The Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Specifications?

[PureClassA]

If the points are all active at F8 and (hopefully) spread out more along the frame, what's to complain about? Sounds pretty great to me...

I wasn't complaining. At all. My initial reaction is merely that the rumored specs seem suspect to me. They may turn out to be 100% correct. Who knows.

 

[PureClassA]

I just read the D5 specs again and they are basically the same camera on paper with some minor differences........

Video - I don't know enough about it but is seems like Canon will have a little better video capabilities but I am not a video guy so I don't really care.

DPAF - Does the D5 have AF in video mode? If not I can't see why this won't be a huge Canon advantage.

To me the difference in video specs is gigantic, and I'm not in to video at all, the D5 is absolutely crippled in 4k whereas the 1DX MkII is rumoured to shoot 60fps in 4k. I was hoping for a drop dead photographers tool (against my better judgement) however I believe what we have is the logical successor to the 1DX, I think it will beat it's predecessor in every metric and the combined total of those seemingly modest (apart from the video) upgrades will win over anybody that uses the 1DX regularly.

The video specs (IF accurate) are very appealing. All that's missing now is to find out how good of Codec the camera delivers internally. C-Log would be a very welcomed surprise. I'm a potential buyer of this camera for certain for the rapid fire stills work, but having a really serious video portion as well could even further justify the purchase (instead of renting like I do now). As far the D5, there's nothing there to entice me. The DPAF full time AF in video alone is enough to destroy the D5 video specs.

 

[PureClassA]

Interesting how everyone including me rationalizes away unrealistic expectations. For birds, I just wish I'd be getting a few more MPs for cropping. However, I'm coming from a 1D IV that didn't quite equal my 6D IQ to beyond a 1DX that, from viewing my friends 1DX shots equaled/slightly bettered it.

Bottom line, when the dust settles I'm expecting I'll be purchasing and not regretting it relative to 6D IQ. Wishing I had the 6D in hand when using the 1D IV for a still shot was disconcerting.

Jack

Then I wager you'll be real happy with the DX2 if you like your 6D now. Same 20.2MP sensor size but an all new design plus DPAF. I really like my 6D sensor IQ. Better than the 5D3 in certain cases. With all the improvements now, it will be even that much better on the DX2.

 

[PureClassA]

CFast is not required for 4K (most 4K cameras use SD cards), but high bit rate codecs do require fast cards.

Which is why I was a little miffed about CFast 2.0 initially. I didn't expect Canon to lay in enough solid 4K features in this camera to really warrant it. But after the last few days of rumors, I'm starting to see why it's there now. 60p 4k in even a bad codec will sling serious data. I really hope it's a more beefed up than the half-hearted codecs they use in DSLRs now.

 

[Famateur]

If the points are all active at F8 and (hopefully) spread out more along the frame, what's to complain about? Sounds pretty great to me...

I wasn't complaining. At all. My initial reaction is merely that the rumored specs seem suspect to me. They may turn out to be 100% correct. Who knows.

Gotcha (and, for the record, you've never come across as a complainer on this forum ). Probably a poor choice of words on my part. Maybe, "Sounds great to me," would have been better.

I agree that it seems a little strange for the flagship, after several years of development, to not have an obvious fork-lift upgrade to the number and distribution of points in the AF system.

It might turn out to be a fork-lift upgrade after all, even with the same number of points, if they really are all F8, spread out to cover significantly more of the frame and with tracking that is even farther ahead of where it is now.

Can't wait for the official release!

 

[pedro]

Having looked at the 1DX2 specs over at NL it says:
Dual DIGIC6 + processor
ISO100-51200 (extended with 409600)
I can imagine that a faster processor and on chip A/D on a new sensor will enhance IQ at ISO 51k quite a bit.
As I do not know how many times a PJ is forced to shoot at these ISOs, I have no idea how IQ looks at the moment in the 1DX. But I think, Canon better deliever solid ISO 51k instead of a zillion ISOs as noisy as an old B-52

Here's a beta D5 field test (maybe you read it already) where the photographer gets to the verdict:

For low resolution usage, magazines and newspapers I find images exposed up to ISO 51200 usable, with still not much noise in the shadows or colors. At ISO 102 400 the color noise starts to be too disturbing in my opinion, but with some noise reduction plugin / software this can be fixed (to some point). Above ISO 51 200 – 102 400 the noise is visible with reduced color quality, sharpness and the overall image quality and I’m not uploading any images at higher ISO value than 102 400. At maximum ISO H5 (= ISO 3 280 000) the image quality is poor, but at least you can see (with a lot of color noise) what you have been shooting.
http://oleliodden.com/photo-gear/field-reviews/beta-test-report-nikon-d5/

 

[PureClassA]

Having looked at the 1DX2 specs over at NL it says:
Dual DIGIC6 + processor
ISO100-51200 (extended with 409600)
I can imagine that a faster processor and on chip A/D on a new sensor will enhance IQ at ISO 51k quite a bit.
As I do not know how many times a PJ is forced to shoot at these ISOs, I have no idea how IQ looks at the moment in the 1DX. But I think, Canon better deliever solid ISO 51k instead of a zillion ISOs as noisy as an old B-52

