SONY A99 ii VS Canon 5div

[fussy III]

Sony made some excellent Walkmans ;D

And if Canon doesn't get their things together, they soon will best be known for dishwasher-proof coffee mugs.

 

[rrcphoto]

Plus whatever cost savings you make on the body, you would loose on buying 1 lens- never mind multiple lenses. The selection of A mount lenses also isn't a tenth of the Canon range even excluding third party lenses - I noticed the new Sigma's didn't mention Sony compatability.

not to mention that canon takes most of the Zony lineup .. especially the 24-70 and the tele's out back to the woodshed...

 

[dak723]

Seriously? I am looking at that 5d iv and this A99ii looks like the camera everyone wants......it has everything.

What everyone wants?

Hmm...

42 MP - Nope, much prefer keeping things around 20-24 MP. I can already print over 28" with pics form my 6D.
EVF - Nope, prefer the OVF
No AA Filter - Nope, prefer no moire. Can always sharpen Post-Processing if I want.
4K - Nope don't need. If I want video, I will choose Canon due to the fact that they have DPAF.

Not to mention Canon has a better lens lineup.

Sorry, I guess not everyone wants...

 

[fussy III]

I don't really see the advantage of this type camera with the translucent mirror. I suppose the mirror is not moving so its not slowing things down but if its in the way of the sensor its going to also block some of the light. How much? There are some advantages to a mirrorless camera in some situations but this thing? Maybe it has some of the advantages of mirroless and some of a dslr but I don't see it as better than either one.

Make a hot shoe evf for your dslr's canon.

I removed the mirror in my A99 because I was adapting manual 645lenses with a tilt adapter and did not need AF. That measure gained about 0,6 f-stops of light, which I could not afford to waste. But in that fashion, a Sony A99 served only as a sidekick to two other systems (Canon EF and Pentax 645), not as a replacement. This may be different with the A99II: I assume Sony now trusts the ISO-capacities of their current and future sensors enough to believe the loss of 0,6stops of light is eventually fully justified. The benefits: a continous phase-AF, more fps (not limited by mechnics) and the possibility to avoid viewfinder-blackouts (we'll see about that after the A99II has been properly reviewed).

What would be ideal imo is regular phase-AF with slapping-mirror and an optical viewfinder that can be exchanged into an electronic viewfinder as in the new Fujifilm GFX 50S with Dual-Pixel-AF or FUJI-AF, below a flippy as in Canon 80D.

12fps 42megapixel RAW for 2 seconds or 24 consecutive shots as in the A99II is nice. However I'd prefer an optional 8fps for 3 seconds.

"Dream on, Fussy!", some might say.

 

[3kramd5]

I assume Sony now trusts the ISO-capacities of their current and future sensors enough to believe the loss of 0,6stops of light is eventually fully justified.

They may believe that, but it's up to the buyer to decide. I wouldn't put a .6-stop ND on my A7R2 (unless necessary for creative reasons).

 

[ritholtz]

42mp
12FPS
4K video 120FPS
4K full frame
SLOG

...

Camera is using 5K image then downsampling it to 4k with out pixel binning making the image even higher quality then directly recording 1:1 pixel 4k like Canon

The A99II only does 1080P at 120fps, not 4K. Also, I wouldn't be so sure that the downsampled 5K will be better than what the 5D4 is putting out. Northrup's video comparing the 5D4 and A7Rii showed the 5D4 to have better detail than the A7Rii in 4K mode which uses the sample downsampling technique.

It is going to be 2.0X crop for best quality 4k.

 

[fussy III]

I assume Sony now trusts the ISO-capacities of their current and future sensors enough to believe the loss of 0,6stops of light is eventually fully justified.

They may believe that, but it's up to the buyer to decide. I wouldn't put a .6-stop ND on my A7R2 (unless necessary for creative reasons).

Don't get me wrong - I am not advocating here and sceptical myself.

Sorry - have to do this - I just found a better video of the FUJIFILM GFX presentation (Thanks to Matt G.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVWsy0A5-Y

What an achievement! Finally some people bringing photography home again. I would feel stupid to tell these engineers why I am so happy because they already know

 

[deadwrong]

Wow those specs are insane or we are just used to Canon milking the tech, i was planing to upgrade my 5D3 to the 5D4 now i feel like Canon is ripping us off. I was thinking well the 5D4 is close to what other companies are doing but i forget that Canon just caught up to them and now Sony is blowing them out of the water in specs.

