NEW CAMERA - EOS 80D?

[Tugela]

The 50D turned into the 60D, which was described as the "Super Rebel" as build quality and size decreased. The camera was a bit of a bust and the 70D corrected that by moving upmarket.

I suspect Canon is moving the Rebel back into that "Super Rebel" slot.

A part of me is wondering if the xxD line is nearing its end.

They can't move the 80D past the 70D because then they would have a better camera than the 7D2.

As I pointed out before, this is going to be a slightly modified version of the 70D with compatibility for the CS100 built in, since the current 70D doesn't have that function. We can expect new versions of the lower DSLRs to appear sometime in 2015 with those functions included as well.

If they had made the 7D2 into the camera it should have been, there would have been ample room to improve the 70D in a new model. Unfortunately the did not, so I think all this new camera will be is a repackaged 70D with a new gimmick.

 

[jasny]

As I pointed out before, this is going to be a slightly modified version of the 70D with compatibility for the CS100 built in, since the current 70D doesn't have that function.

No, it is a new Rebel.

 

[Prador]

Long time lurker finally registering ;D

If I was forced to put money on it I would say a 700D replacement.

The picture showing the left side of the body has the flap for the remote shutter/mic jack in the same position as the 700D. There just seems to be more similarities (button placement and function etc) with the Rebel line than the xxD range.

Might be me being a bit thick but would this CS100 be compatible with any Canon camera with a NFC enabled memory card?

 

[tcmatthews]

CanonWatch has a CW3 rumor that there will be a camera released between the upcoming Rebel 750 and the 70D. With a comment about it being the Camera in the video. http://www.canonwatch.com/canon-set-announce-new-dslr-eos-750d-70d-cw3/

 

[kphoto99]

As I pointed out before, this is going to be a slightly modified version of the 70D with compatibility for the CS100 built in, since the current 70D doesn't have that function.

No, it is a new Rebel.

Go to the Camera Size website: http://camerasize.com/compare/#533,469 and look at the backs of the 70D and T5 (or T5i).
The camera in the video looks almost identical to 70D and not like a Rebel.

The other possible answer can be found in the comments at PetaPixes site, somebody claiming they work for Canon wrote:

Kurt • 4 days ago
sorry guys im from canon germany and have to tell you that is just a prototype with NFC.
it´s basically a mockup not a real camera.

 

[Maximilian]

The other possible answer can be found in the comments at PetaPixes site, somebody claiming they work for Canon wrote:

Kurt • 4 days ago
sorry guys im from canon germany and have to tell you that is just a prototype with NFC.
it´s basically a mockup not a real camera.

Yes of course : : :
Canon will make a new body housing design in this finish just for a mockup. With this statement the source "Kurt" should be rated [CR0].
Maybe this specific camera body in the video was a mockup, but they made a new body design to use it and will only discard it if they design something better.

 

[Khufu]

As I pointed out before, this is going to be a slightly modified version of the 70D with compatibility for the CS100 built in, since the current 70D doesn't have that function.

No, it is a new Rebel.

Go to the Camera Size website: http://camerasize.com/compare/#533,469 and look at the backs of the 70D and T5 (or T5i).
The camera in the video looks almost identical to 70D and not like a Rebel.

The other possible answer can be found in the comments at PetaPixes site, somebody claiming they work for Canon wrote:

Kurt • 4 days ago
sorry guys im from canon germany and have to tell you that is just a prototype with NFC.
it´s basically a mockup not a real camera.

or pick up a 70D, feel how your thumb, from base to tip, fits the body of the camera, look at these pictures and notice there's around 1cm of camera missing from the grip side, the buttons don't sit right and the ergonomics don't make sense when someone tries to tell you you're looking at a picture of a new XXD series camera...

Again, I've seen no reason to believe anyone claiming it's "almost identical to the 70D" has actually handled a 70D nor a 60D. This is simply not a XXD calibre camera...

 

[slclick]

The other possible answer can be found in the comments at PetaPixes site, somebody claiming they work for Canon wrote:

Kurt • 4 days ago
sorry guys im from canon germany and have to tell you that is just a prototype with NFC.
it´s basically a mockup not a real camera.

Yes of course : : :
Canon will make a new body housing design in this finish just for a mockup. With this statement the source "Kurt" should be rated [CR0].
Maybe this specific camera body in the video was a mockup, but they made a new body design to use it and will only discard it if they design something better.

I am sure Canon has many alternative body layout prototypes laying around. Why is this so inconceivable? No, I don't need a tooling lecture...

