New EOS M Camera & Lens Make an Appearance

[H. Jones]

15-45mm f/3.5-6.3 seems like just a terrible lens. Limited zoom range AND extremely dim at the "long" end.

Not quite sure what you mean by limited zoom range-- the 15-45mm on 1.6x crop is 24-70mm. Sure, 55mm would have been even better on a crop lens, but I'm good with a 70mm equivalent. Plus, a 24mm equivalent is such an improvement over 29/30mm.

My 24-70mm F/2.8 II is fantastic when I'm arriving on the scene of an emergency a and I'm not sure what to expect. It's been a great focal length for me, and I could totally see myself getting an M3 and a 15-45mm to throw in my glove compartment just in case I find myself in the middle of breaking news and don't have any of my professional gear with me. Sure, f/6.3 is super dark, but I'm confident I could make pictures with it that were much better than my cellphone.

 

[9VIII]

I wonder if it's possible that the 18mp sensor used here actually isn't the older design.
If Canon were to put out a new 18MP sensor that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, and it could even be argued that they should have a 12MP option.

I still want a 50MP APS-C body, but there's room for both.

 

[Haydn1971]

Moan moan moan - what a miserable bunch many of you are !

M10 + 15-45mm lens shows range expansion = good news that Canon has confidence in the EOS-M system, which translates to further products as the months move on - we are currently at a pace of a new lens each year, let's hope that picks up to a couple or three a year over the next few years along with a wider range of Camera products.

Good news in my eyes

 

[Luds34]

I like the name too. Kind of following both Canon's own higher number is a lower end model and the likes of Olympus (OMD EM10, 5, 1) and Fuji(X-T10 and X-T1). Would nice to see the current M3 model (midrange) become a M5 and then maybe a top of the line with built in EVF, DPAF would beomce the M1.

Like others I laugh at the thought of somewhere in a Canon wearhouse there are millions of 18mp APS-C sensors just looking for a home.

 

[dufflover]

How does this actually compare to the original EOS-M that a lot of us bought (and only would've ever bought lol) at the fire sale prices? Same sensor and AF performance?
And yes they probably have just chucked in an older sensor where there are probably thousands upon thousands of them just sitting around .

 

[SeppOz]

Is anyone aware of any Canon 18mp sensor that supports Hybrid AF III? If not, this may well be a new sensor if 18mp is true. Hopefully some other improvements as well.

 

[Zv]

I guess it's good Canon are creating two lines for the M class. One for entry level and presumably that leaves them another to persue a higher spec body in the future. Perhaps the M4 will be FF or not but at least there are options.

Now this M10 model does seems perplexing at first. The specs seem same as M1 or M2 but it looks like it's got the updated AF of the M3. If I'm honest that is all I ever wanted from the M in the first place. A small mirroless camera that I could chuck in a bag and take to parties to snap a few pics - something a step up from my iPhone. The M1 is so damn slow to AF it is useless for people shots unless they sit absolutely still. This thing could be just the ticket if the price is right.

That new lens looks promising too. I remain optimistic!

 

[hkingman]

Is this the ultimate freelensing machine? So cheap, it's almost disposable, yet sporting a full APS sensor without too much pixel density.

Pair it with either of canon's cheap pancakes, the EF-S 24 or EF-40, plus Canon's awesome $50 EOS-M to EF adapter (6098B002WB). This setup is nice because it fits so well in your hand, plus great lengths for portraits. Don't bother with the 22/2...too small.

Set manual focus and f2.8, go into C.fn and allow shutter release with no lens. Power off, remove lens, power on... enjoy your poor man's tilt-shift...!

Personally, I like the light leak effect, but use a chopped-off neoprene lens case around it if you don't. Darn, my EOS-M1 is at work or I could post a pic or two.

 

[Pompo]

another price of junk that nobody wants...what about serious mirrorless bodies?

 

[drob]

I'm a happy Canon user and recently bought a used, cheap Olympus DSLR to trade in during the Samsung Ditch the DSLR event. Got a NX500 (28 megapixels) mirrorless and let me tell you it's pretty sweet. Yes it does have some limitations but overall it's small and fun to play around with. To get DSLR-like quality in such a small, light, and portable package is priceless. But again, there are draw backs and I'd never give up my 6D. However, if Canon wants in on this market, they have to bring a product that's viable. This lame 18mp afterthought seems like it's destined to sink from the start. They need to bring a product that's innovative and fresh. Same holds for their DSLRs...bring something fresh and innovative instead of just barely one-upping the competition. Canon needs to hire Sigma's boss to light the fire.