42mp
12FPS
4K video 120FPS
4K full frame
SLOG
Clean HDMI

Camera is using 5K image then downsampling it to 4k with out pixel binning making the image even higher quality then directly recording 1:1 pixel 4k like Canon


not going to pay for the garbage Canon is selling maybe by the time 5D5 comes out they will get back to making products like the 5D2, i mean come on how long did it take for Canon to give us in camera intervalometer? something that almost any camera device had for years? and people are still bagging them for Zebras,focus peeking,SLOG,clean HDMI? well here but NO 4K for you because?? well just wait for 5D5 LOL

I agree. Seems like Canon is throttling their customers. I agree with the Lenses that Canon has and that its most powerful asset. Sadly most people that are with one line of cameras or another are pretty much married to that company since the investment in lenses is higher than the shitty body they have to buy to be in a today camera. Within 1-2 years the 5div body will be outgunned badly by competitors. I can only imagine how badly the 6dii will be stripped down in 6 months.

 

[3kramd5]

Wow those specs are insane or we are just used to Canon milking the tech, i was planing to upgrade my 5D3 to the 5D4 now i feel like Canon is ripping us off. I was thinking well the 5D4 is close to what other companies are doing but i forget that Canon just caught up to them and now Sony is blowing them out of the water in specs.

42mp
12FPS
4K video 120FPS
4K full frame
SLOG
Clean HDMI

Camera is using 5K image then downsampling it to 4k with out pixel binning making the image even higher quality then directly recording 1:1 pixel 4k like Canon


not going to pay for the garbage Canon is selling maybe by the time 5D5 comes out they will get back to making products like the 5D2, i mean come on how long did it take for Canon to give us in camera intervalometer? something that almost any camera device had for years? and people are still bagging them for Zebras,focus peeking,SLOG,clean HDMI? well here but NO 4K for you because?? well just wait for 5D5 LOL

I agree. Seems like Canon is throttling their customers. I agree with the Lenses that Canon has and that its most powerful asset. Sadly most people that are with one line of cameras or another are pretty much married to that company since the investment in lenses is higher than the S___ty body they have to buy to be in a today camera. Within 1-2 years the 5div body will be outgunned badly by competitors. I can only imagine how badly the 6dii will be stripped down in 6 months.

Badly outgunned by...

On a percentage basis, how much better than 5d4 photos do you expect a99ii photos to be?

 

[unfocused]

All the angst, trolling and defensiveness is goofy. If you really need or want some feature or features that another brand offers, buy that brand.

No mass market product is going to be perfectly customized for every individual. All brands study the market and try to match their offerings to a targeted audience.

Canon and Nikon dominate the market and suceed by offering products that please a majority of buyers. Other companies must focus on niche products because they can't compete for the majority of the market.

If Canon doesn't make the product you want and someone else does, buy it. But why get upset about it? Even worse, why act like Canon is somehow cheating you personally? Be glad that other companies are offering competitive products, it benefits consumers.

 

[pokerz]

the camera features 42 megapixel CMOS sensor same as of Sony A7R II camera.

I'm surprised that sensor is capable of 12FPS.

Granted the new architecture should facilitate faster read, but the IMX094 (A7R, D800, D810, Pentax K1) maxes out at 4.7 full frame (per Sony). So it's writing out 17% more and doing it 155% faster. Color me skeptical.

There is some text about 12 fps with first image in focus and also no focusing during video with faster aperture. May be some one here educate us this limitations.

5d4 30MP 14bits RAW AFC@7 FPS = 33 photo buffer
A992 42MP 14bits RAW AFC@ 12FPS = 54 photo buffer

not suprising

where u saw the wrong information about 12fps limitation?

 

[deadwrong]

All the angst, trolling and defensiveness is goofy. If you really need or want some feature or features that another brand offers, buy that brand.

No mass market product is going to be perfectly customized for every individual. All brands study the market and try to match their offerings to a targeted audience.

Canon and Nikon dominate the market and suceed by offering products that please a majority of buyers. Other companies must focus on niche products because they can't compete for the majority of the market.

