The Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Specifications?

[Eldar]

Personally, I really find only the full AF at f/8 to be a tempting feature, and given that I only rarely use an f/8 combo the upgrade isn't sounding worthwhile for me.

Looking back, I would clearly agree with that. Currently I only use the 1.4xIII extender with my 600mm. However, if I had full AF functionality at f8, I would use the 2xIII a lot more, provided the tracking is acceptable. So, the more I think about this, the more tempting it gets.

The next important thing is high ISO noise and DR performance. To justify the expense, I would like to see some improvements here. And, considering the time that has past since the 1DX was released, I am pretty confident we will see that.

 

[Loswr]

• 1 extra EV of AF sensitivity (usually spec'd for center piint only)

Wouldn't you think that if all points can handle F/8 autofocus, which was normally center-point only as well, that all 61 points should handle -3EV?

We'll see. But across all cameras from Rebels to the 1-series, Canon has typically specified the AF sensitivity as applying to the center AF point with a 50mm f/1.4 lens. The f/8 AF on the 1D X is 5 points (center and 4 expansion points) although only the center is selectable.

Plus, as I've previously pointed out, an example -3 EV is 1/15 s, f2.8, ISO 102400. Pretty extreme low light.

 

[unfocused]

Let's wait until Monday/tuesday and see...

Honestly, if I were in Canon's marketing department, I would purposely leak a "weak" spec list, and then WOW everyone once the real thing comes out with better specs ;D

Canon's tradition is to under-promise on spec lists and then over-perform when the product actually hits the market. Almost every time they have a major release, the forums light up with spec list experts who go through the list and conclude that the Canon product is weaker than the Nikon equivalent. But, once the cameras hit the streets, actual users find the Canon delivers way above the quoted spec list.

I expect it will be the same with this.

 

[rrcphoto]

whoa.. wait..

"Camera digital lens Optimizer (DLO).
Lens aberration correction.
Diffraction correction"

In camera?
DLO in camera would actually be freaking nice.

wow .. the WHINE is hard in this thread.. seriously .. is it all about spec trumping Nikon? really?

I think current Rebels do with JPEG's. Rebels are the only ones apply these corrections to video as well.

no.
DLO does 18 or optical and systematic image corrections including AA, apeture deconvolution.

that now only exists in DPP.

having automatic corrections in place for when you are using teleconvertors could be quite amazing.

also there is hinting that there is a marrying of DPAF and PDAF (there was a patent about that).. that itself would be quite good too.

 

[gsealy]

Why is CFast 2.0 a necessity for 4K? Shouldn't a CF with adequate speeds (1066x Lexar) be able to handle it? I wonder if inclusion of CFast 2.0 is an indicator that there's a serious codec on board.

Just using Magic Lantern to get some metrics -- Using ML the 5DIII can write HD Raw at 24 FPS just barely on a 1066x Lexar card. Yes, there is some wiggle room, but not much. Now for 4K we are talking 4 times the resolution at more than double the frame rate, but then probably only 10 bit. Okay, the 1DxII should internally be able to write faster than the 5DIII, but the increased amount of data needed to store is much greater. I am thinking this pushes it into the CFast 2 realm.

 

[zim]

Let's wait until Monday/tuesday and see...

Honestly, if I were in Canon's marketing department, I would purposely leak a "weak" spec list, and then WOW everyone once the real thing comes out with better specs ;D

Canon's tradition is to under-promise on spec lists and then over-perform when the product actually hits the market. Almost every time they have a major release, the forums light up with spec list experts who go through the list and conclude that the Canon product is weaker than the Nikon equivalent. But, once the cameras hit the streets, actual users find the Canon delivers way above the quoted spec list.

I expect it will be the same with this.

Absolutely no doubt about that and then we have to go through the usual round of below average example shots being released causing all sorts of consternation.
This just simply looks like a really solid pro camera staying true to it's purpose.

 

[Loswr]

we have to go through the usual round of...

Whining on CR forums about how terrible and uninnovative this camera is, and how Canon is doomed.

In fact, it's already well underway! :

 

[erjlphoto]

Not in my league, have a 6D, but gosh I hope the DR at least comes close to Sony.
Can't stand all the noise about Sony's DR on DPR.

 

[CG photography]

Let's wait until Monday/tuesday and see...