 

[Rocky]

Looks like the Chick is being trashed before it is being hatched. The M (all models) has its place. They are not pro cameras. They are not sports camera. They are not super mirrorless. But they got the job done( may be AF speed is not up to some peoples standard). They are small and light. That makes them an excellent travel camera. With the 22mm f2.0,the M1 and M2 are small enough to fit into a loose dress pant or sport coat. That make it a good camera for event that you do not want to bring the DSLR. The picture quality is acceptable at ISO 1600. For the people that keep on trashing the M's, I am wondering how many of them have actually owned or used one.

 

[drob]

Looks like the Chick is being trashed before it is being hatched. The M (all models) has its place. They are not pro cameras. They are not sports camera. They are not super mirrorless. But they got the job done( may be AF speed is not up to some peoples standard). They are small and light. That makes them an excellent travel camera. With the 22mm f2.0,the M1 and M2 are small enough to fit into a loose dress pant or sport coat. That make it a good camera for event that you do not want to bring the DSLR. The picture quality is acceptable at ISO 1600. For the people that keep on trashing the M's, I am wondering how many of them have actually owned or used one.

But who wants "acceptable"? Who wants a half-arse product? IF Canon is going to introduce a mirrorless system, why wouldn't you want it to compete with other mirrorless systems? Why release an afterthought?

 

[Rocky]

Looks like the Chick is being trashed before it is being hatched. The M (all models) has its place. They are not pro cameras. They are not sports camera. They are not super mirrorless. But they got the job done( may be AF speed is not up to some peoples standard). They are small and light. That makes them an excellent travel camera. With the 22mm f2.0,the M1 and M2 are small enough to fit into a loose dress pant or sport coat. That make it a good camera for event that you do not want to bring the DSLR. The picture quality is acceptable at ISO 1600. For the people that keep on trashing the M's, I am wondering how many of them have actually owned or used one.

But who wants "acceptable"? Who wants a half-arse product? IF Canon is going to introduce a mirrorless system, why wouldn't you want it to compete with other mirrorless systems? Why release an afterthought?

SIZE is the key word. If we want the Canon mirrorless to be a super model, wit EVF, tilting screen etc. It will not be pocketatable. I am totally for a super mirrorless from Canon that has everything plus the kitchen sink. But the M's have its place as a pocketable APS-C mirrorless

 

[AvTvM]

Looks like the Chick is being trashed before it is being hatched. The M (all models) has its place. They are not pro cameras. They are not sports camera. They are not super mirrorless. But they got the job done( may be AF speed is not up to some peoples standard). They are small and light. That makes them an excellent travel camera. With the 22mm f2.0,the M1 and M2 are small enough to fit into a loose dress pant or sport coat. That make it a good camera for event that you do not want to bring the DSLR. The picture quality is acceptable at ISO 1600. For the people that keep on trashing the M's, I am wondering how many of them have actually owned or used one.

But who wants "acceptable"? Who wants a half-arse product? IF Canon is going to introduce a mirrorless system, why wouldn't you want it to compete with other mirrorless systems? Why release an afterthought?

+100 Exactly they way I see it.

Btw: i do have the M1 plus all current EF-M lenses plus EF/M adapter for my EF glass. And I am at about 20.000 shutter actuations on that M. It is my outdoor gear - hiking, mountaineering, ski touring, skiing, city trips, walk in the park, and all situations were large cameras are "unwanted or suspicious". For (indoor) events i find it almost useless because AF in poor light is just a pain. Outdoors it is a struggle to see anything on the LCD in bright sunlight/reflections. But it is cheap and small and IQ in good light is fine.

I have been waiting for and would buy a higher end M with EVF and good AF any day. But Canon has judt kept releasing one half-assed M / M2 / M3 after the other. And now an even lower M10. Quite disappointing.

 

[drob]

Looks like the Chick is being trashed before it is being hatched. The M (all models) has its place. They are not pro cameras. They are not sports camera. They are not super mirrorless. But they got the job done( may be AF speed is not up to some peoples standard). They are small and light. That makes them an excellent travel camera. With the 22mm f2.0,the M1 and M2 are small enough to fit into a loose dress pant or sport coat. That make it a good camera for event that you do not want to bring the DSLR. The picture quality is acceptable at ISO 1600. For the people that keep on trashing the M's, I am wondering how many of them have actually owned or used one.

