clicstudio said:
multiple sensors? around $20K up.
It will only be available for those who really gets a lot of money through photography or those very rich pampered guys. Well, we can dream...
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multiple sensors? around $20K up.
It will only be available for those who really gets a lot of money through photography or those very rich pampered guys. Well, we can dream...
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clicstudio said:
Check out the patent I linked previously... if they have developed this to production, it may be the single sensor solution to your wishes. Lots of 16b ADCs and pixel-level exposure control might get the 15-stop DR you are dreaming of. Oh well, nice to dream about anyway
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=20100141792.PGNR.
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pasghik said:
For my use, their 10-24 performs horribly and they have nothing like the 17-55 f/2.8 IS and 70-200 f/4 IS. Their 16-35 f/4 and 24-120 f/4 perform similarly to the Canon counterparts. Besides, I have too many other Canon accessories... need to consider more carefully...
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dougri said:clicstudio said:
Check out the patent I linked previously... if they have developed this to production, it may be the single sensor solution to your wishes. Lots of 16b ADCs and pixel-level exposure control might get the 15-stop DR you are dreaming of. Oh well, nice to dream about anyway
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=20100141792.PGNR.
You are basically correct. There's only one sensor and pixel level control on exposure time and something like a mini HDR being done on per pixel level.
"5. The image capturing apparatus according to claim 4, wherein the exposure amount map generation unit is configured to set at least one of two types of exposure time to each of the plurality of pixels. "
Wow! This means an additional processor just for controlling and computing the exposure time on a per pixel basis. So the more pixels, the more processing time and the more processing time, the more heat generated by the camera... I hope they do develop a good way of releasing those heat since I am thinking that this technology will generate more heat than whatever the present Canon cameras are generating. I think this is the primary reason why Canon is already stating that this camera will be a DR monster but at the same time may not be able to operate efficiently at high ISOs. Don't you think this is also the primary reason why Canon was not able to implement it with 5D3, 1DX and 6D since the technology may have been available since 2009? They don't want to sacrifice the HIGH ISOs vs better DR.
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neuroanatomist said:
So, do you think if Canon has given up completely on high pixel cameras? Or are you saying we should only expect something like that much later...? An early pre-announcement with much later release seems to be Canon's strategy lately... ;D
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Personally I never even considered TS. So for me it is not a problem. BTW, Samyang has made 24 TS.Ricku said:
That must be good.
Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm 1:2,8G IF-ED not IS, but still.Woody said:
I am not pro in nikon lenses, but for wide angle there is excellent Tokina 11-16.
I also have other Canon accessories, and I am considering more carefull.
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Woody said:
Well, Canon can't sleep that long.
It might feel that they're ignoring the threats but behind the scene, they are busy pressuring their engineers to deliver a better body. It's always about money and money will drive Canon's strategy. They're a big company with lots of managers with lots of experience. Money will always be the driving factor for these companies.
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This is exciting and depressing all the same, because exciting that it could be what we all have wish for but with a price tag we don't, Canon annoy me because anything they do that means effort they charge mega dollars for it, the D800 is so reasonably priced, I cant see Canon ever producing a D800 beater for around the same price bracket, also I cant see Canon ever developing a camera in the 3D 4D range, it would kill sales of the 1D Line, expect it to be a 1Dx S or as mentioned an all new name and that of course the same pricing as the 1D Line.
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verysimplejason said:clicstudio said:
multiple sensors? around $20K up.
Have a single sensor, but with a mask that drops a few stops on every other pixel, i.e. they've got sunglasses on. Combine the pixels and off you go. It would just drop the resolution of your sensor by 1/2, so if you combine it with a higher pixel sensor overall (46mp), then you'd stay par with today with increased DR. I should patent that idea (probably already been done)
And the whiners won't complain about file sizes being too big
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FunPhotons said:verysimplejason said:clicstudio said:
multiple sensors? around $20K up.
Have a single sensor, but with a mask that drops a few stops on every other pixel, i.e. they've got sunglasses on. Combine the pixels and off you go. It would just drop the resolution of your sensor by 1/2, so if you combine it with a higher pixel sensor overall (46mp), then you'd stay par with today with increased DR. I should patent that idea (probably already been done)
Fuji has built sensors with alternating larger and smaller pixels for higher dynamic range.
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Ok some thoughts.
Studio cameras do not need high dynamic range, landscape/industrial and other professional applications do. Wedding photographers do... but hey they are 6D clients...
