost all but the most wealthy - but they sure are nice to look and read about...just like exotic cars and watches...
11. My bet is that they will be the first to bring out a medium format 'mirrorless' camera especially if this sells well.
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Ivan Muller said:
I would have already ordered a Leica SL if they equipped it with the same sensor as the S (30 x 45 mm). That would be awesome: a camera that can use medium format lenses at 40 megapixels, or full frame lenses at 24 megapixels, or shoot 4K in Super35 format (while fully accommodating PL-mount lenses). "One ring to rule them all."
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gdanmitchell
When in doubt, doubt.
I'm sure that the new Leica is a solid piece of camera equipment, and I'm sure that a number of Leicaphiles will pick one up. That said, even (perhaps "especially") those described in this and other posts as "professionals" are going to wonder about the scarcity of clothing on the emperor, especially at a price that is several times that (for the body alone!) of competing cameras that perform admirably for serious and/or "professional" photography. While some folks imagine that "professional" photographers will throw money at any gear, no matter the cost, the reality is quite different — most professional photographers watch their bottom lines and consider the value that a product provides. It is very, very difficult to see a valid value proposition in this system.
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I wish Canon would release a mirror-less like this... I didn't buy a a7rII for its size, I bought it for its features... (I actually wise for many reasons it was larger... I would be excited if Canon did a full frame mirror-less even if it was 5D sized for the benefits mirror-less has. But I am guessing most people dont agree or people aside from Leica would be building large mirror-less cameras.
I can hope....
I can hope....
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