If Canon doesn't make the product you want and someone else does, buy it. But why get upset about it? Even worse, why act like Canon is somehow cheating you personally? Be glad that other companies are offering competitive products, it benefits consumers.

Soon Canon and Nikon will be the niche market if they continue to lag behind.....Thank god for Sony, panasonic, Fuji, Pentax that continue to actually innovate.

 

[Ryananthony]

All the angst, trolling and defensiveness is goofy. If you really need or want some feature or features that another brand offers, buy that brand.

No mass market product is going to be perfectly customized for every individual. All brands study the market and try to match their offerings to a targeted audience.

Canon and Nikon dominate the market and suceed by offering products that please a majority of buyers. Other companies must focus on niche products because they can't compete for the majority of the market.

If Canon doesn't make the product you want and someone else does, buy it. But why get upset about it? Even worse, why act like Canon is somehow cheating you personally? Be glad that other companies are offering competitive products, it benefits consumers.

Because some people are financially invested in a company that doesn't look to be keeping up with the advancements seen in other brands. I understand why people are upset. Telling them to jump to another manufacture isn't the easiest solution for many. With that said, I couldn't be bothered. I don't have the funds or emotions to worry about every new camera release, as fun as it is to read. I'll likely be purchasing another 5d3 as the price falls since it is more then enough camera for most situations.

 

[9VIII]

I have to say, the A99II looks like the most complete package on the market, by a lot...
It's like the A7R2 and 1DX all wrapped into one.

If anything is going to deliver "good" 4K, it's going to be this (there's actually room for cooling), plus being SLT means it has the best AF of any videocamera on the market.
Losing half a stop of light to the AF system was a problem five years ago, probably not so much right now, especially since this is BSI.

Now if only Sony can show us that they can build a reliable camera then they might have something worth bragging about.


I think this was the highlight of the A99 II press conference.
https://youtu.be/HCuCON4jdgY?t=22m45s

Sony definitely had the best presentation at Photokina.

 

[John2016]

All this funny "neurotransmitter" in this forum running out of any constructive arguments...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmfMLeB3lJw
5d mkIV White balance shifts (???)

Is this the FAMOUS "Canomatrix" color?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMcXq1cqo4A

A99II:

Positive:
42MP Full-Frame Exmor R BSI CMOS Sensor
BIONZ X Image Processor & Front-End LSI
Internal UHD 4K Video & S-Log3 Gamma
S&Q Motion in Full HD from 1-120 fps
5-Axis SteadyShot INSIDE Stabilization
Hybrid Phase Detection AF System
0.5″ 2.36M-Dot XGA OLED Tru-Finder EVF
3.0″ 1,228.8k-Dot Tilting LCD Monitor
ISO 102,400 and 12 fps Shooting with AF
Dual SD Card Slots; 14-Bit Raw Output
$3,199

Negative:
A- Mount

"The Legend goes forth" -ah... fantastic...

 

[Bennymiata]

When you've been photographing for over 55 years like I have, you learn to look past the spec sheets.
Look at the photos above.
While the multi-coloured light doesn't make the Canon's colours look fantastic, it's a lot better than looking yellow or completely sunburnt!

I want a camera, with a great system behind it, that works every time and always takes great photos.

I do all sorts of photography from weddings, corporate presentation nights, products, food, BIF, macro, you name it and someone has paid me to photograph it, and Canon is what I've found that can REALLY do it all really well and reliably.

Sure, other companies have advantages in certain areas, but no brand other than Canon is a better all-around camera.
Tens of thousands of pros all over the world seem to agree too!

 

[turtle]

There's no doubt Canon can build a seriously reliable and rounded camera. This is one of the many reasons I bought into the brand some years ago. Still, it would be nice to see them push a little harder and not throttle back models so hard in the hope of protecting others in the camera or cine line.

I think we can feel very pleased that Canon has such a good sensor in the 5D IV (trades low ISO DR for high ISO DR compared to Sony/Nikon) and its a steady camera. However, the specs of the memory card slots appear to be plain cynical, but I wonder.....