Question, how big a sensor can they fit in the EOS mount and get coverage from at least 5 lenses? Canon has been releasing quite a few new lenses and i'm guessing they are for a HR camera... but are they also for a bigger sensor say 40x30mm? certainly the shift/tilts will.... what about the 24 and 28 just released...? That would justify a 'medium format' type quality and price.... and name change... or it could just be a new mount... and new lenses... not 35mm at all? Pentax does... Leica admitted it can't get MF quality from 35mm sensors....
(No one so far has asked if the 6D has a significantly better dynamic range in any of the videos i can access in China.)
Studio cameras do not need high dynamic range, landscape/industrial and other professional applications do. Wedding photographers do... but hey they are 6D clients...
Question, how big a sensor can they fit in the EOS mount and get coverage from at least 5 lenses? Canon has been releasing quite a few new lenses and i'm guessing they are for a HR camera... but are they also for a bigger sensor say 40x30mm? certainly the shift/tilts will.... what about the 24 and 28 just released...? That would justify a 'medium format' type quality and price.... and name change... or it could just be a new mount... and new lenses... not 35mm at all? Pentax does... Leica admitted it can't get MF quality from 35mm sensors....
(No one so far has asked if the 6D has a significantly better dynamic range in any of the videos i can access in China.)
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it all sounds like the same old fan based rumor both camps are famous for. whenever one side does something the other spews rumors of the next big thing that is better than the other's.
sure a big MP body is coming. not just from canon, but from Nikon as well as the D4X will be due next year. It is where the industry is going so those 20 or so megapixels are now "low resolution".
if you don't agree, you don't have to. but consider that even if every glass on the market is out-resolved by an 80MP body, the benefits are still there as it makes the effects of the bayer pattern less evident thanks to the oversampling. we have all seen this in the spectacular image quality the D800 delivers when compared to the 5DmkIII at equivalent sizes as well as in the Nokia 41MP cell phone camera. Now scale up the 24MP APSC sensors from Nikon/Sony and you end up with a 50+MP body which surely is next.
the days of ISO performance being the key marketing driving term are over now that every DSLR is good enough for nearly all light conditions except the niche extreme market of dark closet photography. oversampling and dynamic range is the new frontier so get used to it.
sure a big MP body is coming. not just from canon, but from Nikon as well as the D4X will be due next year. It is where the industry is going so those 20 or so megapixels are now "low resolution".
if you don't agree, you don't have to. but consider that even if every glass on the market is out-resolved by an 80MP body, the benefits are still there as it makes the effects of the bayer pattern less evident thanks to the oversampling. we have all seen this in the spectacular image quality the D800 delivers when compared to the 5DmkIII at equivalent sizes as well as in the Nokia 41MP cell phone camera. Now scale up the 24MP APSC sensors from Nikon/Sony and you end up with a 50+MP body which surely is next.
the days of ISO performance being the key marketing driving term are over now that every DSLR is good enough for nearly all light conditions except the niche extreme market of dark closet photography. oversampling and dynamic range is the new frontier so get used to it.
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garrie said:
You have a 43mm hole. You need a sensor that is visible through that hole. If the corners of the sensor are outside that 43mm circle they are not illuminated and therefore not much good....
a 36x24 rectangle just barely fits in that circle. To go for a square sensor, it would not be 36x36 as some people seem to think, it would be a 30x30 square. A 36x24 sensor is 864 square millimeters, a 30x30 sensor is 900 square millimeters, not a whole lot of improvement in area but at the cost of abandoning conventional aspect ratios. Besides, is there really a use for square images? Monitors, magazines, billboards, printers, etc all seem to using rectangular images most of the time.... going square will probably result is LESS usefull pixels.
In short... it is really really really really doubtful that you will see a square sensor... even if they were to create a new mount and new lenses for that mount, the above logic holds.
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pasghik said:
The Nikon 135mm f/2.0 D DC is the best 135mm available from anyone!! If you like 135mm lenses, this is all the reason you need to switch to Nikon. Check-out these photos made with the Nikon 135mm f/2.0D DC http://www.pixel-peeper.com/lenses/?lens=129 Lots of creamy bokeh on display.
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c.d.embrey said:
It's the best 135mm lens for those who's favorite color in the world is magenta, at any rate. Personally, I love CA when it stands for California, but I'm not a big fan of the optical variety, and the Nikon 135/2 has it in spades (purple-fringed spades, that is...).
Here's a comparison of the Canon 135L vs. Nikon 135/2. If I wanted that much CA, I'd shoot chrome with the Canon 85/1.8 wide open.
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