But who wants "acceptable"? Who wants a half-arse product? IF Canon is going to introduce a mirrorless system, why wouldn't you want it to compete with other mirrorless systems? Why release an afterthought?

SIZE is the key word. If we want the Canon mirrorless to be a super model, wit EVF, tilting screen etc. It will not be pocketatable. I am totally for a super mirrorless from Canon that has everything plus the kitchen sink. But the M's have its place as a pocketable APS-C mirrorless

I'm not a big mirrorless guy and have never been tempted by EOS-M (mainly due to it's lackluster features) but after playing around with the Samsung NX500 (originally 799 but now $599 on sale) for a few days I can see that these are pretty feature rich devices. It is not 100% pocketable with the 18-50 lens but with a 20 or 30mm pancake it would be no problem to toss it in a pocket. With the NX500 out there and others with innovative features, why would one even consider 18mp? Seems like a step back. I know we don't have a complete spec list but generally Canon always under-wows us.

 

[waelelgendy]

From my point of view, this is a smart move from Canon, if it will be introduced at a cheap price. Regular P&S market is almost dead, as phone cameras are doing a pretty good job in covering most of the consumers daily needs from a pocket camera. With cameras like the M10 and the G9, Canon is providing this market with attractive pocketable decently priced camera options that are far exceeding phone cameras in terms of image quality and performance, still they're small in size and pocketable. The introduction of the M10 will also give the M3 successor the chance to go a bit up and be competing with cameras like Sony's A6000 for example. To compete with high end APS-C mirrorless cameras, Canon already have the SL1 line. The SL1 is not a mirrorless camera, but I don't think anyone would care about that as long as it's fulfilling their needs, which I see the SL1 line is more than capable of.

With the M10, an upgrade model of the M3, and an upgrade model of the SL1, Canon will be already in a good position in the CSC market.

 

[5D2-shooter]

I want a decent Canon mirrorless as a compact alternative to my 5D2. A few years back I gave up waiting and bought a Panasonic micro 4/3 model that was very cheap. I'm still not tempted to spend serious money on any of the Canon mirrorless launched so far. It's not so much the bodies - the spec of the M3 looks pretty good apart from the inadequate autofocus - it's the lenses. Apart from the 22mm/2 they are hopeless. The zooms are bulky and the new ones only open up as far as f6.3. FFS - I don't want to have to use 800 ISO in reasonable light to get a reasonable exposure and avoid blur of moving subjects. Back in FD days I had a decent quality zoom that opened up to f4. If they can't release zooms that are reasonably compact and open up to f4 or wider let's have some a wider range of primes - preferably no wider than f2 so they are compact.

 

[Takingshots]

A pocketable camera but why not consider a phone. Some phones take good pictures are as good as some of the cameras on the market...

 

[SeppOz]

From my point of view, this is a smart move from Canon, if it will be introduced at a cheap price. Regular P&S market is almost dead, as phone cameras are doing a pretty good job in covering most of the consumers daily needs from a pocket camera. With cameras like the M10 and the G9, Canon is providing this market with attractive pocketable decently priced camera options that are far exceeding phone cameras in terms of image quality and performance, still they're small in size and pocketable. The introduction of the M10 will also give the M3 successor the chance to go a bit up and be competing with cameras like Sony's A6000 for example. To compete with high end APS-C mirrorless cameras, Canon already have the SL1 line. The SL1 is not a mirrorless camera, but I don't think anyone would care about that as long as it's fulfilling their needs, which I see the SL1 line is more than capable of.

With the M10, an upgrade model of the M3, and an upgrade model of the SL1, Canon will be already in a good position in the CSC market.

+1
Canon may well sell a lot of these to those who want something better than a phone, but still compact enough and low cost. Zoom range wider and longer than typical phone, pop up flash, and option of a small tele-zoom. Good way to get entry level customers into ILCs.
Wonder if they keep/restore the 3x centre crop video mode of the M2 that the M3 lacks. Will also be interesting to see how the AF performs given that the M3's version of Hybrid AF III has a few quirks.
Not what I am after (would really like a higher performing model than the M3) with the existing Ms, but makes sense for Canon.

 

[bainsybike]

It doesn't seem to have a hotshoe. That's really too bad.

From the line visible on the top plate right of centre of the image, it looks as though it might have a built-in flash. If the specs are correct it's heavier than the original M, itself a pretty solid piece of kit. A flash might be the reason why.