New EOS-1 Camera Information [CR1]

[sanj]

I am sure we can expect a very potent sensor in this camera. I believe Canon has been working on this for a long time, but been waiting to release it. I would be very surprised if they came out with just a tiny step on the evolution ladder from a 1DsIII or the 1DX.
I am really looking forward to a really high resolution, high DR body, to complement the 1DX, which I am sure will be my preferred action and low light body also after this new one comes along.

History points us to other direction I think. It has mostly been 'small increments'

 

[sanj]

The 1DX is a GREAT camera. I drooled over it via the youtube video and a Canon rep demo'ing it. I too bought into 'the unification of the 1-series'. It sort of makes sense.

But as a fashion and portrait photographer, I'm more interested in dynamic range vs. speed. And at the end of the day and looking at images, it doesn't offer any improvement over my 5DMKII. I think the 1DX is a big jump for sports/action photographers. But fashion and portrait? Nada.

There are lots like you...

 

[Eldar]

I am sure we can expect a very potent sensor in this camera. I believe Canon has been working on this for a long time, but been waiting to release it. I would be very surprised if they came out with just a tiny step on the evolution ladder from a 1DsIII or the 1DX.
I am really looking forward to a really high resolution, high DR body, to complement the 1DX, which I am sure will be my preferred action and low light body also after this new one comes along.

History points us to other direction I think. It has mostly been 'small increments'

I Think you are right, but I Hope I'm right

 

[Loswr]

I expect the top model of any product to be full-featured, containing everything that's available in any of the lower models. Any departure from that is a serious design failure.

As the Dalai Lama said to the New York hot dog vendor, make me one with everything.

I guess you'll never buy one, then. The 1-series bodies don't include a green square/full auto mode, nor do they have an IR receiver for the RC-# remotes. The lowliest xxxxD has both of those features.

 

[wsmith96]

I don't get this. Is this post saying that they are continuing to split the 1D product line? I thought the 1DX was created to be the camera that could do it all, so wouldn't it make sense to just upgrade the 1DX?

 

[StudentOfLight]

I don't get this. Is this post saying that they are continuing to split the 1D product line? I thought the 1DX was created to be the camera that could do it all, so wouldn't it make sense to just upgrade the 1DX?

In my opinion, the 1Dx was a response to Nikon's professional line of bodies. Up until then Nikon's professional, high-fps cameras were full frame, whereas Canon's offerings were APS-H. Canon's storyline was that they were unifying the 1-series bodies but high-res is desirable for different applications. So the 1Dx is not a true replacement for the 1Ds-III. A true 1Ds-III replacement would have been a Full-frame 6fps, 28-32Mpx body. The 5D-III meets these specs (except for the much talked about Mpx count) and it's obviously also not in a 1-series chassis.

Anyway, my 1Ds-III keeps chugging along and will continue working until its true successor is released... Hopefully that'll be some day soon.

 

[RGF]

Why is it that I'm getting this feeling Canon went out of its way to integrate the Eos 1D and 1Ds series into the 1 DX, and now everything is going back to the D and Ds format again?

I shoot long glass. I often put on a 1.4 on my 600 and occasionally 2x. If I could get a 1D-series body with an APS-H sensor that would reduce the angle of view so that my 600 would appear close to 800 on a full frame camera. I could skip the 1.4. If I could get a 1D-series body with an APS-C sensor that would ... close to 1000mm. WOW. My 200-400 with the 1.4 would be 320-640. Add 1.4 and the long end becomes 900 (or so).

I like the 1D-series body, but want either (1) small sensor or (2) high enough resolution I could crop to 1.3 or 1.6 and still get a great (like I can now) 24x36 print.

 

[RGF]

I expect the top model of any product to be full-featured, containing everything that's available in any of the lower models. Any departure from that is a serious design failure.

As the Dalai Lama said to the New York hot dog vendor, make me one with everything.

I guess you'll never buy one, then. The 1-series bodies don't include a green square/full auto mode, nor do they have an IR receiver for the RC-# remotes. The lowliest xxxxD has both of those features.

You forget automatic HDR-mode from the 5D M3 to mention but one additional feature that the 1Dx does not include.

 

[RGF]

I don't get this. Is this post saying that they are continuing to split the 1D product line? I thought the 1DX was created to be the camera that could do it all, so wouldn't it make sense to just upgrade the 1DX?

Marketing 101. Maximize profits by segmenting the market.

High FPS market
High DR / high MP market
Perhaps even small sensor or high mm (long lens) market

If you have 1 product that it all, it will be a compromise or it will be very expensive.

Think of cars: Porsche 911 vs Ford F150. Very different vehicles which go after different segments of the market

 

[privatebydesign]

I don't get this. Is this post saying that they are continuing to split the 1D product line? I thought the 1DX was created to be the camera that could do it all, so wouldn't it make sense to just upgrade the 1DX?

Marketing 101. Maximize profits by segmenting the market.

High FPS market
High DR / high MP market
Perhaps even small sensor or high mm (long lens) market

If you have 1 product that it all, it will be a compromise or it will be very expensive.

Think of cars: Porsche 911 vs Ford F150. Very different vehicles which go after different segments of the market

It isn't even that, it is that one camera can't do it all. Back in the film days the 1VHS could, it suited pretty much every pro shooting 135 format. It had speed when you wanted it, it had resolution when you wanted it, and it had high iso or large DR when you wanted them. The tech has moved on to the stage where one digital camera can't cover the best of everything, sports and press shooters really don't want 30+MP, they want 12fps and super fast AF, many other pros do want 30+MP and don't give a fig for 12fps.

It seems to me the speed of processing is a bottleneck, you can choose high MP and lower fps, or the other way around. Most that prioritise fps don't prioritise MP, there is such a split in photographers needs that one camera just can't cover all the varied desires.