Here's a beta D5 field test (maybe you read it already) where the photographer gets to the verdict:

For low resolution usage, magazines and newspapers I find images exposed up to ISO 51200 usable, with still not much noise in the shadows or colors. At ISO 102 400 the color noise starts to be too disturbing in my opinion, but with some noise reduction plugin / software this can be fixed (to some point). Above ISO 51 200 – 102 400 the noise is visible with reduced color quality, sharpness and the overall image quality and I’m not uploading any images at higher ISO value than 102 400. At maximum ISO H5 (= ISO 3 280 000) the image quality is poor, but at least you can see (with a lot of color noise) what you have been shooting.
http://oleliodden.com/photo-gear/field-reviews/beta-test-report-nikon-d5/

Yes, apparently Nikon has discovered a market for a really noisy $6700 night vision camera I can use at my deer stand.

 

[applecider]

PureclassA the Nikon 52k and 102k images were pretty decent, to my eye if canon meets or exceeds this high iso quality the 1DX would be a tempting choice. It's got to be able to focus at those light levels though.

Anticipation is fun. As a US dollar consumer here's hoping for a release before the dollar loses its' strength. There are many really tempting prices right now.

 

[Orangutan]

Japan just went negative interest rates -- does that mean Canon will pay us to take gear off their hands?

PureclassA the Nikon 52k and 102k images were pretty decent, to my eye if canon meets or exceeds this high iso quality the 1DX would be a tempting choice. It's got to be able to focus at those light levels though.

Anticipation is fun. As a US dollar consumer here's hoping for a release before the dollar loses its' strength. There are many really tempting prices right now.

 

[PureClassA]

PureclassA the Nikon 52k and 102k images were pretty decent, to my eye if canon meets or exceeds this high iso quality the 1DX would be a tempting choice. It's got to be able to focus at those light levels though.

Anticipation is fun. As a US dollar consumer here's hoping for a release before the dollar loses its' strength. There are many really tempting prices right now.

I'll clarify. I was referring to their ISO High modes. Particularly the 7 figure ISOs. They slapped them on there for bragging rights I suppose, because the stuff at 1,000,000 + ISO looks like 20MP of noise. The only thing it's useful for is night surveillance during hunting season. It's not going to produce an image I can realistically expect to sell. I expect that any camera like this should have ISO up to 51k that is at least decently usable in a pinch. That being said, even in my challenging lighting conditions, I've kept the 1DX at 6400. 12800 aint too bad (for what it is) but if Canon can make 12800 look like 6400, then my options for maintaining good balance between IQ and shutter speed needs gets a whole lot easier.

 

[Don Haines]

Here we are..... The first leaked images of the 1DX2!

 

[Loswr]

Where's the cat? ???

 

[Don Haines]

Where's the cat? ???

In the box......

 

[PureClassA]

Here we are..... The first leaked images of the 1DX2!

I'm rather disappointed that they didn't upgrade the bellows

 

[Mr Bean]

I see Canon went with the leather and woodgrain finish, rather than the "industrial" look

 

[Diltiazem]

Waiting for some sample images. Tension. Tension.

 

[Hill Benson]

Waiting for some sample images. Tension. Tension.

For me it will be the most interesting part. I'm not so fussed about the maximum ISO available (I think I have only shot at 12800 at most on my 5DMkIII), but more so the ISO performance up to 12800. If that is anywhere near twice as good as the previous model I would be impressed (assuming that it will be a similar jump for the 5DMkIV also).

 

[abbebus]

That d****d thing on top of the pentaprism makes the camera look terribly ugly. Since the EOS-1 (analog) I've always liked the design of Canons top-of-the line cameras, a not so unimportant factor for creative people like photographers.

I really can't believe it, there must be a more clever and estethic way to put a GPS-antenna into a body that large. Are these fake images???

I use a 5D mk III myself, if they put that thing on top of the 5D mk IV too, I promise you I won't upgrade.

 

[privatebydesign]

That d****d thing on top of the pentaprism makes the camera look terribly ugly. Since the EOS-1 (analog) I've always liked the design of Canons top-of-the line cameras, a not so unimportant factor for creative people like photographers.

I really can't believe it, there must be a more clever and estethic way to put a GPS-antenna into a body that large. Are these fake images???

I use a 5D mk III myself, if they put that thing on top of the 5D mk IV too, I promise you I won't upgrade.

Clearly you are not familiar with the 1DS MkIII, it has been out for quite a while now :

 

[abbebus]

That d****d thing on top of the pentaprism makes the camera look terribly ugly. Since the EOS-1 (analog) I've always liked the design of Canons top-of-the line cameras, a not so unimportant factor for creative people like photographers.

I really can't believe it, there must be a more clever and estethic way to put a GPS-antenna into a body that large. Are these fake images???

I use a 5D mk III myself, if they put that thing on top of the 5D mk IV too, I promise you I won't upgrade.

Clearly you are not familiar with the 1DS MkIII, it has been out for quite a while now :

No, I didn't know 1DS mk III had a similar design of the housing for the pentaprism. Although not really as bad looking as the new 1DX mk II. :-\