 

[Khufu]

The other possible answer can be found in the comments at PetaPixes site, somebody claiming they work for Canon wrote:

Kurt • 4 days ago
sorry guys im from canon germany and have to tell you that is just a prototype with NFC.
it´s basically a mockup not a real camera.

Yes of course : : :
Canon will make a new body housing design in this finish just for a mockup. With this statement the source "Kurt" should be rated [CR0].
Maybe this specific camera body in the video was a mockup, but they made a new body design to use it and will only discard it if they design something better.

I am sure Canon has many alternative body layout prototypes laying around. Why is this so inconceivable? No, I don't need a tooling lecture...

It doesn't look hand crafted, polished and painted to me and to set up mechanical production of... oh, wait, you wanted reasoning but request we don't get into the... reasoning? Touché

 

[slclick]

The other possible answer can be found in the comments at PetaPixes site, somebody claiming they work for Canon wrote:

Kurt • 4 days ago
sorry guys im from canon germany and have to tell you that is just a prototype with NFC.
it´s basically a mockup not a real camera.
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Yes of course : : :
Canon will make a new body housing design in this finish just for a mockup. With this statement the source "Kurt" should be rated [CR0].
Maybe this specific camera body in the video was a mockup, but they made a new body design to use it and will only discard it if they design something better.

I am sure Canon has many alternative body layout prototypes laying around. Why is this so inconceivable? No, I don't need a tooling lecture...

It doesn't look hand crafted, polished and painted to me and to set up mechanical production of... oh, wait, you wanted reasoning but request we don't get into the... reasoning? Touché

Touche's don't make you correct, just ask George Costanza

I on the other hand am more than willing to be incorrect. That's how theories work. Canon is HUGE, they could have more laying around than most could imagine.

 

[Maximilian]

The other possible answer can be found in the comments at PetaPixes site, somebody claiming they work for Canon wrote:

Kurt • 4 days ago
sorry guys im from canon germany and have to tell you that is just a prototype with NFC.
it´s basically a mockup not a real camera.

Yes of course : : :
Canon will make a new body housing design in this finish just for a mockup. With this statement the source "Kurt" should be rated [CR0].
Maybe this specific camera body in the video was a mockup, but they made a new body design to use it and will only discard it if they design something better.

I am sure Canon has many alternative body layout prototypes laying around. Why is this so inconceivable? No, I don't need a tooling lecture...

Inconceivable?
No! But also not logical. If you make such a product (CS100), you'll need cameras within short time to work with it. So why not use the new prototype for demo video?

tooling lecture?
No! Just my opinion based on my aguments. I don't give lectures in internet fora. If you call that a lecture, than you make me ???

 

[Tugela]

As I pointed out before, this is going to be a slightly modified version of the 70D with compatibility for the CS100 built in, since the current 70D doesn't have that function.

No, it is a new Rebel.

Go to the Camera Size website: http://camerasize.com/compare/#533,469 and look at the backs of the 70D and T5 (or T5i).
The camera in the video looks almost identical to 70D and not like a Rebel.

The other possible answer can be found in the comments at PetaPixes site, somebody claiming they work for Canon wrote:

Kurt • 4 days ago
sorry guys im from canon germany and have to tell you that is just a prototype with NFC.
it´s basically a mockup not a real camera.

or pick up a 70D, feel how your thumb, from base to tip, fits the body of the camera, look at these pictures and notice there's around 1cm of camera missing from the grip side, the buttons don't sit right and the ergonomics don't make sense when someone tries to tell you you're looking at a picture of a new XXD series camera...

Again, I've seen no reason to believe anyone claiming it's "almost identical to the 70D" has actually handled a 70D nor a 60D. This is simply not a XXD calibre camera...

The 70D is 6mm wider than the 5Ti, not 1cm. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference on a picture set at an angle. Remodeling the outer case does not mean that it is going to be the same size, particularly when you consider that two years on we would expect to see a certain level of miniaturization of internal components happening.

And it is plainly clear that the button setup is identical to the 70D, with one button and a switch apparently removed (they could be relocated somewhere else on the body, or just removed because they were not considered that important). Plus, it has the top LCD which the TXi series don't have. It looks more like a 70D than a T5i.

This camera is going to have the sensor and autofocus abilities of the 70D, but will include a single Digic 6 processor. It will sit slightly under the 7D2 in capabilities, and a lot under in terms of build quality - so it will be a consumer version of the 7D2. At that point the 70D will essentially be obsolete since it will be the same camera with a slightly more advanced processor. The outside of the camera has undergone some minor changes, but it is basically the same controls as the 70D.

 

[kphoto99]

As I pointed out before, this is going to be a slightly modified version of the 70D with compatibility for the CS100 built in, since the current 70D doesn't have that function.