I am very aware of Canon's 'slowly slowly catchy monkey' approach, but this does not mean that they could not have given us better value with the 5D IV. IMHO, on face value, it should either have been much cheaper with the same specs, or offered higher specs for the money. We do not have to reduce this to binary choices, which is how these threads seem to go on this forum: 'you're either with Canon or against us'. One can recognise Canon's merits, while delivering reasoned criticism.

Kudos to Sony for offering a spectacular camera for the price (assuming it focuses like an improved A99 Mk I). Well done to Pentax for the K-1. Both brands are aggressively trying to capture market share and so would naturally push much harder on price, but even somewhere in the middle would have been nice from Canon. The 5D IV at the current price point with IBIS, or as it is with a 8.5 fps and a much better combination of buffer/card slots.

But Canon didn't. I still believe Canon also offers by far the best optics for the money. The build is great, serious decentering is uncommon and they always perform. Hell, for all the fancy fast razor sharp lenses being released now, none can produce a portrait with the sensual feel of the 85mm f1.2 L II.

These attributes overall mean I still have a foot in the Canon camp, but its getting more uncomfortable by the day. Canon has released a slew of cameras that felt mildly out of date upon release and well out of date 6 months later and this was not the case with the 5D and 5D II. But what about the future?

I wonder if Canon's R&D investment into their new line of sensors has cost them an absolute fortune and economisation on things like memory card slots have allowed them to balance their books. It would make sense. If this is true, it is very possible they will be able to push much harder with new generations now that they are over the huge hurdle of having to close the gap with Sony sensors. The cost must have been staggering and hitting them behind the scenes, with no dividend, for 5-10 years. The upshot is that this will now mean that the market does not become a one horse Sony race, which is good for everyone.

For those saying there are no recent lenses for the A mount, if you look to Sigma and Tamron you can build a very nice kit from those without touching Sony/Zeiss optics. The bigger question is whether A mount will receive further investment in the years to come.

 

[emko]

Wow those specs are insane or we are just used to Canon milking the tech, i was planing to upgrade my 5D3 to the 5D4 now i feel like Canon is ripping us off. I was thinking well the 5D4 is close to what other companies are doing but i forget that Canon just caught up to them and now Sony is blowing them out of the water in specs.

42mp
12FPS
4K video 120FPS
4K full frame
SLOG
Clean HDMI

Camera is using 5K image then downsampling it to 4k with out pixel binning making the image even higher quality then directly recording 1:1 pixel 4k like Canon


not going to pay for the garbage Canon is selling maybe by the time 5D5 comes out they will get back to making products like the 5D2, i mean come on how long did it take for Canon to give us in camera intervalometer? something that almost any camera device had for years? and people are still bagging them for Zebras,focus peeking,SLOG,clean HDMI? well here but NO 4K for you because?? well just wait for 5D5 LOL

I agree. Seems like Canon is throttling their customers. I agree with the Lenses that Canon has and that its most powerful asset. Sadly most people that are with one line of cameras or another are pretty much married to that company since the investment in lenses is higher than the S___ty body they have to buy to be in a today camera. Within 1-2 years the 5div body will be outgunned badly by competitors. I can only imagine how badly the 6dii will be stripped down in 6 months.

Badly outgunned by...

On a percentage basis, how much better than 5d4 photos do you expect a99ii photos to be?

you miss the point, why buy a 5D4 when products like this come out that actually tries instead of Canons milking us, you don't feel like Canon does not give a crap and just wants to make money without trying. I want the 5DII Canon back, but second they seen how well DSLR video is selling, "good lets just now split that and not add any more features to the 5D line other then the utmost basic video capability".

And this really makes me mad i have a large collection of Canon glass i really l like their glass but now it feels like they are using us. Canon would never give us 12 FPS you have to buy the 1DX for that !! want 4K or video with SLOG well go buy our 1DC

and here comes Sony and other companies give the customer what they want, while we Canon glass users have to keep bagging for features

 

[emko]

There's no doubt Canon can build a seriously reliable and rounded camera. This is one of the many reasons I bought into the brand some years ago. Still, it would be nice to see them push a little harder and not throttle back models so hard in the hope of protecting others in the camera or cine line.

I think we can feel very pleased that Canon has such a good sensor in the 5D IV (trades low ISO DR for high ISO DR compared to Sony/Nikon) and its a steady camera. However, the specs of the memory card slots is plain cynical and indicative of the thought processes going on at Canon HQ.