Honestly, if I were in Canon's marketing department, I would purposely leak a "weak" spec list, and then WOW everyone once the real thing comes out with better specs ;D

Canon's tradition is to under-promise on spec lists and then over-perform when the product actually hits the market. Almost every time they have a major release, the forums light up with spec list experts who go through the list and conclude that the Canon product is weaker than the Nikon equivalent. But, once the cameras hit the streets, actual users find the Canon delivers way above the quoted spec list.

I expect it will be the same with this.

Now I like my Canon gear, but I'm not sure I fully agree with this. I am still irritated about the 5d3 release when they claimed a 1 stop improvement in dynamic range over the 5d2. The camera was out a full month before independent testing forced them to grudgingly admit it was only the in camera jpgs that had any improvement.
The c300 (I don't track these studies as closely) claim of 15 stops of dynamic range seems at least "very optimistic" depending who is measuring.

I hope this is not another similar scenario.

 

[Don Haines]

we have to go through the usual round of...

Whining on CR forums about how terrible and uninnovative this camera is, and how Canon is doomed.

In fact, it's already well underway! :

If it shot 50 megapixels at 120FPS and went up to ISO 16 bazillion with 24 stops of DR, it won't be enough.... and DXO will rate it as worse than every Sony or Nikon camera ever built......

and to be serious here, what would DXO do if it really did have more DR than Sony?

 

[R1-7D]

Let's wait until Monday/tuesday and see...

Honestly, if I were in Canon's marketing department, I would purposely leak a "weak" spec list, and then WOW everyone once the real thing comes out with better specs ;D

Canon's tradition is to under-promise on spec lists and then over-perform when the product actually hits the market. Almost every time they have a major release, the forums light up with spec list experts who go through the list and conclude that the Canon product is weaker than the Nikon equivalent. But, once the cameras hit the streets, actual users find the Canon delivers way above the quoted spec list.

I expect it will be the same with this.

Now I like my Canon gear, but I'm not sure I fully agree with this. I am still irritated about the 5d3 release when they claimed a 1 stop improvement in dynamic range over the 5d2. The camera was out a full month before independent testing forced them to grudgingly admit it was only the in camera jpgs that had any improvement.
The c300 (I don't track these studies as closely) claim of 15 stops of dynamic range seems at least "very optimistic" depending who is measuring.

I hope this is not another similar scenario.

Are you kidding? The 5D3 RAW files were much better in terms of noise, and especially banding, than the 5D2. I would never shoot over 3200 ISO with the 5D2. I could still clean the 5D3 files up nicely at 6400 ISO.

 

[Luds34]

Im pissed bc Im gonna have to buy this camera just bc it has DPAF for video. I have a 1Dx but now I'll be paying 6 grand just so my video will auto focus.

I bet when I buy it I'll take a pic at ISO 3200 with my 1Dx and then at ISO 3200 with the mark II and it will look like I used the same damn camera!!!

I had a similar thought at first, but now am not so sure. I shoot both stills and video, but if these are the real specs I may hold onto my 1DX for my sports work and possibly buy a 1DC (problem with that is I don't want to buy new lenses/weight for two camera shoots), XF305, Sony F5 or something else which would be used primarily for video when I need auto focus.

Anyway am not getting excited or upset yet, will wait until Canon's official announcement and then another 6 months after it comes out to see if there are any issues.

excuse my ignorance in the video world, but couldn't you save a butt-ton of cash and just pick up a 70D and toss ML on it?

 

[joejohnbear]

Im pissed bc Im gonna have to buy this camera just bc it has DPAF for video. I have a 1Dx but now I'll be paying 6 grand just so my video will auto focus.

I bet when I buy it I'll take a pic at ISO 3200 with my 1Dx and then at ISO 3200 with the mark II and it will look like I used the same damn camera!!!

I had a similar thought at first, but now am not so sure. I shoot both stills and video, but if these are the real specs I may hold onto my 1DX for my sports work and possibly buy a 1DC (problem with that is I don't want to buy new lenses/weight for two camera shoots), XF305, Sony F5 or something else which would be used primarily for video when I need auto focus.

Anyway am not getting excited or upset yet, will wait until Canon's official announcement and then another 6 months after it comes out to see if there are any issues.

excuse my ignorance in the video world, but couldn't you save a butt-ton of cash and just pick up a 70D and toss ML on it?

You are excused for your ignorance.
ML raw on the 5D3 is softer than the C100 compressed codec. Also, workflow is terrible with ML DSLR's. I'd get the C100/300II or 1DXII if these specs are true. Not sure why you'd want the 1DC for more money.

Also for the prior two nested posters, I'm not sure how 120 fps 1080p, 60 fps 4k is not a significant upgrade in addition to Dual Pixel AF which is also supposedly better than other AF implementations for video.