No, it is a new Rebel.

Go to the Camera Size website: http://camerasize.com/compare/#533,469 and look at the backs of the 70D and T5 (or T5i).
The camera in the video looks almost identical to 70D and not like a Rebel.

The other possible answer can be found in the comments at PetaPixes site, somebody claiming they work for Canon wrote:

Kurt • 4 days ago
sorry guys im from canon germany and have to tell you that is just a prototype with NFC.
it´s basically a mockup not a real camera.

or pick up a 70D, feel how your thumb, from base to tip, fits the body of the camera, look at these pictures and notice there's around 1cm of camera missing from the grip side, the buttons don't sit right and the ergonomics don't make sense when someone tries to tell you you're looking at a picture of a new XXD series camera...

Again, I've seen no reason to believe anyone claiming it's "almost identical to the 70D" has actually handled a 70D nor a 60D. This is simply not a XXD calibre camera...

The 70D is 6mm wider than the 5Ti, not 1cm. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference on a picture set at an angle. Remodeling the outer case does not mean that it is going to be the same size, particularly when you consider that two years on we would expect to see a certain level of miniaturization of internal components happening.

And it is plainly clear that the button setup is identical to the 70D, with one button and a switch apparently removed (they could be relocated somewhere else on the body, or just removed because they were not considered that important). Plus, it has the top LCD which the TXi series don't have. It looks more like a 70D than a T5i.

This camera is going to have the sensor and autofocus abilities of the 70D, but will include a single Digic 6 processor. It will sit slightly under the 7D2 in capabilities, and a lot under in terms of build quality - so it will be a consumer version of the 7D2. At that point the 70D will essentially be obsolete since it will be the same camera with a slightly more advanced processor. The outside of the camera has undergone some minor changes, but it is basically the same controls as the 70D.

And it will be called 71D

 

[rambler]

Tugela,

"If they had made the 7D2 into the camera it should have been"


What do you mean by this?

 

[Khufu]

Tugela,

"If they had made the 7D2 into the camera it should have been"


What do you mean by this?

I think it means words just kind of splurge out of him/her - but they're quite consistent in sticking to their guns so lets see how Tugela responds!

If the British slang translates, I think you could consider handing over your username to them

 

[Skirball]

I love going back and reading comments in threads like these after the truth has been revealed.

 

[Prador]

I am rather glad the 70D I recently purchased is not about to be superceded.

The body in the picture screamed Rebel.

Can I put a nfc card in my camera and have the same functionality with this CS100?

 

[Jan]

I love going back and reading comments in threads like these after the truth has been revealed.

+1 ;D
I wonder if the specs of the camera apart from the top LCD and scrollwheel will be exciting as well... Is it a good or a bad sign that we don't know anything about them yet?
The way Canon hypes the 750D by the way it is teasered makes me (whishful) think hope that they will be.

 

[DRR]

I think... everyone's right. Also, everyone's wrong. It's all in how you look at it.

This is clearly an APS-C camera. Size wise it looks similar to an xxD (very similar to current 70D) but feature-wise, it looks more like a xxxD (lack of BB Focus button for example)

I realized that Canon has more APS-C camera lines right now than they realistically need.

EOS-M (Not DSLR so we won't talk about it here)
SL1
T5
T5i (xxxD)
70D (xxD)
7DII

I think, they are moving the xxxD line slightly up-market, and ceasing further development on the xxD line. The 70D is very close to the 7D line and I think they want more separation there. I also predict they merge the T5 line with the SL1 line, as these two lines serve essentially the same market - they want a DSLR but are both size and price sensitive, and are willing to give up features/performance because most of them will just be shot in AUTO most of the time.

From a marketing perspective, I think 2015 APS-C DSLRs looks like this -

SL1 (Older technology, size is the differentiator, mass market SLR that's small)
New xxxD, the T6i - (new tech, mass market, feature focused (wifi, touchscreen, GPS, NFC, etc) )
7DII - Flagship APS-C Pro build quality and features.

SL1 line, >$500 with kit lens.
New xxxD, >$1000 with better kit lens.
7DII, >$1500 body only (will drop in price in 2015)

Just my 2 cents. 8)

 

[moreorless]

Personally I think its been clear for awhile now that the big hole in both Canon and Nikons lineup has been a DSLR the size of there entry level bodies but with the control layout/display of upper end bodies.

My feeling is that a lot of the demand for mirrorless cameras like the E-M1, X-T1 and GH3 has been driven not just by the size saving of droping the mirror but simply because Canon and Nikon weren't targeting higher end users with smaller bodies, everything below Canon xxD and Nikons D7xxx lineups had fairly basic interfaces and build.