I am very aware of Canon's 'slowly slowly catchy monkey' approach, but this does not mean that they could not have given us better value with the 5D IV. IMHO, it should either have been much cheaper with the same specs, or offered higher specs for the money.

Kudos to Sony for offering a spectacular camera for the price (assuming it focuses like an improved A99 Mk I). Well done to Pentax for the K-1. Both brands are aggressively trying to capture market share and so would naturally push much harder on price, but even someone in the middle would have been nice from Canon. The 5D IV at the current price point with IBIS, or as it is with a 8.5 fps and a much better combination of buffer/card slots.

But Canon didn't. I still believe Canon also offers by far the best optics for the money. The build is great, serious decentering is uncommon and they always perform. Hell, for all the fancy fast razor sharp lenses being released now, none can produce a portrait with the sensual feel of the 85mm f1.2 L II.

These attributes overall mean I still have a foot in the Canon camp, but its getting more uncomfortable by the day. Canon has released a slew of cameras that felt mildly out of date upon release and well out of date 6 months later and this was not the case with the 5D and 5D II. But what about the future?

I wonder if Canon's R&D investment into their new line of sensors has cost them an absolute fortune and economisation on things like memory card slots have allowed them to balance their books. It would make sense. If this is true, it is very possible they will be able to push much harder with new generations now that they are over the huge hurdle of having to close the gap with Sony sensors. The cost must have been staggering and hitting them behind the scenes for 5-10 years. The upshot is that this will now mean that the market does not become a one horse Sony race, which is good for everyone.

I

i really hope that's true, maybe they will wake up but for me i will stick to the 5D3 for now this Sony A99 is amazing but has nothing to Canons glass for now.

 

[quod]

When you've been photographing for over 55 years like I have, you learn to look past the spec sheets.
Look at the photos above.
While the multi-coloured light doesn't make the Canon's colours look fantastic, it's a lot better than looking yellow or completely sunburnt!

If you shoot in RAW, you can adjust the color balance with no problems. Also, with all of that experience, surely you are capable of adjusting your white balance in the camera. That said, the coloring above looks weird. If anything, my A7RII tends to a slightly green cast. Again, easily fixed.

I want a camera, with a great system behind it, that works every time and always takes great photos.

You're channeling your inner-Neuro. Don't go down that path because it is a failed argument. I shoot all of my Canon glass on my A7RII with zippy AF and very few issues. 500/4 II? Check. 400/5.6? Check. 100-400 II? Check. 70-200/2.8 II? Check. 24-70/2.8 II? Check. 16-35/4? Check. Birds in flight, too. On top of that, I have a sweet Zeiss ZM/Voigtlander prime kit that I cannot shoot on my 5DIII or 7DII cameras. Tiny and freaking awesome.

I do all sorts of photography from weddings, corporate presentation nights, products, food, BIF, macro, you name it and someone has paid me to photograph it, and Canon is what I've found that can REALLY do it all really well and reliably.

Sure, other companies have advantages in certain areas, but no brand other than Canon is a better all-around camera.

I would agree with your points. I think Canon is about as reliable as you can get. I have both systems (Fuji too) and my money is on Canon for reliability and consistency. That said, the image quality out of the Sony 42MP sensor absolutely smokes Canon's offerings. The images have substantially more dynamic range, clean shadow lifting, and they are much sharper out of camera. The problem is that Sony's offerings are not as mature as Canon. I liken Canon to a Toyota Camry. It's a little boring, but it's reliable.

Tens of thousands of pros all over the world seem to agree too!

This is a fallacious argument.

Two last points. Some people are under the perception that Canon is greedy. All companies are greedy. Fuji is greedy. Sony is super greedy. Sony's cameras, and now their lenses, are very good, but they are premium priced and as far as I can tell, Sony does not lower their prices over time like Canon does. There is no perfect company behind the gear. All companies produce gear that will take superlative photos. Just pick the cameras and lenses that work for you and the type of shooting that you do and have fun.

Also, don't listen to people on these boards who tell you that Canon makes the best glass. It makes great glass, but not necessarily the best. My Zeiss ZE, ZM, and C/Y lenses have so much microcontrast pop missing from pretty much every Canon lens I have shot except perhaps the 16-35/4.