SONY A99 ii VS Canon 5div

[3kramd5]

Moire for stills shooters is a bit of a "ho hum" issue. For video I *imagine* it's a bigger concern. Are many videocentic people using 5DSR and D800e/D810 and Phase?

not really.

if you're shooting an event and on a tight schedule, do you want to brush all the moire out of every single element of clothing that shows it up?

That's exactly as I'd expect.

 

[3kramd5]

Such a well spec'd camera, but i really wonder why Sony does an A camera with little interest in the A mount.

er.... go visit a sony discussion forum. There is a lot of interest in A-mount. Sony has just been largely AWOL given its push to E-mount.

 

[John2016]

http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/09/20/photokina-2016-the-camera-the-5d-mkiv-should-have-been-sonys-4k-a99-ii-has-everything-in-it-but-the-kitchen-sink-in-it/

"Sony have created the camera that most Canon DSLR video lovers would have died for. If the a99 II had an EF mount the internet would probably have melted by now. As it is, the a99 II deserves more attention because Sony have done exactly what Canon have refused to do. If you want a well built S35 shooting 4K hybrid with S-Log3, audio options and the option to shoot full-frame then the a99 II should be top of your list."

Unfortunately Canon 5d MKIV will still sell more...

 

[3kramd5]

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Moire for stills shooters is a bit of a "ho hum" issue. For video I *imagine* it's a bigger concern. Are many videocentic people using 5DSR and D800e/D810 and Phase?

Might be a better question to ask of the Sony A7RII - that also has no AA filter and does 4K video.

Sure, tack that one on there.

Are there many videocentric people shooting 5DSR and D800e/D810 and Phase and a7r2?

Of the latter, I've only ever seen one in person, and I own it.

 

[RunAndGun]

In my professional life(video), I have cameras from Sony(2 Betacams from the SD days and an F55, now), Panasonic(3 VariCams) and Canon(C300). In the stills world(play) I have five Canons- an EOS-3, 2x 5D II's, a 5D III and a 5D IV. The Sony sounds great on paper, but what the heck are you gonna put in from of it? Every camera is capable of producing good or even great images today, but it's ALL ABOUT THE GLASS. Canon's lens selection is probably what attracted me more than anything to going with them over Nikon when I bought my first DSLR. I loved Canons color even from their P&S's, but at that point it really became about lenses, lenses and lenses.

 

[3kramd5]

The Sony sounds great on paper, but what the heck are you gonna put in from of it?

Basically any full frame or larger lens ever made

 

[Loswr]

The Sony sounds great on paper, but what the heck are you gonna put in from of it?

Basically any full frame or larger lens ever made

On Sony's A-mount? With a flange focal distance longer than Canon EF? Yeah, good luck with that. Let us know how it works out for ya...

 

[d]

The Sony sounds great on paper, but what the heck are you gonna put in from of it?

Basically any full frame or larger lens ever made

On Sony's A-mount? With a flange focal distance longer than Canon EF? Yeah, good luck with that. Let us know how it works out for ya...

3kramd5, you'll need the A-mount universal adaptor (not included in the basic A99II kit):

 

[Refurb7]

Moire for stills shooters is a bit of a "ho hum" issue. For video I *imagine* it's a bigger concern. Are many videocentic people using 5DSR and D800e/D810 and Phase?

not really.

if you're shooting an event and on a tight schedule, do you want to brush all the moire out of every single element of clothing that shows it up?

I shoot events and I don't want to see any moire ever. Moire is not ho hum. Having to brush out moire on a bunch of pics means needless extra work, which means less time, which means less money. And a more tired and annoyed photographer.

 

[Refurb7]

5div killer?

Sony A99 II finally announced by Sony today, the camera features 42 megapixel CMOS sensor same as of Sony A7R II camera. The standard ISO range of the camera is 100-25600, expandable to ISO 50 – 102,400. And it can also record 4K at 100Mbps (using XAVC S) with full sensor read-out and no pixel binning, both stills and video supported by 5 axis image stabilization system. Sony A99 II Hybrid AF system with 399 + 79 AF points. The camera can shoot upto 12frames per second with continuous AF tracking.

http://thenewcamera.com/sony-a99-ii-announced-press-release-full-specification-and-more/

4000$ Canadian - as opposed to 4600$ for the Canon 5d iv............hmmmm did Canon just get blown out of the water?

If someone is interested in a Sony based on those specs alone, why would they bother posting that on a Canon forum? Just buy the camera you want ... no one cares what you buy. No one is getting "blown out of the water". What a dumb, useless phrase that is.

 

[njene]

The Sony sounds great on paper, but what the heck are you gonna put in from of it?