 

[gunship01]

This camera IMO, does not demonstrate the "Wow" factor I would have expected from the update to the top-of-the-line model. At this rate, I will be glad when it hits, as I expect 40% of the tech-savvy folks with 1DX's will make the jump and the prices of the in-stock 1DX Mark 1 will lower even more, inches towards the $3500 mark. From the satisfaction expressed by current 1DX owners in these forums, I'll be looking at a real good deal on a new Mark 1 in the coming weeks.

 

[Ozarker]

This camera IMO, does not demonstrate the "Wow" factor I would have expected from the update to the top-of-the-line model. At this rate, I will be glad when it hits, as I expect 40% of the tech-savvy folks with 1DX's will make the jump and the prices of the in-stock 1DX Mark 1 will lower even more, inches towards the $3500 mark. From the satisfaction expressed by current 1DX owners in these forums, I'll be looking at a real good deal on a new Mark 1 in the coming weeks.

+1 on the good deal. You are very astute and seem to have your finger squarely on the pulse of all the 1DX owners out there. I'm just wondering what you pulled that 40% number out of. Yuck!

 

[RVB]

I checked this site every single day for 2 years.....2 YEARS!!!!! FOR THIS!!!!!!

Im pissed bc Im gonna have to buy this camera just bc it has DPAF for video. I have a 1Dx but now I'll be paying 6 grand just so my video will auto focus.

I bet when I buy it I'll take a pic at ISO 3200 with my 1Dx and then at ISO 3200 with the mark II and it will look like I used the same damn camera!!!

I guess Canon is calling Sony's bluff that they wont release a camera to compete with this 1 bc if they do it will take Canon 2 generations to catch up. I broke down and stuck with canon and bought the 5DsR over the A7R2 bc I was expecting an answer from Canon to their competition with the 1Dx mk2. Their answer was.....We Canon will continue to milk every penny out of our customers who have too much invested in Canon glass to switch.

In 12-24 months Sony will release a sports/event camera that will take Canon 2 Generations to catch up to....mark my words. For some of us this will be the last Canon camera we buy.....for others....they have already bought their last.

I hope those specs do not speak for the true ISO noise and Dynamic range improvement. If they do this is a HUGE let down. The fact that the price is CHEAPER than the 1Dx launch price also is a red flag.



This is a 1Dx with a FIRMWARE UPDATE!!!!!! 1Dx mk1.5

The D5 sensor will be two years ahead of the 1dx mk2 sensor,in the end I sold out of Canon and traded my 1DX in for a D4s.

They system is good and lenses selection is very good but I had enough of their dirty files!

 

[PureClassA]

Let's wait until Monday/tuesday and see...

Honestly, if I were in Canon's marketing department, I would purposely leak a "weak" spec list, and then WOW everyone once the real thing comes out with better specs ;D

Canon's tradition is to under-promise on spec lists and then over-perform when the product actually hits the market. Almost every time they have a major release, the forums light up with spec list experts who go through the list and conclude that the Canon product is weaker than the Nikon equivalent. But, once the cameras hit the streets, actual users find the Canon delivers way above the quoted spec list.

I expect it will be the same with this.

Agreed whole heartedly

 

[PureClassA]

excuse my ignorance in the video world, but couldn't you save a butt-ton of cash and just pick up a 70D and toss ML on it?

Apart from what was previously mentioned about the extremely umbersome workflow of ML and RAW files... The 70D is still a Crop sensor. Nothing can create subject isolation and bokeh in a DSLR like a FF sensor can. And if shooting cinematic, filmic looks is your thing, then crops just wont fit the bill like FF does. Not to mention the higher quality high ISOs you can achieve. We also don't know what sort of codec the DX2 will use. But no matter what ML tweaks you employ, a FF DPAF sensor is going to win every contest except perhaps for really long telephoto shots where the extra reach could help.

 

[stoneysnapper]

Only thing thats not mentioned which is going to make me upgrade my 1Dx to the ii is if the Oil Splatter issue is sorted. I don't expect that to be mentioned obviously but the spec list/improvements leaves me a but underwhelmed to be honest. Have they added, changed or moved a single button? Surely there's always room for some improvement in ergonomics?

 

[wockawocka]

The 1DX Mk1 is still better or equal to the D5.

Honestly it's pretty much the perfect camera so how people can expect a swathe of improvements to something that's already at it's limits anyway is a bit odd.

For me it's the sensor. What is the sensor read out like.