Basically any full frame or larger lens ever made

On Sony's A-mount? With a flange focal distance longer than Canon EF? Yeah, good luck with that. Let us know how it works out for ya...

3kramd5, you'll need the A-mount universal adaptor (not included in the basic A99II kit):

The biggest bonehead comment from 3kramd5, followed by the best picture reply LOL
You sir, just won the interweb...

 

[njene]

5div killer?

Sony A99 II finally announced by Sony today, the camera features 42 megapixel CMOS sensor same as of Sony A7R II camera. The standard ISO range of the camera is 100-25600, expandable to ISO 50 – 102,400. And it can also record 4K at 100Mbps (using XAVC S) with full sensor read-out and no pixel binning, both stills and video supported by 5 axis image stabilization system. Sony A99 II Hybrid AF system with 399 + 79 AF points. The camera can shoot upto 12frames per second with continuous AF tracking.

http://thenewcamera.com/sony-a99-ii-announced-press-release-full-specification-and-more/

4000$ Canadian - as opposed to 4600$ for the Canon 5d iv............hmmmm did Canon just get blown out of the water?

If someone is interested in a Sony based on those specs alone, why would they bother posting that on a Canon forum? Just buy the camera you want ... no one cares what you buy. No one is getting "blown out of the water". What a dumb, useless phrase that is.

For some people $600 means an extra months worth of collecting money back bottles...

 

[Hang]

the camera features 42 megapixel CMOS sensor same as of Sony A7R II camera.

I'm surprised that sensor is capable of 12FPS.

Granted the new architecture should facilitate faster read, but the IMX094 (A7R, D800, D810, Pentax K1) maxes out at 4.7 full frame (per Sony). So it's writing out 17% more and doing it 155% faster. Color me skeptical.

Well if it can do full frame 60p 4K video, then it shouldn't even break a sweat at 12fps.

It does 4K 30p, not 60.

 

[Hang]

...
oh .. and there's no new full frame lenses (outside of AF updates) for what.. the last 4-5 years? the SSM II lenses were just AF updates. no element / glass improvement.
...

According to:

https://www.dpreview.com/products/sony/lenses/sony_16-35_2p8_za_ssm_ii

... both an AF and optical update.

From 2015 there is this from:
https://www.dpreview.com/products/sony/lenses/sony_24-70_2p8_za_ssm_ii

and this from 2013:
https://www.dpreview.com/products/sony/lenses/sony_70-400_4-5p6_gssmii

All these lenses share the same design of the previous versions as shown in Sony's website. Optical updates they claimed may refer to new coatings applied.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sal1635z2

http://www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sal1635z

 

[pokerz]

Wish Canon could buy that BSI FF sensor for future products

 

[privatebydesign]

Wish Canon could buy that BSI FF sensor for future products

Why?

 

[3kramd5]

The Sony sounds great on paper, but what the heck are you gonna put in from of it?

Basically any full frame or larger lens ever made

On Sony's A-mount? With a flange focal distance longer than Canon EF? Yeah, good luck with that. Let us know how it works out for ya...

My bad; given posting order I read it as an immediate reply to my reply to dilbert (i.e. A7R2).

 

[3kramd5]

The Sony sounds great on paper, but what the heck are you gonna put in from of it?

Basically any full frame or larger lens ever made

On Sony's A-mount? With a flange focal distance longer than Canon EF? Yeah, good luck with that. Let us know how it works out for ya...

3kramd5, you'll need the A-mount universal adaptor (not included in the basic A99II kit):

The biggest bonehead comment from 3kramd5, followed by the best picture reply LOL
You sir, just won the interweb...

+1

 

[9VIII]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ns=p_POPULARITY%7c1&ci=274&setNs=p_POPULARITY%7c1&N=4288584247+4108103563+4291220258&srtclk=sort

All of the Sigma Art lenses are on the A mount.
While we know Sony is sharing the E-mount AF algorithm it's hard to say how much they're opening up the A mount, but if they're smart they should get Sigma lenses working as well as possible.

It's interesting that Sigma only released their (stunningly sharp) 30mm f1.4 DN lens on M4/3 and E-mount.
http://www.lenstip.com/477.4-Lens_review-Sigma_C_30_mm_f_1.4_DC_DN_Image_resolution.html

 

[romanr74]

All this funny "neurotransmitter" in this forum running out of any constructive arguments...

As always, the market will decide. Sony fanbois will drool and salivate, DPR will fawn over it, and the 5DIV will outsell it by a huge margin.

Which might tell us that the Canon marketing approach is (currently?, still?) more successfull - which is not the same as the product being superior.